44 minutes ago, smileysmiles said:

Lol be happy for the 3 points further from relegation, however, be more worried about Potter staying longer in our club will cause. he isn't good enough and 3 wins in 15 rather than 2 wins in 14 won't prove he is, but that is what the board will try to spin it as, so they don't have to own up to the £100mil hole they left us in by recruiting Potter. 

Whilst I'm in the camp of "Southampton settled it for me" I do ask whether 7 wins in the next 10 and a champions league semi final would make you think he's good enough?

Or would you spin that as it's only 9 wins in 25?

It's just all very AVB and Lampard esq. The football, the way he carries himself, etc.

Writing on the wall it seems. 

6 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Whilst I'm in the camp of "Southampton settled it for me" I do ask whether 7 wins in the next 10 and a champions league semi final would make you think he's good enough?

Or would you spin that as it's only 9 wins in 25?

would that persuade you that you could build an empire at Chelsea like pep has at city or are we settling for average? ultimately that's the question now. I don't think Potter will ever be that person.

17 minutes ago, smileysmiles said:

would that persuade you that you could build an empire at Chelsea like pep has at city or are we settling for average? ultimately that's the question now. I don't think Potter will ever be that person.

If we won 7 of our next 10 and reached the champs league semi final, I think there's enough there for him to carry on next season yes. 

I don't think that'll happen. But Ive already accepted that I know f**k all about football because I wanted Potter to be our manager. 

Not totally convinced as no big outlets are reporting and confirming it but at least it’s a sign the board understand what needs to be done. I do feel this is the job that could define Luis Enrique’s career, there would be a clear style of play and tactically he would match up with the other elite managers.

6 minutes ago, Term_X said:

Not totally convinced as no big outlets are reporting and confirming it but at least it’s a sign the board understand what needs to be done. I do feel this is the job that could define Luis Enrique’s career, there would be a clear style of play and tactically he would match up with the other elite managers.

Thank god. Not sure what the sudden obsession with Poch is on here.

4 hours ago, reparto corse said:

This. IMO everyone who defends the guy is clueless. It might sound harsh but Graham Potter is just not fit to coach a top-6 PL side. The Graham Potter era is over. The players don't buy into him. The fans don't respect him. The results are terrible. There is no way turning it around. Every day he isn't sacked is a day wasted. The longer he stays the harder it will be to recover. Just end this misery.

If Spurs trash us 4:0 then you know it's done. But if we win, there is hope that things start to go Potter's way.

16 minutes ago, Term_X said:

Not totally convinced as no big outlets are reporting and confirming it but at least it’s a sign the board understand what needs to be done. I do feel this is the job that could define Luis Enrique’s career, there would be a clear style of play and tactically he would match up with the other elite managers.

If this is true then it talks a lot about our owners, first sacking Tuchel and giving Potter a 12m a year contract and then starting talks with Pochettino? Sounds like the people at the top are a bit lost at sea doesn't it?

To be honest I am a little shocked he hasn't had the boot already. The run of bad form is quite staggering. 

The real rot began when we got spanked by his old team back at the end of October. Since then we have played 15 games domestically. Of those games we have won one game. A narrow victory against Palace, we have lost 10 and drawn 4. In that time we have been knocked out of both cups and completely condemned ourself to missing out on European football next year. If we performed like this for the entirety of a Premier League season we would muster 17 or 18 points. That's last place by a mile.

Additionally we have had a win and a loss in Europe, unconvincingly scraped past Zagreb at home and a loss to Dortmund. 

This really is beyond belief, and I can't remember anything quite this bad, even when Mourinho went into full capitulation about 6 yrs back.

14 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

If this is true then it talks a lot about our owners, first sacking Tuchel and giving Potter a 12m a year contract and then starting talks with Pochettino? Sounds like the people at the top are a bit lost at sea doesn't it?

For me it's no problem aslong as we keep hiring managers on a similar path.

As much as I don't rate Pochettino as much as many he would have us pressing well and has a record of developing players, although big big doubts over his record in the market and I don't rate his ability in breaking down packed defenses.

If we go for a Mourinho, Simeone type that's when alarm bells would start ringing for me.

10 minutes ago, Argo said:

For me it's no problem aslong as we keep hiring managers on a similar path.

As much as I don't rate Pochettino as much as many he would have us pressing well and has a record of developing players, although big big doubts over his record in the market and I don't rate his ability in breaking down packed defenses.

If we go for a Mourinho, Simeone type that's when alarm bells would start ringing for me.

For me one of the reasons to stick with Potter until the summer is because I don't see any available coach that convinces me or that would want to come. I don't rate Pochettino to come here long term, and he's rejected us anyway. I don't want Mourinho back, and Simeone would only be available in the summer and I really, really don't want him here. Zidane is not coming to the UK, I just don't think he's interested in the PL or us. I wouldn't mind Flick coming, but who knows how he'd do at the PL or whether he's a long term character.

5 minutes ago, RMH said:

For me one of the reasons to stick with Potter until the summer is because I don't see any available coach that convinces me or that would want to come. I don't rate Pochettino to come here long term, and he's rejected us anyway. I don't want Mourinho back, and Simeone would only be available in the summer and I really, really don't want him here. Zidane is not coming to the UK, I just don't think he's interested in the PL or us. I wouldn't mind Flick coming, but who knows how he'd do at the PL or whether he's a long term character.

I think Flick has already intimated that he wouldn't contemplate leaving Germany until after the Euros

17 minutes ago, Argo said:

For me it's no problem aslong as we keep hiring managers on a similar path.

As much as I don't rate Pochettino as much as many he would have us pressing well and has a record of developing players, although big big doubts over his record in the market and I don't rate his ability in breaking down packed defenses.

If we go for a Mourinho, Simeone type that's when alarm bells would start ringing for me.

I'm convinced that if we get Pochettino that it would be a move out of a pure desperation. Maybe that's just me but if they appoint him it would be a sign that the owners are missing a lot of context as if they just came yesterday which is kinda what they did but that shouldn't be an excuse for them, he was the one that replaced Tuchel in PSG and he finished 2nd in the league. It would mean that twice he comes after where Tuchel has been if we just for a second forget about Potter. Something would be very wrong.

There's rumors Poch is only waiting for a Spurs return. Flick won't leave Germany until after the Euros. 

There is then Luis Enrique but I am totally unconvinced in his football along with his way in the market. 

https://twitter.com/Blue_Footy/status/1628090064059105286?t=ighDrIVyl97SrzdxX20CnA&s=19

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

There's rumors Poch is only waiting for a Spurs return. Flick won't leave Germany until after the Euros. 

There is then Luis Enrique but I am totally unconvinced in his football along with his way in the market. 

My concern with Enrique is that we might look a little bit better in possession but we would still be totally toothless and it would be death by boredom.

I think that the most important thing is not to deviate from the objective and the project. The plan is good. We just need to have the right person in place.

I have no problem in failing whilst trying to implement a new style, providing it is clear what that style is meant to be. My issue is that our guy looks like a drowning man coming up for air and grabbing onto anything he can get purchase on to stay afloat.

1 hour ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Thank god. Not sure what the sudden obsession with Poch is on here.

Yeah many seem to thing Potter is a lame duck, a loser. He may well prove them right.

Poch already has shown he is by losing 2 one horse title races with Spurs and PSG.

Can't we just hire Tuchel back? He's way better than the options currently being listed. PSG seem to realise their mistake in firing him, why can't we?

Just now, Drogba1 said:

Can't we just hire Tuchel back? He's way better than the options currently being listed. PSG seem to realise their mistake in firing him, why can't we?

Because few reports suggested Tuchel was against the new model ownership are implementing, which is a data driven & collaborative way of working towards player recruitment with it being a much wider team project. 

If he didn't see eye to eye with what Boehly invested billions in, what choice did they have?

9 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Because few reports suggested Tuchel was against the new model ownership are implementing, which is a data driven & collaborative way of working towards player recruitment with it being a much wider team project. 

If he didn't see eye to eye with what Boehly invested billions in, what choice did they have?

From what Tuchel said after the sacking it seemed he wanted to be part of the project. If Boehly had issues with Tuchel he could've called an emergency meeting to iron those issues out, instead he sacked him without warning.

 

If Boehly had shown Tuchel even a shred of the faith he's currently showing Potter, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in right now.

24 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Can't we just hire Tuchel back? He's way better than the options currently being listed. PSG seem to realise their mistake in firing him, why can't we?

I don't see it happening. New owners don't like strong characters. New vision, we just can't see it. It's a new Chelsea thing.

7 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

From what Tuchel said after the sacking it seemed he wanted to be part of the project. If Boehly had issues with Tuchel he could've called an emergency meeting to iron those issues out, instead he sacked him without warning.

 

If Boehly had shown Tuchel even a shred of the faith he's currently showing Potter, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in right now.

Quite clearly you're only reading and believing things that reinforce your own narrative. 

Tuchel and the board didn't align on a vision. That's all that matters.

If I believed everything I read that reinforces a narrative that makes me comfortable id say tuchel alienated everyone at the club, refused to engage on transfers and pushed some awful transfer decisions all the while overseeing some pretty awful results against teams performing as badly as Southampton this season. 

But as I don't trust everything that I read, ill just say that there was clearly a disconnect and it wasn't going to be easily fixed. 

Edited February 21, 20233 yr by bisright1

Outside of Enrique, De Zerbi would be an astute appointment, with Tottenham & Juventus and every other Italian club already circling him, appreciate it would make us a bit of a laughing stock for a while (Bright yet again memes) but he’s a genuine elite tactician; the idea of him being at a big club is mouth watering. 

4 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Quite clearly you're only reading and believing things that reinforce your own narrative. 

Tuchel and the board didn't align on a vision. That's all that matters.

If I believed everything I read that reinforces a narrative that makes me comfortable id say tuchel alienated everyone at the club, refused to engage on transfers and pushed some awful transfer decisions all the while overseeing some pretty awful results against teams performing as badly as Southampton this season. 

But as I don't trust everything that I read, and just think that there was clearly a disconnect and it wasn't going to be easily fixed. 

It's more like he told at the owners they know nothing about football and he didn't want ronaldo. They spent a sh*t tonne on dregs after sacking Buck, Marina and Cech so this was before we even had a recruitment team in place. It's not fair the way Tuchel was treated, in the same way its not fair the way Potter gets so much backing.

The club has lost its identity and should have been transitioned instead by keeping the old guard at least for the summer window. I doubt Marina would've given KK 300k pw, it's like Todd just made offers and everyone bit his hand off. We will be paying for these decisions for the next 8 years or however long that donkey Maduekes contract is. 

41 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Quite clearly you're only reading and believing things that reinforce your own narrative. 

Tuchel and the board didn't align on a vision. That's all that matters.

If I believed everything I read that reinforces a narrative that makes me comfortable id say tuchel alienated everyone at the club, refused to engage on transfers and pushed some awful transfer decisions all the while overseeing some pretty awful results against teams performing as badly as Southampton this season. 

But as I don't trust everything that I read, ill just say that there was clearly a disconnect and it wasn't going to be easily fixed. 

What vision is that exactly? And what is Potter doing that aligns with our 'vision', finishing mid table? We have a team to handle transfers now, why didn't we do that in the summer? 

It seems like the rift mainly came from Tuchel not wanting to sign Ronaldo more than anything.