1 minute ago, Spiller86 said:

Did it ever occur to either of you that perhaps that was the role Mount was asked to play?

That’s the thing that terrifies me, was that midfield Potters plan?

Just now, Wearyourcolours said:

That’s the thing that terrifies me, was that midfield Potters plan?

Would you really be surprised if it was? 

Just now, Spiller86 said:

Would you really be surprised if it was? 

Nope, he’s not got a clue

I take it we didn't miss Jorghino dictating the pace of the game ?

6 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

I take it we didn't miss Jorghino dictating the pace of the game ?

Funny enough, I look forward to who the next scapegoat is from the usual suspects. 
 

Tragic

 

Eurgh reading this is depressing. God we’re spoilt. Because 90 mins is definitely enough time for a whole new team to run through one of the form teams in the league… 

let’s respond to a few of the themes here.

mounts sh*t - out of form, yes. A terrible player, no. Maybe he needs a rest (remember we’ve had awful injuries) but those calling for him to go are ridiculous. On a free too… lol he’s worth like 80m and all the teams you think you wish we were want him 

potters sh*t - really? At what point has he had any time with this team? It’s been constant change (and injuries). Everyone’s looking for new manager bounce here. This is a new manager to half our squad. 

Arteta is great - took arsenal to their lowest league finish for decades two years in a row before this season. Maybe we should give Potter this amount of time? 
 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, General said:

Business as usual Munky !!

Liar! We didn’t lose!

7 minutes ago, Spiller86 said:

Did it ever occur to either of you that perhaps that was the role Mount was asked to play?

Well it's even worse then because it means Potter completely f**ked up the lineup and on top of that has no clue on Enzo Fernandez's role. 

He always played in a double pivot as the creative force. At River, Benfica and for Argentina. Tonight was the sole defensive midfielder, completely isolated from any attacking situation... Sucks to agree with that rat Gary Neville, but to have that distance between your players, especially at this level, unfortunately is the sign of bad management. 

Potter's piss poor tactical decisions does not make Mount any better though. Tactics aside, he missed some easy passes and f**ked up good situations that could have turned easily into goals. Plus a top player can twitch the manager's instructions if he feels he's not involved that much.

1 minute ago, petre ispirescu said:

Well it's even worse then because it means Potter completely f**ked up the lineup and on top of that has no clue on Enzo Fernandez's role. 

He always played in a double pivot as the creative force. At River, Benfica and for Argentina. Tonight was the sole defensive midfielder, completely isolated from any attacking situation... Sucks to agree with that rat Gary Neville, but to have that distance between your players, especially at this level, unfortunately is the sign of bad management. 

Potter's piss poor tactical decisions does not make Mount any better though. Tactics aside, he missed some easy passes and f**ked up good situations that could have turned easily into goals. Plus a top player can twitch the manager's instructions if he feels he's not involved that much.

You’ve 2 and a half paragraphs slating potters tactics and then end by saying good players ignore them? 

So which of these happened tonight? 

Gallagher recognized it though. That’s why he stayed on. He started to find more pockets to allow transition in the second half (albeit his technical side let him down). 
 

That can’t be said for Mount who again, has poor positional since in the build up. He was so far forward that Potter dragged him off. 

40 minutes ago, TimesUpPotter said:

They say they are, which is why it's strange they'd hire a managerial as statistically abysmal as Potter.

Think Potter has a lot more in common with Hodgson, Nuno and Moyes rather than Arteta but perhaps he's the next 1 in 1000 shot and not the near certain dud he looked from day 1.

Eddie Howe's stats wouldn't look very good either, good relegated with his last club.

Marco Silva took Hull down, sacked at Watford with them near the bottom of the table same at Everton.

Arteta? Didn't even have any stats to look Arsenal fans wanted him gone 

But all those managers are doing well and with teams playing good football. 

Every successful manager at some point in their history had won nothing. All of them.

Stats can't predict the future 

2 minutes ago, Blueboys said:

You’ve 2 and a half paragraphs slating potters tactics and then end by saying good players ignore them? 

So which of these happened tonight? 

I don't get your point though. I said that if Mount felt he was not involved enough, he should have done something about it. But he did not and was a passenger for most of the night. Top players get frustrated easily if they are not involved that much and react by dropping deep, looking for something to feed off of. That was to respond to our fellow Blue who asked me if Mount maybe was instructed to play that close to Havertz and that far from Enzo Fernandez, hence his poor performance.

 

53 minutes ago, rocker_joker said:

Can anyone tell me what is Potter's signature playing style and team identity?   Mourinho has one, Guardiola has one, Klopp as one, Tuchel has one, Pochettino has one. Even a "copycat coach" Arteta now has one. 

Some pundit said. You never know what type of a tactical line-up he is going to field thus confusing opposition...Well, knowing Chelsea players I could only see him often playing players out of their position and not to their core strengths thus indeed confusing opposition by such dumb decisions. That I could see as his signature style. 

 

Look at Brighton's playing style.

Took them from a dreadful Houghton style to something very very good. Couldn't score mind you, but the same team now banging em in , playing the same style and without buying an expensive striker 

Well start with the negative. All these shiny new toys and we still are toothless going forward and incredibly boring to watch. Snooooozzzzeeee.

Really sick of watching this, most boring Chelsea side in a long, long time.

Also ashamed really, Fulham worked harder and wanted it more. Also tested Kepa from the halfway line better than we tested Leno all game. Shameful.

Mudryk looked like a kid we picked from the Park to come for a kick about.

We wont do anything in English competition with Havertz leading the line.

On the plus side Madueke and Fofana looked positive, DDF took his chance so well until the finish sadly. 3 clean sheets out of 3 for Badiashile.

7 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Eddie Howe's stats wouldn't look very good either, good relegated with his last club.

Marco Silva took Hull down, sacked at Watford with them near the bottom of the table same at Everton.

Arteta? Didn't even have any stats to look Arsenal fans wanted him gone 

But all those managers are doing well and with teams playing good football. 

Every successful manager at some point in their history had won nothing. All of them.

Stats can't predict the future 

For much of last season it looked like Newcastle were going down, despite Howe coming in as manager. It look several months for him to get any real turnaround and that was working with the same core of the squad for a long spell. I imagine a lot of those screaming for Potter to go on here, would have wanted Howe out under those circumstances. I am also 100% sure the same people would have wanted Arteta gone long before he turned things around.

21 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Eddie Howe's stats wouldn't look very good either, good relegated with his last club.

Marco Silva took Hull down, sacked at Watford with them near the bottom of the table same at Everton.

Arteta? Didn't even have any stats to look Arsenal fans wanted him gone 

But all those managers are doing well and with teams playing good football. 

Every successful manager at some point in their history had won nothing. All of them.

Stats can't predict the future 

However very few managers have had a decade of their teams failing to score goals regularly or win games like Potter has.   That doesn't mean he's going to turn it around.

I like the Eddie Howe comparison. 

 Eddie Howe wasn't gifted a top job like Potter because he did well at Bournemouth.   He took over a Newcastle team that was rock bottom and through his astute management quickly turned the team around,  he didn't need new signings and he didn't need time it was immediately clear what he was trying to do and how he wanted Newcastle to play and they steadily improved before compounding that improvement with smart signings.

Newcastle are in the top 4 now but they're there because they hired a manager who improved the team to that level. When Howe walked in they were the worst team in the league.

He's everything Potter isn't and Howes mere existence and his record at Newcastle shows just how poor a job Potter is doing with us.

Graham Hodgson was gifted a top job he'd never shown anything in his career that he deserved a shot at on the back of a single top half finish,  has spent a kings ransom and gas managed nearly 2 thirds of a season worth of games with the team averaging less than a goal a game and going backwards.

If Newcastle brought in Potter last season instead of Howe and he replicated the results he's had here with them they'd have gone down and that's with Potter having a squad that Howe could only dream of.

The whole argument that Potter isn't the worst manager to ever manage a big club seems to be based on ignoring everything Potter has actually done here and just pretending he could be like one of the hundreds of better managers than him if given an endless amount of time and money.

Edited February 3, 20233 yr by TimesUpPotter

1 hour ago, Deino said:

It's really frustrating that he keeps rotating the front 3. 

Every player he puts up front fails miserably.....Lukaku will sort it out 😂

2 minutes ago, TimesUpPotter said:

However very few managers have had a decade of their teams failing to score goals regularly or win games like Potter has.   That doesn't mean he's going to turn it around.

I like the Eddie Howe comparison.    Eddie Howe wasn't gifted a top job like Potter because he well at Bournmouth.   He took over a Newcastle team that was rock bottom and through his astute management quickly turned the team around,  he didn't need new signing and he didn't need time it was immediately clear what he was trying to do and how he wanted Newcastle to play and they steadily improved before compounding that improvement with smart signings.

Newcastle are in the top 4 now but they're there because they hired a manager who improved the team to that level.

He's everything Potter isn't and Howes mere existence and his record at Newcastle shows just how poor a manager Potter is.

Graham Hodgson was gifted a top job he'd never shown anything in his career that he deserved a shot at on the back of a single top half finish,  has spent a kings ransom and managed nearly 2 thirds of a season worth of games with the team averaging less than a goal a game and going backwards.

But as you claim to base your opinions on data and stats , Eddie Howe would neve have got the job at Newcastle.

Or Vialli or Gullit at Chelsea with no managerial data for you to analyse?

What were DeMatteo's managerial stats like before he won the Champions League with us ?

Anyway, I'm off ,  have a good night, cheers 

11 minutes ago, TimesUpPotter said:

However very few managers have had a decade of their teams failing to score goals regularly or win games like Potter has.   That doesn't mean he's going to turn it around.

I like the Eddie Howe comparison. 

 Eddie Howe wasn't gifted a top job like Potter because he did well at Bournemouth.   He took over a Newcastle team that was rock bottom and through his astute management quickly turned the team around,  he didn't need new signings and he didn't need time it was immediately clear what he was trying to do and how he wanted Newcastle to play and they steadily improved before compounding that improvement with smart signings.

Newcastle are in the top 4 now but they're there because they hired a manager who improved the team to that level. When Howe walked in they were the worst team in the league.

He's everything Potter isn't and Howes mere existence and his record at Newcastle shows just how poor a job Potter is doing with us.

Graham Hodgson was gifted a top job he'd never shown anything in his career that he deserved a shot at on the back of a single top half finish,  has spent a kings ransom and managed nearly 2 thirds of a season worth of games with the team averaging less than a goal a game and going backwards.

If Newcastle brought in Potter last season instead of Howe and he replicated the results he's had here with them they'd have gone down and that's with Potter having a squad that Howe could only dream of.

The whole argument that Potter isn't the worst manager to ever manage a big club seems to be based on ignoring everything Potter has actually done here and just pretending he could be like one of the hundreds of better managers than him if given an endless amount of time and money.

People still believe in the dream of the next fergie at chelsea. Its just that a dream... 

11 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

But as you claim to base your opinions on data and stats , Eddie Howe would neve have got the job at Newcastle.

Or Vialli or Gullit at Chelsea with no managerial data for you to analyse?

What were DeMatteo's managerial stats like before he won the Champions League with us ?

Anyway, I'm off ,  have a good night, cheers 

You've not got the point you think you do.

Howe was hired by the team Rock Bottom of the league,  no top side would have gone near him but he's done a fantastic job and rebuilt his reputation.  Credit to him.

The 1st CL win is still my happiest moment in football but I'm not going to pretend like it was due to some elite management and I think Robbies managerial career after us shows his level

Why anyone would compare Vialli , Ruud or Ateta in their first ever management jobs to a manager that has won less than a third of his games over the last decade is beyond me though.

Every successful manager was once a blank slate.

I can't think of a single manager going from winning 28% of their league games at their previous club and his teams scoring a goal a game for a decade going on to be a trophy winning manager at a top club but hey Maybe Potter will be the first.

Everyone's got to believe in something, right?

Edited February 4, 20233 yr by TimesUpPotter

If Mudryk had a cold in midweek and wasn’t 100% then you have to wonder why Potter started him. It was clear by his performance that he wasn’t tight

Probably a controversial opinion but we missed Jorginho tonight. In the long run we need to get away from having him in our team as he’s a system player but he plays well under pressure in games like this and quickens up our play. No knock on Enzo but he should be playing more as an 8 and he struggled to find the space Jorginho does in that role. I don’t know if we would have won either way but it just struck me as a potential reason why we looked disjointed. 

Overall this performance was expected. I don’t hold the same excitement as some about the signings of Noni and D.Fofana. I thought they looked very very raw. What’s clear tonight is that we needed a striker who’s proven and not past it. Hard to find I know but we have cobham talents that can perform equally as impressive as fofana and Noni. Happy to get proven wrong but can’t help think the money should have been focused on someone a bit more in their prime. 
 

I know there general thoughts coming out of the club is that Potter will get time but if we get knocked out of the CL and lose to West Ham and Spuds. The fans won’t give him time.

The board are finding out how difficult it is to run a football club in the first year that’s for sure.

Edited February 4, 20233 yr by Sheva

Marco Silva, in amongst him rightly praising his players, said they deserved the points. Hard to argue with that, they were the better team imo 

51 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Look at Brighton's playing style.

Took them from a dreadful Houghton style to something very very good. Couldn't score mind you, but the same team now banging em in , playing the same style and without buying an expensiv

I have a season ticket at both Chelsea (since 1976) and Brighton. I only go to Brighton if it doesn't clash with a Chelsea home game.

Potter didn't take Brighton to a very very good style. He took them from Hughton's very cautious defensive football to a more possession based approach. However, there was rarely any speed in the passing or good movement off the ball which Brighton fans are seeing now with Robeeto de Zerbi. Potter's possession football is what we saw a lot of tonight. The ball is knocked about in defence, played to a wide man, returned if there is no easy pass on, before somebody gets fed up and lumps it forward. 

Brighton are now encouraged to take players on in attacking situations and are not afraid to have a shot at goal. The improvement of players there eg. March and the fact that players are given a chance eg. Mitoma has been notable since Potter left.

Potter has a ready made excuse at Chelsea because of all the new players and, admittedly,  injuries. If he's still here in a year's time I wonder what the explanation will be when we're still watching the same tedious football.

2 hours ago, The Don Antonio said:

I really really hope we don't give Mount a new contract.  He has done nothing to deserve it and is living off past glory. He and Gallagher literally left Enzo on an island today in that midfield. MOUNT NEVER ONCE DROPPED DEEP TO HELP WITH THE BUILD UP, all he did was try to run past the striker and he ended up spoiling our moves. 

I'm with you.

What really aggravates me about Mount is his decision making.

Around goal:

1. When he should shoot - he doesn't!  He passes to another player who isn't ready or expecting it because they are expecting Mount to shoot!

2. When he should wait or lay it off to another player because he's got no real sight of goal - The player he should have laid it off too has an easy goal scoring opportunity taken away from them!

3. And worse he's often occupying the space the main striker/goal scorer should be occupying.

Back In midfield - like against Fulham:

1. Where the F'k was he? Gallivanting around up front where he wasn't needed/required - leaving Enzo on his own to do the mopping up - did we get to see the best of Enzo?

 

Why do I prefer Gallagher? It's like he's got a better football brain... I don't see him doing the stupid things that Mount keeps on doing.

 

Next thing we'll have is the Mount supporters telling us it's not his fault because he's been played out of position... maybe he his but perhaps he's going to have to get used to that or find another club that wants to pay him £300k/week.