18 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

The reason it was worth 3 billion is the brand we have built, the league we play in, the location of the club (Prime West London), and the potential we have. Very little about our trophy cabinet: 

It is why spurs would likely go for the same or more than us. 

Got to be more. I mean sure we are very well known across the globe however you do have to give it to Spurs in that "being Spursy" or "doing a Spursy" is a truly famous saying that people know and use in many walks of life.

5 hours ago, axman2526 said:

For one thing that guy has his own "talks football" YouTube show, or it might be better called "talks b*ollocks" to be more accurate. He has been a Potter hater since day 1, some "supporter". George Benson football Channel and Football therapy are much better, balanced and in depth on analysis. Give good old YTF a miss.

For two though on this point, wven a Potter back like myself thought from the get on a 5 year deal, and such a wage was far too much on both counts.

 

 

Actually Younes, that’s his name btw, is one of the more level headed Chelsea supporters unlike for example Rory Jennings who is obviously biased toward English players. If you watched his channel he is quite objective in his analysis regarding the players and the manager. Regarding him being a potter hater form day 1, again not true. If you saw his video when potter was announced as the next Chelsea manager is even though he had reservations for this appointment because he felt the job might be too big for potter he’d back him. And now with each passing game he is proven right. No matter what side you’re on regarding potter, losing to Southampton, who are bottom of the league and without a manager, at home is unacceptable period.

35 minutes ago, Faisal said:

 

 

Actually Younes, that’s his name btw, is one of the more level headed Chelsea supporters unlike for example Rory Jennings who is obviously biased toward English players. If you watched his channel he is quite objective in his analysis regarding the players and the manager. Regarding him being a potter hater form day 1, again not true. If you saw his video when potter was announced as the next Chelsea manager is even though he had reservations for this appointment because he felt the job might be too big for potter he’d back him. And now with each passing game he is proven right. No matter what side you’re on regarding potter, losing to Southampton, who are bottom of the league and without a manager, at home is unacceptable period.

Disagree on him, watched his channel, he hot headed and reactionary imo. Not just on Potter, he has been on Mason for a while now too. As I mentioned both Yannick on Football Therapy and George from GBFC are much, much more level headed. Never mentioned Rory nor do I watch his stuff.

Edited February 20, 20233 yr by axman2526

2 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Disagree on him, watched his channel, he hot headed and reactionary imo. Not just on Potter, he has been on Mason for a while now too. As I mentioned both Yannick on Football Therapy and George from GBFC are much, much more level headed. Never mentioned Rory nor do I watch his stuff.

How is he hot headed. He predicted potter would flop and that’s what’s happening. Unlike the other Chelsea media personalities who were excited, he explained in detail the reasons why potter would not succeed at Chlesea. And regarding Mason Mount, at this point anyone who’s defending his atrocious performance is being biased towards Mount. Answer me this do you honestly believe that mason performance the past year or so and potter’s performance since he came in warrants any praise and adulation? 

I think the other thing we should take into account is timing.

At the moment we're still looking up and talking about Zidane, Flick, Poch. If we go and lose the next 3-4 games we could be pressured into having to change manager because we are truly getting sacked into a relegation battle. None of the people being mentioned have any experience of scraping to stave off relegation. Zidane in a 6 pointer against a Nottingham Forest fighting for their lives whilst our lot are bereft of any belief and cohesion. Can't see it.

My point is that if we don't make the right decision now we may well be needing a very different kind of manager, and those types of blokes are a bit more thin on the ground nowadays.

I don't see Zidane who has only coached Real Madrid as being at all a good fit at chelsea. I have never thought much of Poch. Flick is to me an unknown but I actually think the team could do with a very clear game plan and some positional discipline and consistency in selection.

There are probably quite a few more temporary choices out there. Van Gaal for instance, even Wenger. Then at the end of the season a proper selection process can be undertaken. Personally I would have touchel back in a heart beat but you can't stand in the same river twice and it wont happen.

For the record my favourite chelsea coaches in time order were Mourinho mk1, Conte and Tuchel. 

I was very definitely, "give Potter time" but his body language, poor verbal responses in interviews and growingly obvious lack of any leadership qualities or most basic coaching abilities, coupled with the inept performance on Saturday, now make me think that he MUST go now, before we get sucked into the periphery of the relegation zone.

We have all heard and used the "too good to go down" term, but we all know teams who have gone down despite having been in a good position. Nobody can currently see a way out of this horrendous patch of form, Everyone on here would have thought that we would beat Southampton and we couldn't even manage that, we are all starting to dread the upcoming fixtures and seeing Everton, Forest, Southampton , Leicester, Palace and Wolves pick up points - while we do not, is getting a bit un-nerving.

I therefore agree with Whitewall that NOW is the time to make a change, although like most on here, I really have little idea as to who we bring in, as the really great coaches/managers are all in a job -  except Zidane. I'm not keen on him or Poch or Henrique, so in short, I can understand why Boehly and Team are struggling with making this decision. 

Going absolutely "outside the box" I think that Ange Postecoglou could provide leadership, tactics and man management (he looks a tough f**ker) but I now prepare to get a hammering for this suggestion;  

What worry's me is if we keep losing we will find ourselves fighting teams who are used to fighting relagation and know how to pull out results, we are not.

Everyone should realize if (when if Potter stays on) we lose to Tottenham the next game against Leeds have officially turned into a relegation 6-pointer. After that we are going to Leicester which is a game we'll also lose if nothing changes. Then it's Everton which will be another 6 pointer and then we finish the season against City, United, Arsenal all away from home + Newcastle.

If we lose to Tottenham we are in a relegation scrap lads. Make no mistake about it.

 

1 hour ago, ozboy said:

I don't see Zidane who has only coached Real Madrid as being at all a good fit at chelsea. I have never thought much of Poch. Flick is to me an unknown but I actually think the team could do with a very clear game plan and some positional discipline and consistency in selection.

There are probably quite a few more temporary choices out there. Van Gaal for instance, even Wenger. Then at the end of the season a proper selection process can be undertaken. Personally I would have touchel back in a heart beat but you can't stand in the same river twice and it wont happen.

For the record my favourite chelsea coaches in time order were Mourinho mk1, Conte and Tuchel. 

Nobody is perfect, but it's clear as day that Zidane would get the best out of our best players, James and Enzo under Zidane is something I wish to see.

So the players take another day off from training today.

Is there something happening behind the scenes?

1 hour ago, ozboy said:

I don't see Zidane who has only coached Real Madrid as being at all a good fit at chelsea. I have never thought much of Poch. Flick is to me an unknown but I actually think the team could do with a very clear game plan and some positional discipline and consistency in selection.

There are probably quite a few more temporary choices out there. Van Gaal for instance, even Wenger. Then at the end of the season a proper selection process can be undertaken. Personally I would have touchel back in a heart beat but you can't stand in the same river twice and it wont happen.

For the record my favourite chelsea coaches in time order were Mourinho mk1, Conte and Tuchel. 

Zizou is a manager for Real Madrid level players. That is PSG, Team France, Bayern Munich and maybe another national team. 

We are a transitional side with young players. 

Poch has never impressed me as a person or a manager. Tottenham is his prime performance and it has to be said it was good work from him.. however he totally failed at PSG. That was a catastrophic failure if anything...

Flick has never impressed in anything. He was Team Germany second coach for years. After he was promoted he has never succeeded as expected.

If this is the pool we are fishing for a manager we should stick with what we have right now.

https://twitter.com/Blue_Footy/status/1627586529169113088?t=D0PcTLRgyA1x4u0ZIoGCJw&s=19

Patty Nevin calls for balls...in this forum I have seen very little of it.

7 minutes ago, evissy said:

Zizou is a manager for Real Madrid level players. That is PSG, Team France, Bayern Munich and maybe another national team. 

We are a transitional side with young players. 

Poch has never impressed me as a person or a manager. Tottenham is his prime performance and it has to be said it was good work from him.. however he totally failed at PSG. That was a catastrophic failure if anything...

Flick has never impressed in anything. He was Team Germany second coach for years. After he was promoted he has never succeeded as expected.

If this is the pool we are fishing for a manager we should stick with what we have right now.

It's going to be interesting to see what Boehly does.

The only parallels we have to go on are from the history at LA Dodgers.

He bought into them in 2012, and they retained the existing manager for 4 seasons (he was there for 5 overall) before making a change to a new manager called Dave Roberts, who has been there ever since (8 years and counting).

So he seems to like managerial longevity, albeit LA Dodgers have never had poor performance quite like what we are seeing from Potter, so this is new territory for Boehly.

LA Dodgers compete in the National League West, which has 5 teams. Since 2013, they have finished 1st of the 5 teams in every year except one (2021) when they were literally a single game back in 2nd (small margins in baseball in a 162 game season).

What we don't know is what Boehly would have done if this Roberts guy had come in and taken a side that was finishing 1st in 2013, 2014, 2015, and immediately had them bumbling along in 3rd or 4th out of 5, with zero runs or wins 🙂 

 

17 minutes ago, evissy said:

Zizou is a manager for Real Madrid level players. That is PSG, Team France, Bayern Munich and maybe another national team. 

We are a transitional side with young players. 

Poch has never impressed me as a person or a manager. Tottenham is his prime performance and it has to be said it was good work from him.. however he totally failed at PSG. That was a catastrophic failure if anything...

Flick has never impressed in anything. He was Team Germany second coach for years. After he was promoted he has never succeeded as expected.

If this is the pool we are fishing for a manager we should stick with what we have right now.

Re Flick, I am not sure. On the basis you can only deal with the tools that you have and in the environment within which you are placed, this isn't bad.

18 minutes ago, evissy said:

Zizou is a manager for Real Madrid level players. That is PSG, Team France, Bayern Munich and maybe another national team. 

We are a transitional side with young players. 

 

We have both, it's not like it would be hard to manage world class players like Enzo and James. Zidane did develop to an extent and while at the same time giving trust to players like Vini, Valverde, Rodrygo, Ceballos and maybe even Kovacic?

We have been a transitional team ever since our golden generation started to retire, you could argue after we finished 10th it was clear we were going under a transition. That didn't stop us from winning titles afterwards despite losing a lot of legendary players.

Edited February 20, 20233 yr by Gol15

24 minutes ago, evissy said:

https://twitter.com/Blue_Footy/status/1627586529169113088?t=D0PcTLRgyA1x4u0ZIoGCJw&s=19

Patty Nevin calls for balls...in this forum I have seen very little of it.

That's taken from an article he's written for the Daily Mail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11769589/PAT-NEVIN-Chelsea-fans-want-Graham-Potter-hope-board-stick-him.html 

He's saying stick, based on defensive record and a few good periods of play. Fair enough.

However, it could also be said that we only have a good defensive record because Kepa is having a blinding season (top of the save stats in the PL) and because we have Thiago Silva to save our arses when Kepa can't. Basically, we are still giving up a lot of chances to the opposition. 

We've all enjoyed the first half an hour against West Ham and Dortmund, but several on here have rightly made the point of that being down to a £100+ million loan player being on his game, rather than any coached patterns of play appearing. 

Worth also remembering that Pat Nevin does a lot of paid work on the club website etc, so this might also be a case of "wheel Pat out to placate the fans and bang the drum for the company message".

Edited February 20, 20233 yr by Sexyfootball

7 minutes ago, evissy said:

https://twitter.com/Blue_Footy/status/1627586529169113088?t=D0PcTLRgyA1x4u0ZIoGCJw&s=19

Patty Nevin calls for balls...in this forum I have seen very little of it.

The problem here is a common error that all pundits seem to fall into.

They keep using Arteta as the perserverance model. What they fail to do is acknowledge that Arteta set up his team how he wanted and stuck to it. He went and bought Ben White and paid £50m from...guess who,  He played White to his strengths and in the pattern that Arteta wanted. White had a shocking start and Arsenal were roundly mocked. Here ia the perserrverance. Arteta didn't change style, continued to use White inthe way he wanted and continued to buy players that fitted his model and his style of play.

The team continued to look fragile and fans and pundits were scornful, but over time (and with the odd helping hand from Charity FC!!)  the team gelled and it all came together. Its still not the finishjed article but there is a defined project and style there that they are working towards.

None of us would object to this. None of us would fail to see the bigger picture.

But we're six months in, where is Potter's model? He used 17 players in one game.....which we deservedly lost. Where is this style, where is this project that the players, fans and senior management can buy into. I just don't see it.

One of the soundbites at the outset was that Graham is a master tactician and likes to maintain a fluid approach, changing formation to suit the opposition, often on a number of occasions during matches. Wellreap what you sow Graham, because footballers don't think like that. They like set routines and systems of play. Now we are running around not knowigfn if we want a sh*t, shave or haircut.

Artetsa is not the example to use here, Potter is not doign what Arteta did and is doing.

41 minutes ago, evissy said:

https://twitter.com/Blue_Footy/status/1627586529169113088?t=D0PcTLRgyA1x4u0ZIoGCJw&s=19

Patty Nevin calls for balls...in this forum I have seen very little of it.

I wonder where United would be if they kept giving Ole time. 

I absolutely agree that a good football team is just that a team. Everyone knows their own job and they also know what their unit's (by that I mean the 2 or 3 players they interact with on the field) job is. They can almost pass blind. Each unit in turn has an awareness of where they fit into the team. This does not prevent individual flair indeed it frees up the player from having to think and just lets them express themselves to the utmost of their ability. 

I am confident in saying this because I worked in investment banking teams for many years. We got rated each year. No 1 everyone wants to hire you, not in top 3 everyone wants to fire you. Having a consistent team, which was upgraded and changed but had a relatively constant core is what made the team greater than the sum of the parts.

When you watch a good soccer team its just that you watch the team not the individual. Think of Argentina's second goal against france. 

We can all see on this forum how far away from that right now. There are many reasons but the coach is one of them. if this was Conte's team it would not be like this at this point.

38 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Potter is not doign what Arteta did and is doing.

And Arteta started with:

Mustafi where we have Thiago Silva.
Sokratis where we have Fofana/Badiashile/Koulibaly
Maitland-Niles where we have Reece James.
Torreira where we have Enzo Fernandez.
Soares where we have Chilwell
Smith-Rowe where we have Felix/Mount.

And so on. It's a bullsh*t comparison.

Edited February 20, 20233 yr by OriginalS

That press conference was a disgrace, he’s creating a straw man argument citing injuries and “being calm on the touchline”, essentially trying to make the fans look stupid by essentially labelling us as apes who want him out because he isn’t shouting. Straw man argument!, we care about your clueless tactics and managerial nous in every aspect, not that other stuff; Potter genuinely thinks Boehly and the fans can easily be fooled like that?, unreal. 

I am not saying Potter is not flawed or he hasn't made mistakes. He is absolutely flawed and has made mistakes in his time here. This is the pinnacle so far of his career and when you step up you are learning as you go. If we trust his leadership skills and his football philosophy we need to let him learn in the job. He is in the same boat with the players in terms of a new setting and a new era under Boehly in a completely new competitive environment. 

For me Potter is the first coach in years to play players in their natural positions. He also saw that the material we have is better suited for 4 at back for long term. Short term success-managers like Tuchel sacrifice players for the good of the success. That is why we joked about putting any and all players as wingbacks. Potter seems to value players opinion. That probably in short term doesn't translate to on field success but could reap rewards in the long run.

40 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

It's going to be interesting to see what Boehly does.

The only parallels we have to go on are from the history at LA Dodgers.

He bought into them in 2012, and they retained the existing manager for 4 seasons (he was there for 5 overall) before making a change to a new manager called Dave Roberts, who has been there ever since (8 years and counting).

So he seems to like managerial longevity, albeit LA Dodgers have never had poor performance quite like what we are seeing from Potter, so this is new territory for Boehly.

LA Dodgers compete in the National League West, which has 5 teams. Since 2013, they have finished 1st of the 5 teams in every year except one (2021) when they were literally a single game back in 2nd (small margins in baseball in a 162 game season).

What we don't know is what Boehly would have done if this Roberts guy had come in and taken a side that was finishing 1st in 2013, 2014, 2015, and immediately had them bumbling along in 3rd or 4th out of 5, with zero runs or wins 🙂 

 

It doesn't matter this side of the pond where you finish, last if you like; you are not getting relegated and the fan base doesn't diminish.  Its all about the play-offs and draft picks, all totally different with the problem he has here.  Get sucked into relegation and some of the young fans and foreigners will jump ship to City / Utd or whoever, swapping shirts like underwear, whereas us stalwart old timers that witnessed pain suffering and a little joy from the 60's through the 70's until Roman arrived, will be better prepared should we be playing in the Championship.   While tongue in cheek I have said that Boehly doesn't understand relegation I'm sure he and his advisors do, but they can't be flirting in and around the relegation zone for too long especially if the Board waits to long to pull the trigger because it will be too late to drag us back from the precipice.   I think if we don't put in a good performance against Spurs and lose to Leeds he'll be gone, whereas in NA he'd likely stay.  

I don't think we'll drop, as we do have a 10 point cushion over the real relegation teams, but if they start drawing with the odd win, while we continue to flounder with Potter, then that 10 points will quickly diminish.

2 minutes ago, evissy said:

For me Potter is the first coach in years to play players in their natural positions. He also saw that the material we have is better suited for 4 at back for long term. Short term success-managers like Tuchel sacrifice players for the good of the success. That is why we joked about putting any and all players as wingbacks. Potter seems to value players opinion. That probably in short term doesn't translate to on field success but could reap rewards in the long run.

How can you say that when he had Sterling playing at left wing back, and literally in the last game had the genius idea of playing Mount as a centre forward, and continues to play Havertz up top ahead of the only two natural strikers in his squad  ?

You're not helping your argument with statements like this, and you are still trying all this revisionist nonsense about Tuchel, who by the way played 4 at the back in 3 of his 6 games in charge this season.