If Boehly sacks Potter now he saw something inside the club and his relationship with players that is no way to be saved. 

On field results is part of the story in this season at least. 

Otherwise Boehly is sacking him for fans and media. He should sack him when things are not working internally. Maybe they are not working internally..we don't know because we are not in the inner circle. 

We are not yet in a point where we are afraid of relegation. 

5 minutes ago, coco said:

The ones who are threatening relegation is upon us, literally cant do the maths, you need at least 7 of the bottom 10 to outperform us over 15 games by over 11 points. its simply not happening and is purely a scaremongering tactic by those bottlers we have in our midst.

Fighting talk Coco ! 😂

Consider your chain well and truly yanked LOL

Edited February 20, 20233 yr by Sexyfootball

1 minute ago, coco said:

The ones who are threatening relegation is upon us, literally cant do the maths, you need at least 7 of the bottom 10 to outperform us over 15 games by over 11 points. its simply not happening and is purely a scaremongering tactic by those bottlers we have in our midst.

Agreed. It would take some incredibly disastrous luck for us to lose 5-10 games to drop down to 17th. It would also be a hugely fantastic run for those below us to not only win against the top half but also to win against each other enough to outscore us in points.

I'm not worried about relegation this season, I think Tuchel did enough to keep us up.

I'm worried about relegation next season if Potter stays, he's nearly been relegated twice in his 3 full seasons in the PL and 2 wins in 15 games is a relegation record. results, heads and individual performances from new signings have continued to drop the longer the players have worked with Potter.

Edited February 20, 20233 yr by TimesUpPotter

13 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

I don't think he has "lost" the dressing room per se. I think to a man they probably all like him

I don't think you lose something you never had. The job isn't about a popularity contest. Players can like a manager all they want, that doesn't make a difference at his performance review to decide if he is being kept on or not. 

Maybe I'm being silly here, but I don't think a manager like GP will excite professionals that are used to elite managers that win things or players in a club with a history of winning and being competitive to a degree. 

No player will publicly come out and say anything negative but with their closest friends and allies they will share their opinions. 

We all experience this as well in our daily lives to a degree, a new work colleague joins the team or manager, we initially assess them based on their history, their background, what they achieved in previous roles but we start to make judgement on their suitability as time starts to pass and we see their work ethic and output. 

They may have great work ethics but not getting results and whilst me may cut them some slack as we realise they have the work ethic required, it doesn't mean we trust their capability to do the job. 

1 hour ago, evissy said:

I am not saying Potter is not flawed or he hasn't made mistakes. He is absolutely flawed and has made mistakes in his time here. This is the pinnacle so far of his career and when you step up you are learning as you go. If we trust his leadership skills and his football philosophy we need to let him learn in the job. He is in the same boat with the players in terms of a new setting and a new era under Boehly in a completely new competitive environment. 

For me Potter is the first coach in years to play players in their natural positions. He also saw that the material we have is better suited for 4 at back for long term. Short term success-managers like Tuchel sacrifice players for the good of the success. That is why we joked about putting any and all players as wingbacks. Potter seems to value players opinion. That probably in short term doesn't translate to on field success but could reap rewards in the long run.

How can you lot keep regurgitating this bollocks. 

All of our youngsters improved under Tuchel, even CHO for all the good that did, he gave him more of a chance than any other Chelsea manager barring Sarri. 

What players right now are getting a chance under Potter that they didn't under Tuchel exactly? Nobody has improved under Potter, he played Pulisic and Sterling as wingbacks also... He seems to be very wary of playing Fofana even after a decent game and probably our only bright spark just to put Havertz on again and play Mount out of position. 

16 minutes ago, coco said:

The ones who are threatening relegation is upon us, literally cant do the maths, you need at least 7 of the bottom 10 to outperform us over 15 games by over 11 points. its simply not happening and is purely a scaremongering tactic by those bottlers we have in our midst.

Lose the next 3 which is a very real possibility with how we are looking and with a squad that isn't playing for him and it will be closer than you think. Still a gap yes but it will likely be 5-6 points with some kind fixtures for the teams below us.

With 12 games to go it could get awfully close. But yes, if we for example beat Leeds we are probably safe but go on a losing streak now and we can quickly be in there relegation mix.

PL ladder since Potter became coach:

1. Arsenal = 39
2. Manchester City = 38
3. Manchester United = 37
4. Newcastle United = 34
5. Fulham = 30
6. Tottenham Hotspur = 28
7. Brentford = 26
8. Liverpool = 26
9. Aston Villa = 24
10. Leicester City = 23
11. Brighton = 22
12. Chelsea = 21
13. Nottingham Forest = 21
14. Crystal Palace = 20
15. Everton = 17
16. Wolves = 17
17. West Ham United = 16
18. Bournemouth = 14
19. Leeds United = 11
20. Southampton = 11

Every team has played 17 games from this point.

Edited February 20, 20233 yr by Jezz

It’s difficult to remove the emotion from my thoughts. Pre-world cup I gave Potter a lot of slack given the new job, change, fixture congestion, form and injuries. With time I expected to see improvement in the New Year. 

While it takes time to gel, and the influx of signings somewhat compound this, we have regressed. I honestly have no idea what Potters style of football is. We lack any sort of quality or approach to influence a game. Potter’s selections, rotation, poor substitutes and dare I say lack of tactics have pretty much removed my confidence in him. 

I do not think he is up to the challenge. I admire how he maintains his composure, but in what line of work is his level of results acceptable. We’re 25+ games into this now - every week is death by a thousand cuts. 

I want stability at the club desperately, but can’t continue to tolerate what we are seeing. 

The problem is that Potter’s record is becoming indefensible. I’ve never seen a manager turn it around when it has got this bad. It always ends with the manager being sacked. 

1 hour ago, evissy said:

He also saw that the material we have is better suited for 4 at back for long term. 

You sparked some curiosity in me as to what Potter's results look like when he has played with 4 at the back vs when he has played with 5 at the back (3CB plus wing backs)

4 at the Back :

Played 15 Won 5 Drawn 5 Lost 5 Goals For 13 Goals Against 13

 

5 at the Back:

Played 10 Won 4 Drawn 2 Lost 4 Goals For 12 Goals Against 11

 

Slightly better in terms of win rate and % points attained with 5 at the back is the conclusion. Also 1.20 goals scored per game with 5 at the back vs 0.87 goals per game with the extra attacker. Go Graham !  🙂 

1 minute ago, Sexyfootball said:

You sparked some curiosity in me as to what Potter's results look like when he has played with 4 at the back vs when he has played with 5 at the back (3CB plus wing backs)

4 at the Back :

Played 15 Won 5 Drawn 5 Lost 5 Goals For 13 Goals Against 13

 

5 at the Back:

Played 10 Won 4 Drawn 2 Lost 4 Goals For 12 Goals Against 11

 

Slightly better in terms of win rate and % points attained with 5 at the back is the conclusion. Also 1.20 goals scored per game with 5 at the back vs 0.87 goals per game with the extra attacker. Go Graham !  🙂 

4 at back idea is something us Chelsea fans know a lot of from the recent past. We have seen us play the winningest football with that system (TT and Conte) in recent history. 

There is some sort of consensus people want to see 4 at back from us but we have fallen back to 5 at back to make results. 

8 minutes ago, JM7 said:

The problem is that Potter’s record is becoming indefensible. I’ve never seen a manager turn it around when it has got this bad. It always ends with the manager being sacked. 

At Chelsea. You should mention that as well.

2 minutes ago, evissy said:

4 at back idea is something us Chelsea fans know a lot of from the recent past. We have seen us play the winningest football with that system (TT and Conte) in recent history. 

Typo ?

You must mean 5 surely ?

12 minutes ago, abister1 said:

We all experience this as well in our daily lives to a degree, a new work colleague joins the team or manager, we initially assess them based on their history, their background, what they achieved in previous roles but we start to make judgement on their suitability as time starts to pass and we see their work ethic and output. 

They may have great work ethics but not getting results and whilst me may cut them some slack as we realise they have the work ethic required, it doesn't mean we trust their capability to do the job. 

Just to add GP is probably failing in both counts. Well he has already failed on initial assessment but is also failing in ongoing assessment. 

I feel for a genuinely okay bloke put in such a position. No one will turn down such a promotion when job pitched to him but he isn't capable, his records show it and his current performances show it. 

We can only pretend for so long and play the backing the manager card because we want long term stability. No one is gainst stability but the question is about the man you're backing. 

Playing devil's advocate, I don't think we will get relegated but we are closer to relegation positions than top 4. If as some say a turn of good form can still see us get top 4,why can't equally a continuation of a currently bad form land us in relegation zone?

I for one know that no matter what stability is parroted if the club get relegated under GP, he won't be the man at the helm come start of season. But I ask why not him, if stability is what we are after. Obviously it's not going to happen but just trying to illustrate the madness behind calls for stability for a manager who is clearly not the right man, based on his antecedents and current performances, for the job of manager of the number 1 London club in the country. 

27 minutes ago, JM7 said:

The problem is that Potter’s record is becoming indefensible. I’ve never seen a manager turn it around when it has got this bad. It always ends with the manager being sacked. 

The last time I remember any manager being given time was Mourinho second stint, that was an awful season and he fully deserved the sacking by the time it happened. But even then, it wasn’t as bad as this.

We are in new territory now, it’s clear Boehly is going to back Potter, I just really hope we start seeing something soon. Any signs of footballing style forming would Be great.

Senior sources insist there have been a number of instances of Potter becoming upset and having tough conversations with players in the dressing room and during meetings. Potter is described as being intense at Cobham and there are no fears over his mentality. (@Matt_Law_DT)

Feeling inside Chelsea - Potter needs at least one pre season, he was brave to take the Chelsea job, sources noted how top managers don’t take jobs mid season and that Chelsea took a risk. (@Matt_Law_DT)

20 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Typo ?

You must mean 5 surely ?

Sorry I meant 5 at back

Some snippets taken from Telegrapgh article.
 

Boehly and Eghbali are privy to what Potter has been working on and facing behind the scenes. While Chelsea fans understandably bemoaned the team selection for the Southampton game, for which Reece James and Thiago Silva were rested, the owners know exactly why. It is understood that Potter was told James, Silva, Kai Havertz, Raheem Sterling and Mykhaylo Mudryk risked significant injury if they were to start the game, which for James, Silva, Havertz and Mudryk would have been a third in a week.

Rather than put his own position first and take a risk, Potter took the advice of his medical team and ended up paying the price. The board believe Chelsea should have still had enough to beat Southampton, but also recognise that Potter put the club and his players ahead of himself and value that decisions have been taken in collaboration with the board, such as the decision to leave Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang out of the Champions League squad for the knockout stages and not selecting him for the past three league games. Sources at Cobham also claim that training, which has been watched personally by Boehly and Eghbali on a number of occasions, and analysis has been excellent under the former Brighton man and believe the results of repetition and hard work will become apparent in games.

Potter is described as being intense at Cobham and there are no fears over his mentality or concerns that he is being swallowed up by the job.

Chelsea’s owners are understood to be pleased that they do not have a head coach who is prepared to point fingers and throw his players or club staff under the bus when things do not go for him  

Chelsea’s owners knew very well that they had a rebuild on their hands when they bought the club from Abramovich. They also calculated that the rebuild would most likely be painful, given football does not allow for five-year projects. Senior sources have told Telegraph Sport that Boehly and Eghbali calculated that they could rebuild the squad and the football staff in the space of one year and three transfer windows, but that would also bring with it ups and downs. The last couple of months have largely been a considerable down, but there is recognition that some of the work done in last summer’s transfer window, predominantly for Tuchel, has created as many problems as solutions  

Chelsea now believe they have the right support around Potter and that the January signings are players who can thrive under him and in his style, both on and off the pitch. But Potter has not yet had even a full month to work with them and Boehly and Eghbali do not believe sustainable success will come from changing the manager or head coach every six months

 

 

4 hours ago, ozboy said:

I don't see Zidane who has only coached Real Madrid as being at all a good fit at chelsea. I have never thought much of Poch. Flick is to me an unknown but I actually think the team could do with a very clear game plan and some positional discipline and consistency in selection.

There are probably quite a few more temporary choices out there. Van Gaal for instance, even Wenger. Then at the end of the season a proper selection process can be undertaken. Personally I would have touchel back in a heart beat but you can't stand in the same river twice and it wont happen.

For the record my favourite chelsea coaches in time order were Mourinho mk1, Conte and Tuchel. 

No Carlo "the Don" Ancelotti ????

6 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Senior sources insist there have been a number of instances of Potter becoming upset and having tough conversations with players in the dressing room and during meetings. Potter is described as being intense at Cobham and there are no fears over his mentality. (@Matt_Law_DT)

Feeling inside Chelsea - Potter needs at least one pre season, he was brave to take the Chelsea job, sources noted how top managers don’t take jobs mid season and that Chelsea took a risk. (@Matt_Law_DT)

Hahahaha this is a piss take surely? 

3 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Feeling inside Chelsea - Potter needs at least one pre season, he was brave to take the Chelsea job, sources noted how top managers don’t take jobs mid season and that Chelsea took a risk. (@Matt_Law_DT)

I pray for the bravery to one day accept a £10m a year pay rise for a dream job I'm not qualified for and have no chance of ever being able to do adequately but will have to be compensated for 5 years no matter how badly I screw it up.

It reads like we decided to hire Graham Potter because we knew we couldn't get a top manager so the questions are why we fired a top manager and why we have Potter such a ridiculous contract?

Either that or Boehly thought Potter was a top manager but based on his career before coming here that's completely implausible.

1 hour ago, coco said:

No premier league team has ever gone from 10th to relegation in the last 15 games.

"YET" ??

1 minute ago, TimesUpPotter said:

I pray for the bravery to one day accept a £10m a year pay rise for a dream job I'm not qualified for and have no chance of ever being able to do adequately but will have to be compensated for 5 years no matter how badly I screw it up.

It reads like we decided to hire Graham Potter because we knew we couldn't get a top manager so the questions are why we fired a top manager and why we have Potter such a ridiculous contract?

Either that or Boehly thought Potter was a top manager but based on his career before coming here that's completely implausible.

Mid-season when the transfer window had barely been shut as well, not to mention the fact Tuchel took on the job much later than that only two seasons ago, a "top manager" and did a fantastic job.

What a load of f**king waffle. 

45 minutes ago, Jezz said:

PL ladder since Potter became coach:

1. Arsenal = 39
2. Manchester City = 38
3. Manchester United = 37
4. Newcastle United = 34
5. Fulham = 30
6. Tottenham Hotspur = 28
7. Brentford = 26
8. Liverpool = 26
9. Aston Villa = 24
10. Leicester City = 23
11. Brighton = 22
12. Chelsea = 21
13. Nottingham Forest = 21
14. Crystal Palace = 20
15. Everton = 17
16. Wolves = 17
17. West Ham United = 16
18. Bournemouth = 14
19. Leeds United = 11
20. Southampton = 11

Every team has played 17 games from this point.

Fulham have 9 more points than we have in the same period, that is unforgivable 😉