2 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

Salah was a hugely talented player (one of the most sought-after young players when we signed him) who actually knuckled down and worked at Roma and Fiorentina and re-invented himself from a traditional byline player to a goalscorer. You could see his obvious potential when he ripped us apart at Basel.

I think that ship has sailed for Mudryk given his age and the fact he plays for a manager who has very set ideas for what he wants out of each player.

The problem is that we’re only seeing half decent performances in the conference league vs poor teams. Very little vs Premier League teams. 

15 hours ago, 19seventyone said:

Neto wasn’t doing it first half and I seriously doubt Maresca asked Mudryk to either.

All I hear is he wants his wingers high and wide.

High and wide until we get the ball in their half, then they cut in like we see with Madueke all the time. 

42 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

High and wide until we get the ball in their half, then they cut in like we see with Madueke all the time. 

High and wide is more of build up instruction but what the player do with the ball once they get it is up to them. 

For me the longer he is here, the more I see waste of potential. 

The moment we signed Sancho, neto and Felix, it means his career with us is over and last year was just waste of time. 

Some people compare him salah, salah went to fiorentina n roma and I hope Mudyrk will do something similar. 

Edited November 7, 20241 yr by Bob stark

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

High and wide is more of build up instruction but what the player do with the ball once they get it is up to them. 

a player under the management of a Pep disciple will never be given freedom to do as they please unless they are a Messi/Palmer. 

It is obviously situational but a manager like this will always give their preference on what the player should be doing. Madueke cuts onto his strong foot on the right to its not a surprise to see the opposite side go onto their storing foot like Sancho does. 

30 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

a player under the management of a Pep disciple will never be given freedom to do as they please unless they are a Messi/Palmer. 

It is obviously situational but a manager like this will always give their preference on what the player should be doing. Madueke cuts onto his strong foot on the right to its not a surprise to see the opposite side go onto their storing foot like Sancho does. 

Freedom is more about what can you do off the ball. As you said Palmer/Messi has freedom to go wide, narrow, high, low. 

But on the ball especially attacker it is really up to you. 

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

Freedom is more about what can you do off the ball. As you said Palmer/Messi has freedom to go wide, narrow, high, low. 

But on the ball especially attacker it is really up to you. 

Lets agree to disagree, Bob. I think its situational but all players will have generic instructions for on ball movement/passing. CBA to get into this though as i feel we could be here a while. 

6 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

High and wide until we get the ball in their half, then they cut in like we see with Madueke all the time. 

I get that and that’s possibly where Mudryk has difficulties. I mentioned 2 specific instances where he had the ball around halfway where he had the full back faced up. All the space was down the line yet he still wandered inside into a congested midfield and lost the ball. Surely a player as quick as Mudryk should be able to decide on occasion to drive toward the by line when it’s clear that’s where the space is?

Move to Serie A/Bundesliga followed by signing for City/Liverpool/Real in 3 years time written all over his career.

You can’t teach that speed. He just needs to move to a ‘slower’ league that allows his brain to catch up to his feet, once that happens he’s a world beater. 

I think we are taking the slower route with him, no idea why. A decent loan to a team with no pressure and I think we'd get mudryk back a lot better than he is now.

Staying with us, it's a much slower process...I'm sure there's stuff we ain't aware of, as is the case with all our players.

43 minutes ago, Simplymo said:

I think we are taking the slower route with him, no idea why. A decent loan to a team with no pressure and I think we'd get mudryk back a lot better than he is now.

Staying with us, it's a much slower process...I'm sure there's stuff we ain't aware of, as is the case with all our players.

He seems quite a timid person, i imagine he'd sink in a short loan. He's settled into Chelsea now and we can afford to drip feed him minutes and as we can see he's now starting to improve. I'm happy to have him as 2nd/3rd choice winger. 

20 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

He seems quite a timid person, i imagine he'd sink in a short loan. He's settled into Chelsea now and we can afford to drip feed him minutes and as we can see he's now starting to improve. I'm happy to have him as 2nd/3rd choice winger. 

That could be it, I'm sure there's stuff we don't know about each player, but maybe he's the type that doesn't acclimatise well and takes much longer than others.

I do agree he is improving and there is a player in there somewhere...looks like he needs proper baby steps.

25 minutes ago, Simplymo said:

That could be it, I'm sure there's stuff we don't know about each player, but maybe he's the type that doesn't acclimatise well and takes much longer than others.

I do agree he is improving and there is a player in there somewhere...looks like he needs proper baby steps.

This is where I'm at with him aswell

There are some serious flashes of outstanding skill sometimes.

I just know if we let him go it will be Mo Salah all over again.

Loved his goal celebration last night. Just stands there, nodding his head, nice smirk on his face as if to say "that was pretty special, huh !".

The reaction reminded me of prime Eric Cantona ... the chipped goal vs Sunderland in 1996.

 

Looking good recently.

Where we're at now is that those who constantly slagged him early on will be desperate for him to fail. It's a shame, and I ask those to reconsider and re-evaluate. Get behind Mykky Mud, this lad could be very good for us.

I'd start Mudryk LW and Neto RW against Arsenal 

7 hours ago, Gordon Bennett said:

Looking good recently.

Where we're at now is that those who constantly slagged him early on will be desperate for him to fail. It's a shame, and I ask those to reconsider and re-evaluate. Get behind Mykky Mud, this lad could be very good for us.

I’ve never rated him tbh and I watched him several times for Shaktar and Ukraine. He got ability no doubt but it’s his decision making that stops him being a top player. He’ll get better with experience but I question whether he’ll improve enough to play for Chelsea regularly. Competition for places next season will be even tougher so he needs to really improve if he’s to have a future at the Bridge.

Ill gladly be proved wrong.

20 hours ago, Gordon Bennett said:

Looking good recently.

Where we're at now is that those who constantly slagged him early on will be desperate for him to fail. It's a shame, and I ask those to reconsider and re-evaluate. Get behind Mykky Mud, this lad could be very good for us.

I never wish for anybody at the club to fail. I would love nothing more than to see Mudryk replicate that goal on Thursday more often, but he's shown nothing to suggest that he is capable of it at the top level. 

Just now, Scott Harris said:

I never wish for anybody at the club to fail. I would love nothing more than to see Mudryk replicate that goal on Thursday more often, but he's shown nothing to suggest that he is capable of it at the top level. 

Come on Scott, he's done well when he's been coming on in other games! At least massively better than what he had been! Much more of a threat going forward and has at least been on par or better than Madueke, Sancho or Felix in the minutes he has had!

Just now, Mod said:

Come on Scott, he's done well when he's been coming on in other games! At least massively better than what he had been! Much more of a threat going forward and has at least been on par or better than Madueke, Sancho or Felix in the minutes he has had!

Has he? I thought he was sh*te against United. The only game where has made an impact off the bench was against Forest where he should have had an assist for the winner if Nkunku had taken his chance. 

Mudryk looking good against a club 4th in the Armenian league doesn’t really justify him to start against Arsenal, which is arguably our biggest game of the season. 

19 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Mudryk looking good against a club 4th in the Armenian league doesn’t really justify him to start against Arsenal, which is arguably our biggest game of the season. 

Well Sancho isn't fully fit and Madueke hasn't looked good since wolves (give or take the odd moment) so I don't think it's out of the question

3 hours ago, Mod said:

Come on Scott, he's done well when he's been coming on in other games! At least massively better than what he had been! Much more of a threat going forward and has at least been on par or better than Madueke, Sancho or Felix in the minutes he has had!

If he can keep an upward trajectory going  Mod, he will be close to reaching Pulisic levels soon.

3 hours ago, just said:

If he can keep an upward trajectory going  Mod, he will be close to reaching Pulisic levels soon.

I'd take you seriously Just, if you didn't talk of Madueke as a Vini Jr clone!

Come on @Modwhere is the Mudryk bet for tomorrow?