4 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

I must confes I have now developed this totally irrational desire for Forest to go down now. Simply because they won't play our player. Makes no sense, I appreciate that but there you have it....fck em

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But we won't play him either!

10 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Hmm I saw it more as the committee each got who they wanted. Caicedo  (Winstanley), Lavia (Shields) and Ugochukwu (Stewart). 

Well publicized each pushed for the respective player.

Yes, everyone buy their wonder kids at premium price, and leave the selection problems to the manager. Not having a go at Ugochukwu, but Santos could perform that role too of some cameos and odd starts

Called back from loan!

7 minutes ago, Modueke said:

Called back from loan!

Played just 12 minutes of Premier League football. That's shocking. 

 

I assume he will go out on loan to another team second half of the season. Hopefully the next loan works out better.

4 minutes ago, forbzy said:

I assume he will go out on loan to another team second half of the season. Hopefully the next loan works out better.

He certainly won't be getting his Chelsea #20 shirt back 🙂 

2 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Played just 12 minutes of Premier League football. That's shocking. 

 

Also means he cannot play for us if we intend on him going out on loan.

We should recall DD fofana from his useless loan and let Santos go to Strasbourg. At least then we know he gets games.

3 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Played just 12 minutes of Premier League football. That's shocking. 

 

True, and when I last looked some of the others on loan abroad were hardly getting game time either.  Dunno how anyone can develop in those situations 

2 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

True, and when I last looked some of the others on loan abroad were hardly getting game time either.  Dunno how anyone can develop in those situations 

They haven't really handled the step up. The most surprising for me is actually Webster. 

2 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

They haven't really handled the step up. The most surprising for me is actually Webster. 

If the stats I just looked at are correct , Charlie has had only 100 mins of playing time so far this season. 

Some development the lad is getting over there in Holland 

Might as well stay with all the injuries and could give poch more options if he wants to play with 3 midfielders.

If Lavia and ugo are going to stay injured Santos may as well stay. 

Can he play at full back? Left or right, it doesn’t matter.

8 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

They haven't really handled the step up. The most surprising for me is actually Webster. 

I reckon it’s more a case of we shouldn't expect clubs to develop players for us. There is a reason clubs don't stockpile players to loan out. 

16 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

If the stats I just looked at are correct , Charlie has had only 100 mins of playing time so far this season. 

Some development the lad is getting over there in Holland 

Tbf I thought he'd do very well there much like Mount. 

11 hours ago, ducavis said:

I reckon it’s more a case of we shouldn't expect clubs to develop players for us. There is a reason clubs don't stockpile players to loan out. 

It not a one sided transaction though is it? Its the exact reason a loan market exists, we have players that need game time and another club needs players but can't afford to purchase the quality that they need. 

There needs to be a huge amount of accountability on those decided where we loan the players but it seems odd that clubs would take on a loan if they have no interest in giving the player a chance. 

Loans have always been hit or miss. It is one thing sending out academy prospects on loan for some first team experience. But that is now complicated with our policy of signing so many raw, young players, aligned with the limitations on the amount of loans allowed. In future I am not sure it is going to be possible to give so many of these young players adequate playing time, while keeping them on our books. Most likely we will need to incorporate some of these players into our youth setup instead e.g. u21 competitions.

It remains to be seen whether many of these young South American players will make it with us, but history suggests that most will not.

 

22 hours ago, Munkunku said:

Can he play at full back? Left or right, it doesn’t matter.

Probably not, but that won't stop Poch.

We have so n my many out on loan it must be impossible to monitor correctly.

If we loan players that cost 9 figures combined then we should be seriously vetting the clubs we send them to. From our perspective game time must be one of our priorities for our loanees. 
 

Santos should have went to a Chsmpionship club considering his experience, or lack of, first team football in Brazil.

Scotland too should be a league Chelsea consider blooding young players into first team football. The quality isn’t anything recognisable compared to the EPL but it’s nowhere near as bad as people in England think. Plenty of successes in the recent past. Maddison would probably be the best example. The pace of the game in Scotland is also quicker than the continent which helps getting them ready for the EPL. I think the pace of a premier league game is one of the hardest aspects of the game to get to grips with for young players from Europe and beyond.

We are heavily dependent on the clubs we loan players to actually playing them. If they don’t then what’s the point? Asking Santos to come over here and command a first team place in the EPL immediately is madness when he’d only played a handful of first team games in Brazil. Either of the ugly sisters up here would have taken him I reckon and given him game time with European football too. Maybe a club like Forest the year after before being ready to challenge at Chelsea. So many of our loanees go to clubs and don’t play. That’s got to change.

9 hours ago, 19seventyone said:

We have so n my many out on loan it must be impossible to monitor correctly.

If we loan players that cost 9 figures combined then we should be seriously vetting the clubs we send them to. From our perspective game time must be one of our priorities for our loanees. 
 

Santos should have went to a Chsmpionship club considering his experience, or lack of, first team football in Brazil.

Scotland too should be a league Chelsea consider blooding young players into first team football. The quality isn’t anything recognisable compared to the EPL but it’s nowhere near as bad as people in England think. Plenty of successes in the recent past. Maddison would probably be the best example. The pace of the game in Scotland is also quicker than the continent which helps getting them ready for the EPL. I think the pace of a premier league game is one of the hardest aspects of the game to get to grips with for young players from Europe and beyond.

We are heavily dependent on the clubs we loan players to actually playing them. If they don’t then what’s the point? Asking Santos to come over here and command a first team place in the EPL immediately is madness when he’d only played a handful of first team games in Brazil. Either of the ugly sisters up here would have taken him I reckon and given him game time with European football too. Maybe a club like Forest the year after before being ready to challenge at Chelsea. So many of our loanees go to clubs and don’t play. That’s got to change.

With all due respect, it's not difficult to assign a scout to each loanee. 

The problem has always been sending players to the wrong clubs. I remember complaining about this almost 10 years ago.

I wouldn't have sent Santos to any club in England, priority should have been Portugal, but if I recall correctly we seem to allow players to choose where they want to go which explains some of the failed loans. 

Edited January 5, 20242 yr by Remodez

51 minutes ago, Remodez said:

With all due respect, it's not difficult to assign a scout to each loanee. 

The problem has always been sending players to the wrong clubs. I remember complaining about this almost 10 years ago.

I wouldn't have sent Santos to any club in England, priority should have been Portugal, but if I recall correctly we seem to allow players to choose where they want to go which explains some of the failed loans. 

Isn't there a limit on foreign loans now? Pretty sure failing to sell Lukaku/Ziyech and loaning them abroad limited our options. 

The bigger concern is that Santos couldn't force his way into that bang average Forest midfield in the form they were in under Cooper.

21 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Isn't there a limit on foreign loans now? Pretty sure failing to sell Lukaku/Ziyech and loaning them abroad limited our options. 

The bigger concern is that Santos couldn't force his way into that bang average Forest midfield in the form they were in under Cooper.

There is but nothing proper planning can't get around. Why did we loan out Charlie Webster to Holland when we were already planning, I assume, on bringing in more foreign players and sorting out their loans. Even if the club assumed someone would take Lukaku and Ziyech, it would have been prudent to sort them out first before limiting yourself to foreign loans. 

Santos just had one season in Brazil, how did the club expect him to get into a relegation fighting team. Especially when they were already signing so many players. 

 

Might need him to stick around with both Lesley and Romeo out for 6 weeks. Which in Chrlsea terms means 3 months.

10 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Might need him to stick around with both Lesley and Romeo out for 6 weeks. Which in Chrlsea terms means 3 months.

I heard on London is Blue podcast he is likely off for Brazil youth shortly for some qualifying, returning in Feb.