8 hours ago, Jangz said:

He is not a 10.. why the insistence to play him there… switch with Gallagher… 

Deop one of the 3 CBs.. and play chilwell LB.. 

Gallagher's limitations in the 10 role have been clear and obvious.

On 19/09/2023 at 08:15, RIP Mourinho said:

False 9, CF, same thing different name. Point is he's there to score the goals in his current role.

I don't even particularly love Enzo, that's @Gol15. I wouldn't swap him for Jude though. Complete different profile of players, they'd compliment each other well in a midfield 3 with someone holding. Enzo is every bit as talented as Jude though, worth just as much. Obviously paid a WC winner tax but that's not our concern.

We'd be having the same issues if we had Bellingham instead of Enzo.

For the money Madrid spent on Bellingham, in comparison to what we spent on Enzo... Real got the much, much better deal. We spent 105 million on a younger version of Didier Deschamp. Enzo is top end water cooler, Bellingham a vending machine full of different flavoured drinks. 

Put it this way,, you build an entire side around a player like Bellingham, you dont around Enzo. you bring a player like Enzo in to compliment a player like Bellingham... for 105 million, I expect a player who can score from midfield or at least create goals for others. Our owners are complete and utter fu**tards and I wish they had found another club to wash their cash through. 

12 hours ago, olderschoolcfc said:

For the money Madrid spent on Bellingham, in comparison to what we spent on Enzo... Real got the much, much better deal. We spent 105 million on a younger version of Didier Deschamp. Enzo is top end water cooler, Bellingham a vending machine full of different flavoured drinks. 

Put it this way,, you build an entire side around a player like Bellingham, you dont around Enzo. you bring a player like Enzo in to compliment a player like Bellingham... for 105 million, I expect a player who can score from midfield or at least create goals for others. Our owners are complete and utter fu**tards and I wish they had found another club to wash their cash through. 

Madrid have put Bellingham at the focal point of a CL winning squad, we have Enzo running around with teenagers. Of course Bellingham's stats will look more appealing. 

I don't get why people are pretending Enzo has some average skill set on the back of the last 2 games. 

1 minute ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Madrid have put Bellingham at the focal point of a CL winning squad, we have Enzo running around with teenagers. Of course Bellingham's stats will look more appealing. 

I don't get why people are pretending Enzo has some average skill set on the back of the last 2 games. 

Its amazing isnt it, we could all see last season that he is a hugely talented player and will go on to be a superb signing. Now a few losses this season and suddenly hes a poor player, some utter nonsense being written about him. 

9 minutes ago, dkw said:

Its amazing isnt it, we could all see last season that he is a hugely talented player and will go on to be a superb signing. Now a few losses this season and suddenly hes a poor player, some utter nonsense being written about him. 

Was only a few games ago he was dancing around a three man Liverpool midfield like it was a training session. The same Liverpool that, if i'm not mistaken, have won every other game they've played this season? 

Got to laugh sometimes on this forum at peoples reactionary nature. 

55 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Was only a few games ago he was dancing around a three man Liverpool midfield like it was a training session. The same Liverpool that, if i'm not mistaken, have won every other game they've played this season? 

Got to laugh sometimes on this forum at peoples reactionary nature. 

I compared Enzo to Deschamp, who was a phenomenal midfield player, but limited. Matteo Kovacic is a very similar player to Enzo.

Bellingham can play from deep, create and score goals and can run a midfield. He has done since he broke through at 16 for Birmingham. I simply said you sign a player like Enzo to compliment and make better a player like Bellingham. 

Show me where Enzo has won a game singlehandedly,(he may have danced around Liverpools midfield but we still didnt win the game or he make a telling contribution) contributed to winning games, laid on or been man of the match compared to Bellingham. It just doesn't happen. Bellingham is head and shoulders a more dynamic player and we should have been in for him, except he wouldn't have come to a declining side. Is Enzo a better player than Tonali up at Newcastle, I think they're all very similar. 

In order for Enzo to shine, we need a player like Bellingham around him... or at least someone more creative. That is on the players in the squad to step up to. 

Ive not seen anything to suggest that Enzo isn't a slightly better Mateo Kovacic, who on his day, could boss a midfield, but rarely troubled opposing sides because he wasn't creative or attack minded enough. 

more than happy to be proven wrong and see Enzo start dominating midfields through the league which is yet to happen. He really needs to step it up. 

 

I was more than a little surprised when we let Jorginho go as I thought he would allow Enzo to play higher up the pitch yet no Enzo became our DM.

Now we have Caicedo it will be interesting to see how this changes, to date they have only played once together by my reckoning 

2 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Madrid have put Bellingham at the focal point of a CL winning squad, we have Enzo running around with teenagers. Of course Bellingham's stats will look more appealing. 

I don't get why people are pretending Enzo has some average skill set on the back of the last 2 games. 

I'm surprised you sound surprised 😄

With Pochettino at helm I think we can safely make Enzo the focal point of our side. He is a true baller and someone who loves to make things happen. He is also the type of player you need to put in the center of things. 

I have no doubt he will make us a winning team when we get some consistency to the side. We should be happy we have him.

If we hit the jackpot we'd bought Rice and Bellingham. Neither were available for us. We went for Enzo and Caicedo. 

To evaluate now how they fare is wayyy too primature. Let's see how they are after the season.

1 hour ago, olderschoolcfc said:

I compared Enzo to Deschamp, who was a phenomenal midfield player, but limited. Matteo Kovacic is a very similar player to Enzo.

Bellingham can play from deep, create and score goals and can run a midfield. He has done since he broke through at 16 for Birmingham. I simply said you sign a player like Enzo to compliment and make better a player like Bellingham. 

Show me where Enzo has won a game singlehandedly,(he may have danced around Liverpools midfield but we still didnt win the game or he make a telling contribution) contributed to winning games, laid on or been man of the match compared to Bellingham. It just doesn't happen. Bellingham is head and shoulders a more dynamic player and we should have been in for him, except he wouldn't have come to a declining side. Is Enzo a better player than Tonali up at Newcastle, I think they're all very similar. 

In order for Enzo to shine, we need a player like Bellingham around him... or at least someone more creative. That is on the players in the squad to step up to. 

Ive not seen anything to suggest that Enzo isn't a slightly better Mateo Kovacic, who on his day, could boss a midfield, but rarely troubled opposing sides because he wasn't creative or attack minded enough. 

more than happy to be proven wrong and see Enzo start dominating midfields through the league which is yet to happen. He really needs to step it up. 

 

Do you honestly think Bellingham single handily wins a game in this current Chelsea team? Enzo and Kovacic aren't even the same profile of player. Kovacic was an elite dribbler with little else, Enzo is an elite passer with a more well rounded game.

Enzo was MOTM almost every game when he joined, not to mention the start of this season. One player doesn't win a game. Enzo and Tonali? Cmon now. 

Crazy thing is Enzo is creating almost double the amount of shot creating actions per 90 than Enzo, but a few tap ins being put on a plate by two of the best CM's of this generation (Kroos/Modric) means he's more creative lmao

18 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Crazy thing is Enzo is creating almost double the amount of shot creating actions per 90 than Enzo, but a few tap ins being put on a plate by two of the best CM's of this generation (Kroos/Modric) means he's more creative lmao

I have to say Jude made a good move. He gets to Play with the players Real have and he's been their best player so far. Or one of the best. Future Ballon D'or stuff.

That doesn't mean Enzo isn't one in the future. 

Although last player to win that from the midfield was Modric. A player that doesn't score and wins it have done something exceptional.

With all players and the manager we need to show patience. We are far from a finished article.

14 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

With all players and the manager we need to show patience. We are far from a finished article.

Think the board are fully prepared to give Poch time (assuming the same diligence which was given to Potter is done the same, but even moreso given Poch's track record). 

There is so much stability with every club above us (Bar United) so its evident we need to have something settled. 

f**k me, there's some absolute bollocks on this thread. You would think our players are League 2 level quality the way people speak about them after a game. 

I think we have an absolute elite midfield brewing, and I would not trade Caicedo and Enzo straight up for Declan Rice and Bellingham.

3 hours ago, Wearyourblue said:

I think we have an absolute elite midfield brewing, and I would not trade Caicedo and Enzo straight up for Declan Rice and Bellingham.

True, they are way more stable, we just need to wait it out till our new squad becomes a team.

The midfield was one of the weakest links in the team and has been properly addressed. With Enzo and I hope that Caicedo and Lavia we have a very good midfield. And we even have Santos and Casadei coming up in the next couple of seasons. I think that we will have one of the best midfields in the coming years.

On 21/09/2023 at 02:44, olderschoolcfc said:

For the money Madrid spent on Bellingham, in comparison to what we spent on Enzo... Real got the much, much better deal. We spent 105 million on a younger version of Didier Deschamp. Enzo is top end water cooler, Bellingham a vending machine full of different flavoured drinks. 

Put it this way,, you build an entire side around a player like Bellingham, you dont around Enzo. you bring a player like Enzo in to compliment a player like Bellingham... for 105 million, I expect a player who can score from midfield or at least create goals for others. Our owners are complete and utter fu**tards and I wish they had found another club to wash their cash through. 

You are right. Bellingham deal is better  and Enzo need to improve his output. 

Now the real question is who should have we signed ?

We have no chance on Bellingham sweepstake. 

Szobo? Enzo is better 

Madison? Enzo is better 

Mccalister? Enzo is better 

Rice? I like rice but I rather pay more for an "attacker" then a defender. 

Kane? 😂😂😂

Oshimen? The way Napoli do transfer, they probably want 300m 

So yeah, signing Enzo is the right decision. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 22, 20232 yr by Bob stark

10 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

We have no chance on Bellingham sweepstake. 

We were trying to get Bellingham at 9-10yo, the club were talking to his parents, about the same time we won the CL.

His parents made a wise choice if you ask me.

1 hour ago, coco said:

We were trying to get Bellingham at 9-10yo, the club were talking to his parents, about the same time we won the CL.

His parents made a wise choice if you ask me.

He could have been on loan at Ipswich now.

44 minutes ago, Backbiter said:

He could have been on loan at Ipswich now.

Which is probably where Musiala would have been now if he had stayed with us.

Musiala slipping through our fingers is up there with Salah and De Bruyne but it rarely gets mentioned.

1 minute ago, just said:

Which is probably where Musiala would have been now if he had stayed with us.

Musiala slipping through our fingers is up there with Salah and De Bruyne but it rarely gets mentioned.

He was a massive loss - he's a fantastic player - but I'm pretty sure we did all we could to keep him. He was only 15 or 16 when he left and was free to join Bayern.

7 hours ago, Wearyourblue said:

I think we have an absolute elite midfield brewing, and I would not trade Caicedo and Enzo straight up for Declan Rice and Bellingham.

This is an interesting post. I found myself 100% agreeing with you and then 100% disagreeing you in the space of the same sentence!

I agree that we do indeed have the potential for an elite midfield in the coming years if all goes to plan, but for me Bellingham will be spoken about in years to come with simillar levels of reverence as has been reserved for Zidane. Rice for me also is a better player than i gave him credit for and i think is a better player in a better team. He also seems destined for an elite career if his trajectory continues.

3 hours ago, Bob stark said:

You are right. Bellingham deal is better  and Enzo need to improve his output. 

Now the real question is who should have we signed ?

We have no chance on Bellingham sweepstake. 

Szobo? Enzo is better 

Madison? Enzo is better 

Mccalister? Enzo is better 

Rice? I like rice but I rather pay more for an "attacker" then a defender. 

Kane? 😂😂😂

Oshimen? The way Napoli do transfer, they probably want 300m 

So yeah, signing Enzo is the right decision. 

 

Bob Stark... it really depends on what youre looking for from a midfielder. Madison is proven premiership quality, England fringe player and generally a signing you know what youre getting. Different player. Mccalister with Enzo is World Cup wining midfielder... Rice, a defensive powerhouse stepping up into his arsenal role, more a midfield general and can probably play with anyone, he's a good player. Im not saying Enzo is bad, I compared him to a player I loved watching who is a great of the game, Deschamp. 

Kane, would have solved our goalscoring problems overnight. 

Enzo is right if we get in a player who can feed off him - A Maddison type if Gallagher doesn't kick on this season (Mount would have been good for it too) Somebody compared Enzo to Modric. I'd go with that, a dynamo who runs the tempo of the game, but Modric is been surrounded by wonderful players that has brought out the best in him. I would have loved to see Kante with the guy regularly this season, not to be. 

Dare I say it but someone like Bruno Fernandes would probably bring a lot to this side. Enzo simply needs to find an outlet... Is he our only winner in the squad right now? Is he a leader, we need one of those too... or someone to step up. 

Despite 1 billion, were not a finished team yet. I'll roll with the punches this season, I doff my hat to mates who say Poch is the man to lead our transformation and regardless of results, I won't be calling for his head, but I dont know why we're not playing that adventurous football of pre season, we looked really good on the turn over. Results have been disappointing so far and goals hard to come by. I actually think Jackson has what it takes but he'll miss some sitters along the way. Its another season of transition and I hope we get it right.