I’m probably in the minority here but to me Noni isn’t much better statistically than Neto and he is one of the laziest players I have seen at this club for years and offers nothing defensively, he doesn’t even track full backs when they go forward.

He won’t press unless the ball is 5 yards away, he really can’t be bothered with all that off the ball hard work.

Neto also has poor numbers but is a much better team player IMO.

Edited January 25, 20251 yr by 2211

He really is an awful dribbler 

4 hours ago, 2211 said:

I’m probably in the minority here but to me Noni isn’t much better statistically than Neto and he is one of the laziest players I have seen at this club for years and offers nothing defensively, he doesn’t even track full backs when they go forward.

He won’t press unless the ball is 5 yards away, he really can’t be bothered with all that off the ball hard work.

Neto also has poor numbers but is a much better team player IMO.

Granted he is lazy but you won’t find any stat that supports the narrative that Neto is better. Neto has 1 goal and 2 assists, and we are 23 games into season. He contribute a goal or assist every 370mins; that is every 4 games. He has played 6 seasons in the PL, and Madueke is just a goal/assist away from his best output. 

Personally I don’t rate any of the 3 wingers we have, and in a perfect world I would bin all 3. I still think Madueke with 7 goals and 3 assists in the league is the least of our worries. 

7 minutes ago, ducavis said:

Granted he is lazy but you won’t find any stat that supports the narrative that Neto is better. Neto has 1 goal and 2 assists, and we are 23 games into season. He contribute a goal or assist every 370mins; that is every 4 games. He has played 6 seasons in the PL, and Madueke is just a goal/assist away from his best output. 

Personally I don’t rate any of the 3 wingers we have, and in a perfect world I would bin all 3. I still think Madueke with 7 goals and 3 assists in the league is the least of our worries. 

My point is Neto is more of a team player when it comes to tracking back etc...

I just think Noni is overated by some and a hattrick against Wolves and a couple of open goal tap ins is making people think he is better than he is.

They are all frustrating TBF and we have so many other issues in the team.

I just thought he was poor against City and cost us a goal with his lack of desire to track a run happening right in front of him.

I don’t like his attitude. Can have all the talent in the world (which he doesn’t), but if your attitude isn’t right, then forget it. 

Can sell him also in the summer.

3 hours ago, 2211 said:

My point is Neto is more of a team player when it comes to tracking back etc...

I just think Noni is overated by some and a hattrick against Wolves and a couple of open goal tap ins is making people think he is better than he is.

They are all frustrating TBF and we have so many other issues in the team.

I just thought he was poor against City and cost us a goal with his lack of desire to track a run happening right in front of him.

I am not disputing all that, but a forward’s (No 9, No 10 & wingers) primary goal is to contribute (score + assist). We are not going anywhere fast as a club if we focus on a forward’s defensive attributes, ignoring that we a reliant on Palmer and a 1-man team.

The trio of Madueke, Sancho & Neto are crap and shouldn’t be starting for a top 4 team.

I also think the way we are set up is asking a lot of our wingers and requires goal scoring midfielders .. which is why it’s surprising that Chuku didn’t see much game time or we sold CG. 
 

this formation requires wingers to hold width to stretch the opposition defence so our mid fielders can run into it and score like CC.. our wingers have virtually no help with overlapping and under lapping runs.. everytime the pick the ball it’s a 2-v-1..

Maresca himself said that he doesn’t like fullbacks .. so wingers will struggle unless they are truly world class..

17 hours ago, 2211 said:

My point is Neto is more of a team player when it comes to tracking back etc...

I just think Noni is overated by some and a hattrick against Wolves and a couple of open goal tap ins is making people think he is better than he is.

They are all frustrating TBF and we have so many other issues in the team.

I just thought he was poor against City and cost us a goal with his lack of desire to track a run happening right in front of him.

Makes you wonder why Neto never gets these easy hat tricks and tap ins. 

Madueke might not be the answer for us but his productivity is FAR ahead of Neto. 

Two goals in two games. People would be giving Jackson POTY for that. 

21 minutes ago, just said:

Two goals in two games. People would be giving Jackson POTY for that. 

Aye but just to wind up Jim  ;)

I have been a big fan of Madueke, but last night was one of his worst performances I can remember. He really had a shocker and just looked so lazy. What a difference when Neto came on.

If Noni doesn't pull his finger out can see him being moved on in the summer.

19 minutes ago, Nibs said:

I have been a big fan of Madueke, but last night was one of his worst performances I can remember. He really had a shocker and just looked so lazy. What a difference when Neto came on.

If Noni doesn't pull his finger out can see him being moved on in the summer.

 I was really surprised it was Sancho given the hook first. The moment that showed just how lazy he was...early in  the second half ball comes in from the left across the goal and you see Noni jogging into the box instead of busting a gut to get onto the back post. We need our wingers to score more, just doing the simple things would increase their output.

27 minutes ago, Nibs said:

I have been a big fan of Madueke, but last night was one of his worst performances I can remember. He really had a shocker and just looked so lazy. What a difference when Neto came on.

If Noni doesn't pull his finger out can see him being moved on in the summer.

Nobody would pay what our mob value him at. Season long loan in the offing come the summer i reckon.

so fekkin lazy ,not sure but I reckon has an over inflated ego and thinks he's so much better than he is .

needs to knuckle down and start putting in the hard yards and playing for the team not himself . Rant over

I don’t know what game some fans were watching but he made 3 key passes and created 1 big chance before he was hooked. Sancho somehow escapes criticism in another game where it was all nice footwork but not actually doing anything. Made no key pass, and created zero chance.

Where I stand with Madueke presently is bar Palmer, he is our closest option to a goal scorer since Jackson is cooked. He is also our 3rd highest contributor, and 2yrs younger than both Sancho & Neto. I can’t wrap my head around why a player with 7 league goals and 3 assists seems to get more criticism than the other 2 with 2 goals & 4 assists, and 2 goals and 2 assists 6 months into the season. 

19 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Nobody would pay what our mob value him at. Season long loan in the offing come the summer i reckon.

Ahead of streaky Sancho, & average Neto? No chance. 

1 hour ago, Nibs said:

I have been a big fan of Madueke, but last night was one of his worst performances I can remember. He really had a shocker and just looked so lazy. What a difference when Neto came on.

If Noni doesn't pull his finger out can see him being moved on in the summer.

I said at the start of the season that unless he has a Robben like season he will be sold. Can't say I will miss him either, very frustrating player. 

Disappointed not to see him put that chance away early on, would have been a lovely goal. He is more threatening than Sancho though, although he doesn't work half as hard. 

None of our wingers tried to take anyone on which was very frustrating to see.

45 minutes ago, ducavis said:

I don’t know what game some fans were watching but he made 3 key passes and created 1 big chance before he was hooked. Sancho somehow escapes criticism in another game where it was all nice footwork but not actually doing anything. Made no key pass, and created zero chance.

Where I stand with Madueke presently is bar Palmer, he is our closest option to a goal scorer since Jackson is cooked. He is also our 3rd highest contributor, and 2yrs younger than both Sancho & Neto. I can’t wrap my head around why a player with 7 league goals and 3 assists seems to get more criticism than the other 2 with 2 goals & 4 assists, and 2 goals and 2 assists 6 months into the season. 

I think you are right, after Palmer Madueke does look like our biggest goal threat and when he is on his game, he is dangerous and that's why I'm usually happy to see him start games ahead of others. But I thought he was awful last night. Don't mind him missing chances but it's the complete look of disinterest and lack of any urgency that bugs me. Neto doesn't have much in way of pace, but as least he busts a gut and puts the effort in and was 100% improvement when he came on last night. Sancho wasn't a great deal better last night but I would still have hooked Noni before him.

1 hour ago, ducavis said:

I don’t know what game some fans were watching but he made 3 key passes and created 1 big chance before he was hooked. Sancho somehow escapes criticism in another game where it was all nice footwork but not actually doing anything. Made no key pass, and created zero chance.

Where I stand with Madueke presently is bar Palmer, he is our closest option to a goal scorer since Jackson is cooked. He is also our 3rd highest contributor, and 2yrs younger than both Sancho & Neto. I can’t wrap my head around why a player with 7 league goals and 3 assists seems to get more criticism than the other 2 with 2 goals & 4 assists, and 2 goals and 2 assists 6 months into the season. 

People still complain about Sancho when he also makes 3 key passes and creates chances (probably cause it's not as flashy) so I'm not sure why you think it's only Noni. 

And yes I agree, Noni is probably our 3rd best attacker. He should definitely start games as we lose a goal threat when he's not on. The reason he gets criticised is if he not offering anything going forward he is pretty much useless and at his very worse a liability to the team. You can complain about Sancho and Neto output which is a fair point but at their worse they are not as bad defensively as Noni has proven multiple times to be.

Edited February 4, 20251 yr by Remodez

3 hours ago, charierre said:

 I was really surprised it was Sancho given the hook first. The moment that showed just how lazy he was...early in  the second half ball comes in from the left across the goal and you see Noni jogging into the box instead of busting a gut to get onto the back post. We need our wingers to score more, just doing the simple things would increase their output.

Danny Murphy pointed out the exact same thing a couple of times. Just lazy.

If this guy takes his chances, he'd be up there with the top scorers in the league. I like him and what he can bring to the side but it just doesnt happen often enough.

I cant get my head off the fact that he stole another player's goal and had the nerve to say its what he's in the side to do, this alongside his attitude to penalties, I wont miss him when he moves on in the summer. It just appears he struggles with the team dynamic, im sure he would look awesome at a team like Palace as Olise/ Zaha used to. Id have both those players over Noni at the minute and after two years im unconvinced he's improved. 

 

Wouldn't be the worst thing if Newcastle offered us 45M for him in summer tbh

Madueke is lazy and bad trainer, absolutely. 

We need to play Sancho and Neto 🤐🤐🤐

20 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Madueke is lazy and bad trainer, absolutely. 

We need to play Sancho and Neto 🤐🤐🤐

Fans are funny. I keep reading theories of how hard Sancho works in the defensive phase. He is a winger ffs!