2 minutes ago, coco said:

Your just a bottle job ! 😆

Are you drunk? 

 

1 minute ago, OriginalS said:

Are you drunk? 

 

I was going to have a drink but all my bottles have vanished.

1 minute ago, coco said:

One game ?? Oh Lord, another bottler, jesus wept where did all the chelsea bottle job fans come from ?

I don't understand what you mean. I haven't come from anywhere. I've been here since 1972.

Is it really such a perplexing and mind bogglingly intricate and complex role that having trained with a group of professionals, all of which have been involved in football to an academy level as a minimum for roughly 15 years each, to then create a formation and a pattern of play so that, against a team bereft of all belief and ideas, having already sacked their second manager this season with the latest one barely clearing a standard employment probation period, that woudl allo wus to put 11 blokes on the pitch and win one of the games that for the last three weeks most fans have bene saying this is the must win game. Lose this and it must be curtains.

In fact if it hadn't have been for Kepa, all that training and planning could have all turned to sh*t in the first 3 mins with an assist from Badiashile.

37 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

A) And what if it goes wrong? What if we finish the rebuild, Potter gets next season and we are still midtable and worse? Right now that looks more likely than anything else.

B) Coach is already ensuring the likes of Mount and Gallagher, the kind of players we were supposed to build our future on is on their way out.

C) New signings will have been labeled flops at that point and will be extremely low on confidence and we have blown our "rebuild-budget" with nothing to show for it.

D) Does the next manager then get a dozen new players as well and two seasons minimum to get something out of us? Or is that only for Potter since he's a plucky lad from Solihull?

A) that is a risk you take as the owner. At the point Potter was given 5 years, they had risk models in place and I bet the lowest of the low of his performance is not met yet.

B) Gallagher nor Mount are not on their way out. No substance in this story.

C) Labelled by media+fans maybe in some sh*tty rags. Look at it bit further and you know how hard it is to integrate young players to side that is not functioning in a new country. 

D) What we are trying to avoid is to end up hiring a new manager who wants his players. This is the very merry-go-round we have been under Roman for years. 

 

We have too little history with Boehly to have knowledge of his ideas and behaviour with managers. @Sexyfootball got the stats from the Dodgers side but that doesn't necessarily mean he trusts the coach. I have no idea of the level of competition in MLB. The Prem today has to be one of the hardest leagues in the world to win in any sport. 

Potter may be out tomorrow if that is what they want but we all know the downsides of hiring and firing managers. 

Just now, WhiteWall said:

I don't understand what you mean. I haven't come from anywhere. I've been here since 1972.

Is it really such a perplexing and mind bogglingly intricate and complex role that having trained with a group of professionals, all of which have been involved in football to an academy level as a minimum for roughly 15 years each, to then create a formation and a pattern of play so that, against a team bereft of all belief and ideas, having already sacked their second manager this season with the latest one barely clearing a standard employment probation period, that woudl allo wus to put 11 blokes on the pitch and win one of the games that for the last three weeks most fans have bene saying this is the must win game. Lose this and it must be curtains.

In fact if it hadn't have been for Kepa, all that training and planning could have all turned to sh*t in the first 3 mins with an assist from Badiashile.

Did you not watch our 2 previous games before Southampton ? Both acceptable performances, why do you completely ignore those ?

3 minutes ago, coco said:

Did you not watch our 2 previous games before Southampton ? Both acceptable performances, why do you completely ignore those ?

Because one needs to ask themselves did we do well because we brought in more quality or was it actual coaching? Judging by the Saturday's hysterical it's likely the former. 

Edited February 20, 20233 yr by Sconnie Blue

20 minutes ago, Jezz said:

Interesting analysis.

 

Interesting up to point, albeit huge doses of salt when the guy puts up his view of "Chelsea's Best Team" and has Dave at right back and Reece James nowhere LOL

I liked the graphic for the injuries.

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Because one needs to ask themselves did we do well because we brought in more quality or was it actual coaching? Judging by the Saturday's hysterical it's likely the former. 

Judge him on one game ? Pathetic.

Just now, Sexyfootball said:

Interesting up to point, albeit huge doses of salt when the guy puts up his view of "Chelsea's Best Team" and has Dave at right back and Reece James nowhere LOL

I liked the graphic for the injuries.

Yes, that did raise eyebrows.

I think there's also an overemphasis on numbers alone rather than just assessing the success of the tactics itself.

1 minute ago, coco said:

Judge him on one game ? Pathetic.

It's been 6 months?

1 minute ago, evissy said:

A) that is a risk you take as the owner. At the point Potter was given 5 years, they had risk models in place and I bet the lowest of the low of his performance is not met yet.

B) Gallagher nor Mount are not on their way out. No substance in this story.

C) Labelled by media+fans maybe in some sh*tty rags. Look at it bit further and you know how hard it is to integrate young players to side that is not functioning in a new country. 

D) What we are trying to avoid is to end up hiring a new manager who wants his players. This is the very merry-go-round we have been under Roman for years. 

 

We have too little history with Boehly to have knowledge of his ideas and behaviour with managers. @Sexyfootball got the stats from the Dodgers side but that doesn't necessarily mean he trusts the coach. I have no idea of the level of competition in MLB. The Prem today has to be one of the hardest leagues in the world to win in any sport. 

Potter may be out tomorrow if that is what they want but we all know the downsides of hiring and firing managers. 

This is an interesting point and one i have been wondering about for a while now.

Do we believe that these are Potters choices, are these players that he and his team have been tracking and have scouted.

On the basis that Billy Gilmour was probably one of teh last signings he made before leaving Brighton andthey paid about £8m for him, how long do we think Potter and his team have been tracking Enzo, Mudryk and Felix for the approximate £200m here. On the basis that he has been here such a short time, presumably he has had these players in his sights for some time now.

Just now, Sconnie Blue said:

It's been 6 months?

FFs how many more times do i have to say it ? He has nearly a whole team of new players plus injured players returning into the squad, we have played 3 games since then, two were good performances, one terrible.

Damn, I woke up and he's still here, guess he really does have Boehly's nudes

16 minutes ago, reparto corse said:

Xmas 2023? That can't be right, surely? Another 10 months of Potter and this club is done.

Well if they are giving him pre-season, they've got to give him half a season to see how that turns out. That was my logic. 

I don't like it any less than you LOL 

First 25 games as coach (all competitions)

• Jurgen Klopp (Liverpool) = 12 wins, 7 draws, 6 losses (43 points) - 4 wins in the last 9
• Pep Guardiola (Man City) = 14 wins, 6 draws, 5 losses (48 points) - 4 wins in the last 15
• Mikel Arteta (Arsenal) = 14 wins, 6 draws, 5 losses (48 points) - 4 wins in the last 6
• Antonio Conte (Spurs) = 13 wins, 3 draws, 9 losses (42 points) - 4 wins in the last 9
• Erik Ten Hag (Man Utd) = 18 wins, 2 draws, 5 losses (56 points) - 4 wins in the last 4
• Graham Potter (Chelsea) = 9 wins, 7 draws, 9 losses (34 points) - 4 wins in the last 19

32 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Tough call there as we are only averaging 4 shots on target per game in the premier league

So we put those four away and force an own goal for our fifth. Simple 🙂

9 minutes ago, coco said:

Did you not watch our 2 previous games before Southampton ? Both acceptable performances, why do you completely ignore those ?

Do you mean the loss to Dortmund and draw with West Ham. Or do you mean just the last two PL games, the draw with West Ham and the draw with Fulham.

We are at the end of February and have only won one match in 2023.

Perhaps if you had read all of my post and replied in context you would have seen that i was referring to the continuing decline in our fortunes and all we are currenly looking for is not the form to win the league but just a sufficient amount of cohesive football to win one game to stop the rot.

8 minutes ago, Jezz said:

Yes, that did raise eyebrows.

I think there's also an overemphasis on numbers alone rather than just assessing the success of the tactics itself.

It was certainly far far superior analysis to the usual hysterical Generation Z rant mob infesting YouTube and Twitter !

1 hour ago, coco said:

I will give you and anyone else that wants to take the challenge 1000/1 odds we get relegated this season.

Put your money where your mouth is coombsie 😉

🤣🤣 Thanks for the odds, but I never back against Chelsea. I say "never & against" because I did lose a couple of games of Last Man Standing when picking Chelsea for the win. My old Boss always used to say NEVER back Chelsea at home and odds-on.  I pray you do not have to pay out mate.

Just now, WhiteWall said:

Do you mean the loss to Dortmund and draw with West Ham. Or do you mean just the last two PL games, the draw with West Ham and the draw with Fulham.

We are at the end of February and have only won one match in 2023.

Perhaps if you had read all of my post and replied in context you would have seen that i was referring to the continuing decline in our fortunes and all we are currenly looking for is not the form to win the league but just a sufficient amount of cohesive football to win one game to stop the rot.

It doesn't matter what you say, you wont convince me that sacking him now is the answer, i am being totally realistic and waiting until the end of the season before i judge him, anything less is unfair.

Just now, coco said:

FFs how many more times do i have to say it ? He has nearly a whole team of new players plus injured players returning into the squad, we have played 3 games since then, two were good performances, one terrible.

Fair enough.

I'll confidently claim I've seen enough to suggest he is very much out of his depth, but I can't disagree with the notion of giving him until the end of the season when that was my preference to begin with. 

42 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

When he was appointed, he had almost a full month off to prepare us going foward.

He had 6 weeks after the Newcastle game because of the world cup. He didn't have all of his players, but he had enough players to get something out of them.

What is the difference between what he is doing now and what he would do in pre season anyway? It's essentially the same thing. You train, you work on your fitness, you work on tactics. There isn't some kind of magic involved that changes just because you put the words pre season in front of it. If he can't improve us now and before the end of the season, there is zero reason to believe he will once next seasons pre season starts.

This is a bit disingenuous. During the world cup he didnt really have a squad to work with. We were without:

Mount

Sterling

Mendy

Silva

James (injured)

Chilly (injured)

Fofana (injured)

Kante (Injured)

Pulisic

Ziyech

Kova

Gallagher

Kai

Azpi

Benoit Baddy (not yet signed)

Felix (not yet signed)

DDF (not yet signed)

Mydryk (not yet signed)

Noni Madueke (not yet signed

Koulibaly

Enzo (not yet signed)

Zakaria

 

This left a first-team squad of just:

Kepa, Betinelli, Cucu, RLC, Chukwuemeka, Auba, Jorgi (now sold), Broja (injured before restart)....

Good luck with getting a tune out of those 6 (who remain)

 

6 minutes ago, Jezz said:

First 25 games as coach (all competitions)

• Jurgen Klopp (Liverpool) = 12 wins, 7 draws, 6 losses (43 points) - 4 wins in the last 9
• Pep Guardiola (Man City) = 14 wins, 6 draws, 5 losses (48 points) - 4 wins in the last 15
• Mikel Arteta (Arsenal) = 14 wins, 6 draws, 5 losses (48 points) - 4 wins in the last 6
• Antonio Conte (Spurs) = 13 wins, 3 draws, 9 losses (42 points) - 4 wins in the last 9
• Erik Ten Hag (Man Utd) = 18 wins, 2 draws, 5 losses (56 points) - 4 wins in the last 4
• Graham Potter (Chelsea) = 9 wins, 7 draws, 9 losses (34 points) - 4 wins in the last 19

Same data for Roy Hodgson (Liverpool) and Nuno (Spurs) might be quite instructive. I would add Ole Gunnar Solskjær at United as well but probably best to include a decent period after he was made permanent LOL

2 hours ago, Jezz said:

PL ladder since Potter became coach:

1. Arsenal = 39
2. Manchester City = 38
3. Manchester United = 37
4. Newcastle United = 34
5. Fulham = 30
6. Tottenham Hotspur = 28
7. Brentford = 26
8. Liverpool = 26
9. Aston Villa = 24
10. Leicester City = 23
11. Brighton = 22
12. Chelsea = 21
13. Nottingham Forest = 21
14. Crystal Palace = 20
15. Everton = 17
16. Wolves = 17
17. West Ham United = 16
18. Bournemouth = 14
19. Leeds United = 11
20. Southampton = 11

Every team has played 17 games from this point.

Trust the process 😂

3 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Fair enough.

I'll confidently claim I've seen enough to suggest he is very much out of his depth, but I can't disagree with the notion of giving him until the end of the season when that was my preference to begin with. 

Which is more or less the same position i am in.