I do find It bemusing though how the media were pulling for Potter to be given a chance at a bigger club. He gets the chance at a big club and they questioned if he'd be given time at Chelsea, but now he's struggling they are changing their views entirely and questioning if he will or should get fired. Unbelievable. 

21 minutes ago, JM7 said:

“Brighton scored 42 times last season in the league, for an average of 1.1 goals per game. Potter's Chelsea average is 0.9 goals per match, with 15 goals in 17 games.

Brighton had 12.9 shots per game last season, but that figure drops to 11.9 for Chelsea under Potter.“

 

The problem has followed him from Brighton to us. 

That was my biggest worry, Tuchel had a problem with the frontline scoring goals too and it was obvious that Potter history didn't seem like the solution to that problem. Though now when we do score goals it's usually an attacker that scores, it doesn't happen as often as it should, not even close.

Crazy that he's still here. Boehly and co don't seem like they will admit to this mistake.

Compare the first manager Roman brought in vs Boehly.

16 hours ago, Ballack & Blu said:

Terrifying to read for Harry, And why did we let Avram go, lost memories in the mists of time

That is bleak. Very bleak.

However if you are thinking in long term and thinking about the things that can help us turn this around: players integrating to the team, country, chelsea. We start to click, we find winning habits. All of this is pretty natural to a young team with about 15 new players (summer+january windows combined). 

If we are training well and the players and coaching staff is good this should/can happen.

My point is we win 8 out of 10 next games. Potters win percentage is then: 27 games, 13 wins = 48%

Furthermore if we win 7 out of 10 in the next games after that it is: 37 games, 20 wins = 54%...

These numbers are not out of some science fiction movie. 

5 minutes ago, evissy said:

That is bleak. Very bleak.

However if you are thinking in long term and thinking about the things that can help us turn this around: players integrating to the team, country, chelsea. We start to click, we find winning habits. All of this is pretty natural to a young team with about 15 new players (summer+january windows combined). 

If we are training well and the players and coaching staff is good this should/can happen.

My point is we win 8 out of 10 next games. Potters win percentage is then: 27 games, 13 wins = 48%

Furthermore if we win 7 out of 10 in the next games after that it is: 37 games, 20 wins = 54%...

These numbers are not out of some science fiction movie. 

That is a mathematical possibility but ignores the predictive ability of the history. It’s not like tossing a coin, bad teams mostly continue to be bad and vice versa. Doesn’t have to be that way, but mostly is. 

Considering how we went in the last 10 games, it's supremely optimistic to think we could win 7-8 games out of the next 10. I mean we already played those 'easy games' against Forest, Fulham, WestHam, Southampton, this weekend we will be playing against a proper team with strikers and something else. Let's score a goal, win a game, and then another game before we even dreaming about a winning streak of some sorts.

A winning streak of 4 matches can only start if we beat Spurs and get all the momentum going from that.

2 hours ago, evissy said:

https://twitter.com/Blue_Footy/status/1627918845418565634?t=MsEzyJu3CotLe7pGfaqdgg&s=19

Make it what you will...but in terms of the sheer number of new players Rio is right. 

Remembering how long it took from Eden to hit full stride...once he did he never looked back.

Hazard was an instant impact.

First 3 league games, he got himself 5 assists and a goal.

1 hour ago, evissy said:

That is bleak. Very bleak.

However if you are thinking in long term and thinking about the things that can help us turn this around: players integrating to the team, country, chelsea. We start to click, we find winning habits. All of this is pretty natural to a young team with about 15 new players (summer+january windows combined). 

If we are training well and the players and coaching staff is good this should/can happen.

My point is we win 8 out of 10 next games. Potters win percentage is then: 27 games, 13 wins = 48%

Furthermore if we win 7 out of 10 in the next games after that it is: 37 games, 20 wins = 54%...

These numbers are not out of some science fiction movie. 

They might be the best fiction, cos those stats don’t lie, I may be taking the piss with his name, but I ain’t said let’s sack him?

9 minutes ago, Ballack & Blu said:

They might be the best fiction, cos those stats don’t lie, I may be taking the piss with his name, but I ain’t said let’s sack him?

You're right, the stats do not lie, Potter has had 17 games.

34 minutes ago, Ballack & Blu said:

They might be the best fiction, cos those stats don’t lie, I may be taking the piss with his name, but I ain’t said let’s sack him?

Shakira said it best when she said 'hips don't lie'. Stats can be deceiving....anyway my point is if we turn this around (hopefully quickly), the stat you posted means f**k all. That of course is if Boehly thanks Potter is the man to lead us Forward.

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

Hazard was an instant impact.

First 3 league games, he got himself 5 assists and a goal.

I miss Eden

Seems to be a few whispers that his job may not be as safe as we think. Wouldn’t be surprised if there’s clauses that if he doesn’t finish in top 4/European spots that he gets a reduced pay out. 

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

Hazard was an instant impact.

First 3 league games, he got himself 5 assists and a goal.

Not sure if it was his first touch but in his first  game for us  I recall a spin in the centre circle and off he went. Magic.  And a few games later a Rabona cross from the goal line. Those were the days. 

Edited February 21, 20233 yr by ozboy

12 minutes ago, cfr95 said:

I miss Eden

Doesn't everyone

 

28 minutes ago, Dubair said:

Seems to be a few whispers that his job may not be as safe as we think. Wouldn’t be surprised if there’s clauses that if he doesn’t finish in top 4/European spots that he gets a reduced pay out. 

Knowing Boehly takes good care of money, this is probably the case. From 2m to 12m a season is a nice payrise for sure but I think there are performance additions attached inside the contract. Same way Boehly is handling player salaries. It seems players' base earnings are lower than before but they will get bonuses from good performances (winning pl or cl)....

36 minutes ago, Bebe1980 said:

Doesn't everyone

 

Pretty sure even Eden himself misses us considering how badly he has done ever since leaving. 

The board are grasping at straws.

 

They hope wins against Spuds and or Dortmund will shut fans up, they will even try to twist good performances to try to turn the tide. Right now good performances in my eyes are player sparked not the Manager.

The problem they have is

- 80% of Fans now realise he isn't good enough and never will be. The media bullsh*t about his excellence at Brighton isn't supported by data. He had a 6 game run, that's what Todd jumped at, Brighton now has a higher goal tally since he left 39 to our 21.

-Potter is not the man to build a new project around, he isn't Pep and he doesn't have the Passion of Arteta.

- He has lost the players, it's clear as day.

- The only way he gets the dressing room back is by Todd buying a whole new team in one window.

- My only hope at this stage is we have a clause in his contract to get rid of cheap say if we don't get the champions league.

- The guy has no personality or Gravitas and respect isn't earned by being moody or however, they described him.

 

If we stick with him for years at best we will be mid-table, and breaking back into the top tier will take years. At worst if the current form continues we could be relegation fodder this year or next, it's really that awful.

1 minute ago, smileysmiles said:

The board are grasping at straws.

 

They hope wins against Spuds and or Dortmund will shut fans up, they will even try to twist good performances to try to turn the tide. Right now good performances in my eyes are player sparked not the Manager.

The problem they have is

- 80% of Fans now realise he isn't good enough and never will be. The media bullsh*t about his excellence at Brighton isn't supported by data. He had a 6 game run, that's what Todd jumped at, Brighton now has a higher goal tally since he left 39 to our 21.

-Potter is not the man to build a new project around, he isn't Pep and he doesn't have the Passion of Arteta.

- He has lost the players, it's clear as day.

- The only way he gets the dressing room back is by Todd buying a whole new team in one window.

- My only hope at this stage is we have a clause in his contract to get rid of cheap say if we don't get the champions league.

- The guy has no personality or Gravitas and respect isn't earned by being moody or however, they described him.

 

If we stick with him for years at best we will be mid-table, and breaking back into the top tier will take years. At worst if the current form continues we could be relegation fodder this year or next, it's really that awful.

This. IMO everyone who defends the guy is clueless. It might sound harsh but Graham Potter is just not fit to coach a top-6 PL side. The Graham Potter era is over. The players don't buy into him. The fans don't respect him. The results are terrible. There is no way turning it around. Every day he isn't sacked is a day wasted. The longer he stays the harder it will be to recover. Just end this misery.

4 hours ago, enigma said:

I do find It bemusing though how the media were pulling for Potter to be given a chance at a bigger club. He gets the chance at a big club and they questioned if he'd be given time at Chelsea, but now he's struggling they are changing their views entirely and questioning if he will or should get fired. Unbelievable. 

Weird how we all see different things.

I've seen a ridiculous level of protection for him from the media and pundits for someone who's managed as many losses & draws with such a terrible goal-scoring record, whereas Nuno at Tottenham got slaughtered and was rightfully sacked. 

3 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

Hazard was an instant impact.

First 3 league games, he got himself 5 assists and a goal.

I only remember Hazard getting battered for the back heel he did in the Community Shield, in a game he played very well in. Hazard was also really good in the pre-season.

That season we signed about 4-5 brand new attackers for high prices (relative to the time we signed them), and as much imbalance as there was under Di Matteo, the attack was still producing quality and we were scoring a lot of goals, we just weren't winning games to the standard that we needed. The 3-0 Juventus loss pretty much sealed Di Matteo's fate and he was rightfully sacked as he wasn't good enough to take this team to the next level unfortunately. 

A bit similar to now, we have lots of new attackers but besides their debuts, they can't really get going at all, whereas, with the exception of Marko Marin who never played, Hazard, Oscar, Moses were playing well. It's still early days, but our attackers just aren't clicking at all at the minute, and if we can't do that against this Southampton side I do worry about the remainder of the season. 

It's not so much the draws and losses that are concerning me, it's the goals, the lack of goals is massively worrying. 

1 hour ago, evissy said:

Knowing Boehly takes good care of money, this is probably the case. From 2m to 12m a season is a nice payrise for sure but I think there are performance additions attached inside the contract. Same way Boehly is handling player salaries. It seems players' base earnings are lower than before but they will get bonuses from good performances (winning pl or cl)....

If there are performance related additons attached, presumably he's earning about the same as he was at Brighton, or even a little less 

2 hours ago, evissy said:

Knowing Boehly takes good care of money, this is probably the case. From 2m to 12m a season is a nice payrise for sure but I think there are performance additions attached inside the contract. Same way Boehly is handling player salaries. It seems players' base earnings are lower than before but they will get bonuses from good performances (winning pl or cl)....

I hope that’s the case. But based on Potter and the players nonchalance, I think it’s unlikely although I hope I’m worng

1 hour ago, smileysmiles said:

They hope wins against Spuds and or Dortmund will shut fans up,

So you are suggesting the wins wont shut the fans up ? That says it all about the bottlers, they wont even celebrate a victory against our arch enemies and a place in the last 8 in the CL, pathetic and not real fans of the club imo.

20 minutes ago, coco said:

So you are suggesting the wins wont shut the fans up ? That says it all about the bottlers, they wont even celebrate a victory against our arch enemies and a place in the last 8 in the CL, pathetic and not real fans of the club imo.

Lol be happy for the 3 points further from relegation, however, be more worried about Potter staying longer in our club will cause. he isn't good enough and 3 wins in 15 rather than 2 wins in 14 won't prove he is, but that is what the board will try to spin it as, so they don't have to own up to the £100mil hole they left us in by recruiting Potter.