16 minutes ago, evissy said:

If we bought 28 yr old players then no. We bought mainly young potential players. KK and Fofana are the only players you could make a case they should be in their stride already. Fofana's been injured most of his Chelsea career.

 

 

 

What about Sterling? or Cucurella? or Aubameyang? Joao Felix?

Honestly I know you dont mean to, but you sound patronising to teams that actually have a smaller budget, and their goal is to survive in the league.

We have a squad full of internationals, and Champions league winners, world cup winners. 

Mudryk and Madueke are young and raw, Enzo and Fofana are inexperienced too. 

Still plenty in this squad to finish above 17th in the league. Not sure how you can legitimately believe that 17th is an acceptable season. 

 

51 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

 

Glad at least Vivell sees sense. Amorim is an underrated option to be fair

Frank would be literally making an identical gamble, would be moronic to do it again.

If we're going to make another huge gamble I'd rather to do it on someone like Crespo. Already won two trophies as a manager and in a good position for a third. Atleast we won't have to worry about him having to adapt mentality wise.

f**k sake, the forum was stuttering for me and lots of new posts came, I thought Potter got the sack, turns out it was just my sh*tty connection causing the web page to freeze... 

Excited for nothing. 

1 hour ago, Drogba1 said:

If he's still here I'm just assumin we can't afford to sack him right now, that's the only logical explanation at this point

This is it, no backup funding in case of this scenario where we can fire, pay off and hire again (this should always be provisioned). I am sure we would breach FFP due to our expenditure, not to mention the utterly shambolic 5 year deal at £12m a year for a completely incompetent manager.
 

Lets be honest, if it was £6m a year on a 3 year deal he would already be gone. We all know it 

I hope Ruben Amorim is not coming. He is not in my opinnion right person for Chelsea.

I wonder if as an experiment we could repurpose him to the women’s team (appreciate it would be likely unfair on them) and put Emma in charge of the men’s team?

Just to see what happens? As we probably can’t afford to sack him? 

30 minutes ago, SimonH said:

This is it, no backup funding in case of this scenario where we can fire, pay off and hire again (this should always be provisioned). I am sure we would breach FFP due to our expenditure, not to mention the utterly shambolic 5 year deal at £12m a year for a completely incompetent manager.
 

Lets be honest, if it was £6m a year on a 3 year deal he would already be gone. We all know it 

The problem is that if Potter was a decent manager, with this squad he would be right up there challenging for the top 4 just like all previous managers have done in the recent years and that alone would make the club earn money as everyone knows playing CL is the best possible thing that can happen for a club.

The longer he's here, the more club loses money, it's that simple.

7 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

The problem is that if Potter was a decent manager, with this squad he would be right up there challenging for the top 4 just like all previous managers have done in the recent years and that alone would make the club earn money as everyone knows playing CL is the best possible thing that can happen for a club.

The longer he's here, the more club loses money, it's that simple.

The board have probably already given up on top 4 this season

Honestly haven't ever disliked a Chelsea manager as much as Potter. The excuses, the constant media protection of him, the fact that he's still here despite relegation form, can't stand him.

I suspected like an others have said and I mentioned it before months ago there is no way there isn’t a clause in his contract to sack him cheaply.

If he is putting players on performance based contracts do you honestly think the manager isn’t on a performance based contract??

I want Potter out asap, but to replace him with Thomas Frank or one of the Portuguese guys would mean absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things and we'll find ourselves in the exact same situation we are now come November or December.

This is a squad full of talent and big egos, needs a top dog in charge, a manager that the second he puts foot at Cobham everybody knows he is the boss because he oozes class. Zidane, Joachim Low, Flick, Enrique and some others, this are the kind of managers we should look into.

What’s Rafa up to?

7 minutes ago, El regreso said:

I suspected like an others have said and I mentioned it before months ago there is no way there isn’t a clause in his contract to sack him cheaply.

If he is putting players on performance based contracts do you honestly think the manager isn’t on a performance based contract??

I think that's a logical assumption 

But if Boehly was logical when we were hiring a new manager Potter wouldn't have been on a 20 man shortlist.

The whole process of bringing in Potter immediately on massive money as soon as the window closed before a director of football was even in place was just rotten.

So while there may be performance clauses it wouldn't surprise me it they're massive bonuses if Potter gets us 4th rather than penalising his failure.

There’s no point in sacking him after the Dortmund game. It’s either sack him now or let him go in the summer when presumably it will be cheaper due to contract clauses. 

7 hours ago, Jezz said:

Posted this earlier but I'll do it again and expand on it.

First 26 games in all competitions

• Klopp (Liverpool) = 12 wins, 8 draws, 6 losses (44 points)
• Arteta (Arsenal) = 14 wins, 6 draws, 6 losses (48 points)
• Potter (Chelsea) = 9 wins, 7 draws, 10 losses (34 points)

Klopp's first 26 games included a 4-match winning streak from games 8-11, and his worst run was no wins in 4 games from games 12-15. After his 26th game, Liverpool had won 5 of their last 15 matches in all competitions. Within those first 26 games, 15 of those were PL games. Klopp's PL record at this point was 6 wins, 4 draws, 5 losses (22 points in 15 games).

Arteta's first 26 games included a 4-match winning streak from games 18-21, and his worst run was no wins in 3 from games 5-7. After his 26th game, Arsenal had won 9 of their last 15 matches in all competitions. Within those first 26 games, 19 of those were PL games. Arteta's PL record at this point was 8 wins, 6 draws, 5 losses (30 points in 19 games).

Potter's first 26 games included a 5-match winning streak from games 2-6, and his worst run is no wins in 6 from games 21-26. Chelsea have won 2 of their last 15 matches in all competitions. Within those first 26 games, 18 of those are PL games. Potter's PL record at this point is 5 wins, 6 draws, 7 losses (21 points in 18 games).

Unfortunately for Potter, he's not reaching the same heights statistically as Klopp and Arteta were at the same point of their tenures.

Did Arteta or Klopp take over a club midseason? when the transfer window had already been closed? a club that had just been sold to new owners? a club that had no sporting or technical directors at the time? that had a whole new senior boardroom? that had just finished being sanctioned? Did their respective teams then go out and buy 8 new players under 23 and expect those players to gel immediately into a new team?

Potter did....

And regardless of whether or not Potter is the right manager for us (or not) -  if the answer is not yes to all the above, then the comparisons are irrelevant.

Edited February 27, 20233 yr by nonotnowjim

15 minutes ago, JM7 said:

There’s no point in sacking him after the Dortmund game. It’s either sack him now or let him go in the summer when presumably it will be cheaper due to contract clauses. 

Cant we just place him on gardening leave till summer and them sack him?

1 minute ago, nonotnowjim said:

Did Arteta or Klopp taken over a club midseason? when the transfer window had already been closed? a club that had just been sold to new owners? a club that had no sporting or technical directors at the time? that had a whole new senior boardroom? that had just finished being sanctioned? Did their respective teams then go out and buy 8 new players under 23 and expect those players to gel immediately into a new team?

Potter did....

And whether or not Potter is the right manager for us (or not) -  if the answer is not yes to all the above, then the comparisons are irrelevant.

You're still Potter in?

19 minutes ago, JM7 said:

There’s no point in sacking him after the Dortmund game. It’s either sack him now or let him go in the summer when presumably it will be cheaper due to contract clauses. 

This....no point sacking him after the horse has bolted. Sack him now or leave it until the summer.

3 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

if the answer is not yes to all the above, then the comparisons are irrelevant.

Perfect.

So let's hope Potter stops comparing himself to those two then so everyone can just focus on him literally being our worst manager in history,

Imagine Tuchel having us in a relagation battle when he took over from Lampard in January and excused himself with "i took over a club in mid season".

You know what he actually said? "Winning is in the DNA of this club and we will become a team no one wants to play against." Then the legend went on and won the Champions League on merit for the first time in the history of the club.

That's what a proper Chelsea manager is. Not this sorry pathetic excuse of one.

3 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

You're still Potter in?

I have never been Potter in per se and I have regularly expressed my doubt that he is the right manager for us in the long term.

My position has always been that the squad has been rotten and in decline for a long time, and we have needed to press reset. The reactive hire em fire em approach has left us with a squad that is not optimised to a particular style or system, and is a hodge podge of bad planning.

There has been an unprecedented amount of turmoil around our club since the sanctions, and now we have new owners, with a long term vision, there is time for some stability. The rebuild will take time and it will be hard.

So whatever manager comes in, I think will be living through a painful time.  Maybe Potter is not the answer long term, but we have to break the cycle.

So I am in the short-term pain for long-term pragmatic gain camp.

4 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

My position has always been that the squad has been rotten and in decline for a long time, and we have needed to press reset.

We ARE a good team. Look how awesome we looked against Juve, against Madrid (2nd leg), against spurs this season….When the players are allowed to play with the handbrake off, then we ARE top class. Unfortunately, we did not do it (or were not allowed to do it) often enough.

You the day Tuchel was sacked. Different standards much?

That team that are top class is now mid-table and sinking under Potter and you are defending him while you couldn't wait to critizice Tuchel for everything.
 

 

Edited February 27, 20233 yr by OriginalS

2 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

I have never been Potter in per se and I have regularly expressed my doubt that he is the right manager for us in the long term.

My position has always been that the squad has been rotten and in decline for a long time, and we have needed to press reset. The reactive hire em fire em approach has left us with a squad that is not optimised to a particular style or system, and is a hodge podge of bad planning.

There has been an unprecedented amount of turmoil around our club since the sanctions, and now we have new owners, with a long term vision, there is time for some stability. The rebuild will take time and it will be hard.

So whatever manager comes in, I think will be living through a painful time.  Maybe Potter is not the answer long term, but we have to break the cycle.

So I am in the short-term pain for long-term pragmatic gain camp.

Don't want to go too off piste in the Potter thread, but I'd be interested to hear your view of who in the current squad is in your "rotten" pile, and ripe for moving out ?

1 minute ago, nonotnowjim said:

I have never been Potter in per se and I have regularly expressed my doubt that he is the right manager for us in the long term.

My position has always been that the squad has been rotten and in decline for a long time, and we have needed to press reset. The reactive hire em fire em approach has left us with a squad that is not optimised to a particular style or system, and is a hodge podge of bad planning.

There has been an unprecedented amount of turmoil around our club since the sanctions, and now we have new owners, with a long term vision, there is time for some stability. The rebuild will take time and it will be hard.

So whatever manager comes in, I think will be living through a painful time.  Maybe Potter is not the answer long term, but we have to break the cycle.

So I am in the short-term pain for long-term pragmatic gain camp.

To be honest I don't feel we need a long term manager for a long term project. Ofcourse that would be ideal but it's not crucial. The technical team and James/Enzo/Barry etc will have us more than covered on the stability score.

Infact if we're looking to build a core that survives a decade it probably won't be possible regardless of how good a manager we get, I think it was @Bob starkwho said this but after a while the voice needs to change or a large chunk of the players do. Look at City's squad now compared to Pep's centurions, there's very few regulars from that side still there.

We just need to keep appointing managers who are roughly on the same page with their ideas.

4 hours ago, LongtimerLurker said:

-2 goal difference after 24 games is very worrying. I wonder if anyone has the stats for our goals for and against since Potter took over. I know TT contributed to 35% of our total epl points his season, but I'm unsure how many goals that translates to. 

Crazy to think over a third of our points were accrued between August and September 7th. That is beyond wild. 

It's +1 since Potter took over. It's neg2 since 1st November. 

We have one of the best defensive records in the league. 

Stamford bridge has seen 11 goals in 8 games under Potter. That's from both teams 😅. Only 6 Goals in the last 6.

17 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

You're still Potter in?

Nah he's not Potter in, he just thinks you need to support the manager regardless even if he's not the right man. Even though he did nothing but complain about Tuchel for months and wanted him sacked because he made our great attackers underperform.

Magically, those same great attackers are now conveniently not so great anymore when they were playing under Potter, so we had to get new ones, and low and behold he's starting to talk about how bad they are now.