38 minutes ago, evissy said:

https://twitter.com/siphillipssport/status/1628687243907825665?t=zH0_hsIYP5ptXsDp7M8K3g&s=19

Again..make it what you will.. what is good for long term here is players are not against him. Coaches like JM, TT and Conte are usually failing here. They say something you can't take back. Weirdly Pep and Klopp are very good with this.

Concerning here is if some players don't believe his footballing side is up to par. Players like Azpilicueta and Silva have seen a ton of managers and they know who is good and who is not. It all stems from their leadership. Sterling knows what makes Pep such a good manager.

The second tweet beneath the first is more telling. Is there a world where Graham Potter will ever compete with Pep Guardiola or Klopp? Do you ever envision Potter winning a tactical battle against Pep or Ancelotti? Not in a million years.

The funny thing is the next manager will come in as we have all our key players back to fitness, then start performing and praise the new manager if we start winning games.

Unfortunately I do think Potter has been unfortunate due to the previous ownership leaving the squad in a poor condition along with constant injury issues. I would have preferred to see him oversee a fit squad and preseason, but we are where we are now. 

38 minutes ago, I am a CPA said:

The second tweet beneath the first is more telling. Is there a world where Graham Potter will ever compete with Pep Guardiola or Klopp? Do you ever envision Potter winning a tactical battle against Pep or Ancelotti? Not in a million years.

A tactical battle with those managers? Yes. That's actually one of his strengths (and one of Peps biggest weaknesses which is why City have won 1 fa cup and 0 champs league under Pep)

Can he create the structure that sees us get 90+ points? That's the bigger question and where my concerns are.

You don't win league titles by winning one off tactical battles. You win it by creating a winning machine. 

21 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

A tactical battle with those managers? Yes. That's actually one of his strengths (and one of Peps biggest weaknesses which is why City have won 1 fa cup and 0 champs league under Pep)

Can he create the structure that sees us get 90+ points? That's the bigger question and where my concerns are.

You don't win league titles by winning one off tactical battles. You win it by creating a winning machine. 

With a career Premier League win rate bumping along in the high 20s, he's not winning many tactical battles, and there is very little track record to suggest he can even land a domestic cup let alone create a winning machine to get the 28+ wins out of 38 games needed to win a league title ... 

GP has come up against 7 Premier League opponents in the domestic cups while managing Brighton and Chelsea, and has lost every single time, losing tactical battles against Dean Smith, Brendan Rodgers (twice), Ole Gunnar Solsjaer, Antonio Conte and Pep Guardiola (twice ... match aggregate 0-6), and as Brighton manager he also got done at home by Garry Monk managing Championship side Sheffield Wednesday in the FA Cup as well.

 

16 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

With a career Premier League win rate bumping along in the high 20s, he's not winning many tactical battles, and there is very little track record to suggest he can even land a domestic cup let alone create a winning machine to get the 28+ wins out of 38 games needed to win a league title ... 

GP has come up against 7 Premier League opponents in the domestic cups while managing Brighton and Chelsea, and has lost every single time, losing tactical battles against Dean Smith, Brendan Rodgers (twice), Ole Gunnar Solsjaer, Antonio Conte and Pep Guardiola (twice ... match aggregate 0-6), and as Brighton manager he also got done at home by Garry Monk managing Championship side Sheffield Wednesday in the FA Cup as well.

 

Off the top of my head he totally outfoxed Conte in the league last season at WHL and Jose at The Amex the year before, has a strong record against Klopp, drew all his three games against Tuchel's Chelsea arguably being the better side in all three, wiped the floor with Ten Hag in his own pitch and beat Stefano Pioli twice within weeks of arriving here.

When we got Potter I read stories where his Brighton was 4th in the league and thriving and being one of the most exciting managers available and an Englishman... when I read about him now he has the worst track-record any manager or man has ever had and was beaten by Simon's cousins firstborn who was crippled by blindness and ability to speak.

6 minutes ago, evissy said:

When we got Potter I read stories where his Brighton was 4th in the league and thriving and being one of the most exciting managers available and an Englishman... when I read about him now he has the worst track-record any manager or man has ever had and was beaten by Simon's cousins firstborn who was crippled by blindness and ability to speak.

Brighton in 4th and thriving 6 games into a league season isn't really a real measure of the team or manager's ability. 

1 hour ago, Argo said:

Off the top of my head he totally outfoxed Conte in the league last season at WHL and Jose at The Amex the year before, has a strong record against Klopp, drew all his three games against Tuchel's Chelsea arguably being the better side in all three, wiped the floor with Ten Hag in his own pitch and beat Stefano Pioli twice within weeks of arriving here.

I was curious and watched the highlights of him "outfoxing" Conte. All I saw was Tottenham having the better chances and Brighton scoring a lucky late winner. Not sure if that is the best example as to how Potter is a great coach. Tottenham also managed a convincing win away at Brighton last season.

25 minutes ago, reparto corse said:

I was curious and watched the highlights of him "outfoxing" Conte. All I saw was Tottenham having the better chances and Brighton scoring a lucky late winner. Not sure if that is the best example as to how Potter is a great coach. Tottenham also managed a convincing win away at Brighton last season.

12 shots 5 on target for Brighton

5 shots 0 on target for Spurs

Brighton also "won" on XG, admittedly also under 1.

53 minutes ago, Argo said:

12 shots 5 on target for Brighton

5 shots 0 on target for Spurs

Brighton also "won" on XG, admittedly also under 1.

Fair enough. Didn't look like that in the highlights. 

2 hours ago, Argo said:

Off the top of my head he totally outfoxed Conte in the league last season at WHL and Jose at The Amex the year before, has a strong record against Klopp, drew all his three games against Tuchel's Chelsea arguably being the better side in all three, wiped the floor with Ten Hag in his own pitch and beat Stefano Pioli twice within weeks of arriving here.

I didn't say he wasn't winning any tactical battles ... I just said he wasn't winning many. Brighton won 12 games in the PL last season, which, for context, was three less than Wolves, one less than Brentford and Aston Villa, and one more than FSW and Frank managed at Everton. 

In both the domestic Cups, he hasn't won any tactical battles at all against PL opposition. 0 out of 7 in his career to date. 

I don't think he will win the league in the next 5 years, and I have my doubts in the cups as well. Hopefully he proves me wrong !

 

19 minutes ago, reparto corse said:

Fair enough. Didn't look like that in the highlights. 

My main takeaway from the highlights of that game on Youtube was how sh*t Cucurella looked LOL. First  was a shot that would have gone out for a throw, and then he got absolutely skinned for one of the Spurs chances. Certainly unfortunate "highlights" for Cucu LOL

this makes me nostalgic, wish we can go back to a team like this

Edited February 23, 20233 yr by azpi28

4 hours ago, enigma said:

The funny thing is the next manager will come in as we have all our key players back to fitness, then start performing and praise the new manager if we start winning games.

Unfortunately I do think Potter has been unfortunate due to the previous ownership leaving the squad in a poor condition along with constant injury issues. I would have preferred to see him oversee a fit squad and preseason, but we are where we are now. 

The poor condition squad left by the previous owners were able to win the Champions league and two other trophies in a year? Stop making unfounded excuses for Potters incompetence 

44 minutes ago, Edjmendy said:

The poor condition squad left by the previous owners were able to win the Champions league and two other trophies in a year? Stop making unfounded excuses for Potters incompetence 

So you think the last 6 months were all Tuchels fault then.

 

16 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

 

The first question we need to ask - Is the manager upto Chelsea standard or is he bringing the team down to his own level ?

29 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

 

Sorry but I don't buy that.

We have Thiago Silva in this squad and had Terry in 15/16. In what way would Rudiger succeed where two all time great leaders failed? 

Edited February 23, 20233 yr by Argo

3 minutes ago, Argo said:

Sorry but I don't buy that.

We have Thiago Silva in this squad and had Terry in 15/16. In what way would Rudiger succeed where those two failed? 

More clickbait made up trash from The Athletic by the look of it ... 

Life would be so much better and simpler if everyone just deleted Twitter ... 

Edited February 23, 20233 yr by Sexyfootball

49 minutes ago, Argo said:

Sorry but I don't buy that.

We have Thiago Silva in this squad and had Terry in 15/16. In what way would Rudiger succeed where two all time great leaders failed? 

TBF Rudiger and Silva have different styles of leadership. Silva is more act by example and brings the team up with him while Rudiger is more the Roy Keane type that probably isn't afraid to knock some sense into people. Rudiger was clearly a large part of our success under Tuchel and losing him is a loss the club is still feeling IMO.

1 hour ago, azpi28 said:

this makes me nostalgic, wish we can go back to a team like this

Great video. Love his analysis. 

 

- Terry really was a leader of Men. 

- Chelsea old guard kept the winning mentality alive despite the 11-12 managers that came and gone. 

- Lampard truly was the greatest professional. 

- Ancelotti the best man manager. Rafa Benitez the worst, border line Awful

- Roman was very involved when the team was under performing. When the helicopter flew in, they knew the manager was going to get sacked. 

- Shearer, Gascoigne, and Mikel are the only 3 players to turn down Sir Alex Ferguson. 

 

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

More clickbait made up trash from The Athletic by the look of it ... 

Life would be so much better and simpler if everyone just deleted Twitter ... 

The athletic is usually good but unsure what that article is on 

“Potter is affable, approachable,” says one club employee. “Not like a bear with a sore head. There are no barriers. 

One source close to a senior player, speaking anonymously to protect relationships, tells The Athletic: “From what I hear or gather, I don’t get the impression Potter is saying that much to the players. He doesn’t strike me as a personable character that says a lot.

PICK A LANE!

 

34 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

TBF Rudiger and Silva have different styles of leadership. Silva is more act by example and brings the team up with him while Rudiger is more the Roy Keane type that probably isn't afraid to knock some sense into people. Rudiger was clearly a large part of our success under Tuchel and losing him is a loss the club is still feeling IMO.

Even if we take Silva out there's still the JT comparison for 15/16, also Liverpool have many leaders in their squad yet they haven't managed to prevent their huge decline. If we look further afield Puyol was at Barca when they were crap around 2003 and Chilleni couldn't prevent the Juve mess of Pirlo/Allegri 2.0.

I'm not saying he doesn't have some characteristics we miss but force of personality can only go so far if the results don't quickly arrive especially if the performances of said player isn't setting the standards (which judging by Rudi's performances whenever things went south with him here wouldn't have).

I personally don't understand the sentiment where fans are given so much power... I personally hope they don't flinch. It is their project. If they believe the project they should go on with it even if fans can't take losses.

Especially reading the absolute horror in this forum...

 

2 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Great video. Love his analysis. 

 

- Terry really was a leader of Men. 

- Chelsea old guard kept the winning mentality alive despite the 11-12 managers that came and gone. 

- Lampard truly was the greatest professional. 

- Ancelotti the best man manager. Rafa Benitez the worst, border line Awful

- Roman was very involved when the team was under performing. When the helicopter flew in, they knew the manager was going to get sacked. 

- Shearer, Gascoigne, and Mikel are the only 3 players to turn down Sir Alex Ferguson. 

 

Most interesting take for me was when he mentioned they were always fighting in the dressing room and he punches his arms around to demonstrate 😅, just goes to show it’s not always necessarily a bad thing. As for KDB & Salah, Mourinho really was the worst coach those kind of personalities could have had, I don’t buy the idea of he was the making of them and they needed the setback, as the cream always rises to the top.