Caicedo's now become very important. Very much doubt we are able to land him though so who knows where we go from there.

Also a bit worrying that we are missing out on Pochs objectives here. Mount, Rice and Ugarte all more or less gone.

 

46 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Wonder if PSG actually want him or are doing this out of spite because of Ziyech. On a good note, I'm glad the new owners are learning not to overspend. Last summer we would have tried to match PSG in wages. 

Paying more because money is no object to them sure, messing with us is a bonus. I doubt they will pursue all our targets and outbid us at each turn out of spite though.

Last summer we sure would, I mean are.not both Sterling and Koulibaly on more per year than this PSG offer for Ugarte?

If the club want to establish this pay structure and get buy in from everyone then it needs to be across the board as soon as possible, meaning we have to find ways of moving on bog earners like Lukaku, Sterling and Koulibaly ASAP, even of that means small transfer fees.

7 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Caicedo's now become very important. Very much doubt we are able to land him though so who knows where we go from there.

Also a bit worrying that we are missing out on Pochs objectives here. Mount, Rice and Ugarte all more or less gone.

 

Not sure how much Pochettino wanted him, but if so aye not a great start.

Caicedo apparently wants Arsenal, as he did in January.

10 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Not sure how much Pochettino wanted him, but if so aye not a great start.

Caicedo apparently wants Arsenal, as he did in January.

Target nr 1 and the one he was really pushing for according to Record and the others that was on the top of the story.

If we go for Lavia now thats a complete shambles btw. We've already brought in 3 very talented midfielders in the last year in Santos, Casadei and Carney. Another talent is NOT what we need.

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22 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Not sure how much Pochettino wanted him, but if so aye not a great start.

Caicedo apparently wants Arsenal, as he did in January.

So did Murdryk, somehow we convinced him 😁 I'd like to stick with someone who's proven in the league, so pick a 90M Caicedo or a 60M Ugarte there's only 1 choice.

Going for Lavia doesn’t particularly fill me with excitement and how much of an upgrade is he? He could be an expensive but average player. 

His name is Manual? I am sure the boys play first and read the manual after a couple of losses....that is what we all do...😆

Surely there are other options out there. Focusing attention on two midfielders seems a bit odd. 

I haven't been following this transfer much at all. I just knew he was close to signing for us. So what is the issue here. Not giving him enough wages or PSG offeeing more in fee? That's the gist of it from what i gather. 

My preference is to get Rice / Caicedo + 1 more. I am not sure paying 60m for that +1 is a good idea. 

He's a great player but we did the right thing pulling out. I would rather we go for someone like Palhinha instead of splashing big money on Caicedo. 

Good that the board are learning and not overpaying for up and coming players. It was the right decision not to go overboard with the salary, and no one can compete with PSG's 10 million net. Ugarte has decided to go to the Spurs of Europe, bottlers of the CL, so he'll have to move on in a few seasons if he wants to win anything of relevance.

The thing is every club is after a good midfielder so we are battling with many good clubs for a mid. This is why scouting is so important. Caicedo only came on my (and i imagine most people's) radar this past season. Before that i knew nothing of him.

Are we certain that we can't find a equally talented CM with better scouting? Kante came from a smaller club in France before going to Leicester. Anyway, i would imagine that Pochettino is being updated. He will, i imagine, have other options to suggest.

3 minutes ago, RMH said:

Good that the board are learning and not overpaying for up and coming players. It was the right decision not to go overboard with the salary, and no one can compete with PSG's 10 million net. Ugarte has decided to go to the Spurs of Europe, bottlers of the CL, so he'll have to move on in a few seasons if he wants to win anything of relevance.

You may be right, but PSG win their league almost every season and always guaranteed of CL football. It's not an exciting league, but PSG have good appeal for the aforementioned reasons. 

47 minutes ago, enigma said:

Surely there are other options out there. Focusing attention on two midfielders seems a bit odd. 

At this rate we probably need to add more names to the list if we want even one of them.

Our new salary model is not very good in terms of luring players in combined with lack of Champions League football.

6 minutes ago, evissy said:

At this rate we probably need to add more names to the list if we want even one of them.

Our new salary model is not very good in terms of luring players in combined with lack of Champions League football.

Yeah I think if we can throw CL football in then it’s not too bad. The problem is that we’re abit of an unknown club at the minute. Under Roman, players knew they would play CL and win trophies. Under the first season of the new owners, it has been chaos, 4 managers and no CL football. Hopefully Pochettino can change that narrative. 

Just now, JM7 said:

Yeah I think if we can throw CL football in then it’s not too bad. The problem is that we’re abit of an unknown club at the minute. Under Roman, players knew they would play CL and win trophies. Under the first season of the new owners, it has been chaos, 4 managers and no CL football. Hopefully Pochettino can change that narrative. 

But its Chelsea -line has an expiration date. To british players it could mean something but not that sure if south-american player is involved like Ugarte. Maybe Premier League itself can lure good players.

42 minutes ago, RMH said:

Good that the board are learning and not overpaying for up and coming players. It was the right decision not to go overboard with the salary, and no one can compete with PSG's 10 million net. Ugarte has decided to go to the Spurs of Europe, bottlers of the CL, so he'll have to move on in a few seasons if he wants to win anything of relevance.

He's more chance of winning something of relevance at PSG than here. We're completely f**ked.

1 hour ago, enigma said:

I haven't been following this transfer much at all. I just knew he was close to signing for us. So what is the issue here. Not giving him enough wages or PSG offeeing more in fee? That's the gist of it from what i gather. 

Apparently PSG blew us out of the water with the money they offered. 

We can't compete with the likes of PSG, Man City or Newcastle financially if they are really determined to land a player.

6 minutes ago, Snedger said:

He's more chance of winning something of relevance at PSG than here. We're completely f**ked.

That's not true; a simple comparison of the European trophy cabinets of both clubs will tell you that.

2 minutes ago, RMH said:

That's not true; a simple comparison of the European trophy cabinets of both clubs will tell you that.

But that is the past, not the current. He might as well sign for Nottingham Forrest if historic success in Europe is the attraction.

Unlike PSG, we're not even in European competition. We're closer to today's Nottingham Forrest.

12 minutes ago, Snedger said:

But that is the past, not the current. He might as well sign for Nottingham Forrest if historic success in Europe is the attraction.

Unlike PSG, we're not even in European competition. We're closer to today's Nottingham Forrest.

One year of bad results under a turbulent couple of seasons with the Club having being sold after the UK Gov seized it from its owner and some people are starting to write us off. One bad season doesn't rewrite our recent history. The season 15/16 we finished 10th and we went on to win the PL the following season. I understand it's unlikely to happen this coming season, but that just goes to show that Chelsea is a resilient Club, and things will start picking up with the new manager coming in and the new team being build. We may not win much next season, but we will certainly start getting close to silverware from next season onward. We just need a clever coach, which I think we have now, and for the young team to click and start playing like a team.

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17 minutes ago, Snedger said:

But that is the past, not the current. He might as well sign for Nottingham Forrest if historic success in Europe is the attraction.

Unlike PSG, we're not even in European competition. We're closer to today's Nottingham Forrest.

Huge knee jerk there. 
 

We finished 10th in 15/16 looking a total mess. We won the league the following season. 

We still had Roman and his staff and some very good players then. This is very different.

7 minutes ago, Snedger said:

We still had Roman and his staff and some very good players then. This is very different.

I'm not buying that all of a sudden we're a hopeless club after one season. We have the players and hopefully now we have the manager, I'd give it a few years before you hold a wake for us as a top club.