12 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Is that the season when they scored a record amount of goals ?  But their games do lack excitement only because they starve the opposition of the ball.

When they beat us 1-0 the season after our  CL  win, we just couldn't get the ball off of them, it was frustrating and probably boring for neutrals 

The highlight was a half volley from their keeper to the feet of a player on the halfway touchline, we just looked around at each other in amazement!

Nope. They scored 100+ goals with aguero at the top not last season.

Last year version of city was very similar to our football under tuchel. 

Edited May 21, 20233 yr by Bob stark

13 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Nope. They scored 100+ goals with aguero at the top not last season.

Last year version of city was very similar to our football under tuchel. 

I almost feel sorry for Citeh fans if they endured the same football that we were watching .  But somehow I think their fans were quite happy with their team ?

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Pochettino’s biggest job will be to install discipline and work ethic into a group of players that have little pride in their  own performance. Only when he achieves this will this sorry group start to give performances that their over inflated fees and wages suggest they are capable of. Iron fist needed from day one, if they aren’t up for the challenge bounce them out of the club.

21 minutes ago, charierre said:

Pochettino’s biggest job will be to install discipline and work ethic into a group of players that have little pride in their  own performance. Only when he achieves this will this sorry group start to give performances that their over inflated fees and wages suggest they are capable of. Iron fist needed from day one, if they aren’t up for the challenge bounce them out of the club

You could handle a defeat if the players put in 100% and leave it all out on the pitch its another thing to get beaten and walk around the pitch not giving a f*ck

1 hour ago, charierre said:

Pochettino’s biggest job will be to install discipline and work ethic into a group of players that have little pride in their  own performance. Only when he achieves this will this sorry group start to give performances that their over inflated fees and wages suggest they are capable of. Iron fist needed from day one, if they aren’t up for the challenge bounce them out of the club.

100% I think this will be more important than any sort of tactic or formation

I’m sure it’s all fine but it’s abit crazy how it’s still not officially announced. Are they doing a mega introductory video?

1 hour ago, JM7 said:

I’m sure it’s all fine but it’s abit crazy how it’s still not officially announced. Are they doing a mega introductory video?

He’s getting cold feet!!

1 hour ago, JM7 said:

I’m sure it’s all fine but it’s abit crazy how it’s still not officially announced. Are they doing a mega introductory video?

It's going to be a pretty short promo for a manager who hasn't won much, and ex-Spurs😐 In all seriousness, if he hasn't signed the paper yet, must have some doubts after seeing the atrocious  performance we put up week in week out. It's one thing training young and upcoming players at Southampton, a complete different matter dealing with over paid players with no interest, and a clucless owner.

3 hours ago, JM7 said:

I’m sure it’s all fine but it’s abit crazy how it’s still not officially announced. Are they doing a mega introductory video?

Probably waiting for the season to end

I think we are just showing Frank some respect. I expect the announcement after next weekend's end of season.

Imo what we need is to go back to basic. I don't care about tactic nor system. 

Defense need to defend, attacker need to be able to attack, st need to score and midfielder need to do everything. 

Costa 

Hazard - Oscar - Willian/schurle 

Matic - Fab

Azpi - Terry - Cahill - Iva

Thibo

This is imo our last really great team. I knew that we were the best team in the league before season start. I think Conte team had more points than this team but I don't think that Conte team were the best team in the league so huge prop to Conte. 

Creative winger in Hazard. Runner in Oscar. Goal getter in Diego. Balance with schurle/willian. Magic with Cesc. 4 defender who can defend, wc gk. Dominant dm in Matic. 

Mou blew this by giving this lot extended holiday and our board blew this by giving mou djilobodji instead of stones. Terry was 500 years old. 

If you compare this team to city 

Haaland 

Grealish - KDB - Silva

Gundo - Rodri 

Ake - dias - ankanji - stones 

You can see how similar this tem compare to that mou team. 

 

 

 

 

Football is not that difficult

15 hours ago, charierre said:

Pochettino’s biggest job will be to install discipline and work ethic into a group of players that have little pride in their  own performance. Only when he achieves this will this sorry group start to give performances that their over inflated fees and wages suggest they are capable of. Iron fist needed from day one, if they aren’t up for the challenge bounce them out of the club.

Mauricio Pochettino's appointment indeed suggests a new direction for Chelsea. His reputation for instilling discipline and fostering a hardworking mentality could be exactly what the team needs to return to form. Pochettino has had successful tenures at Spurs and PSG, showing that he can handle big personalities and get them to perform at their best.

At this point, it seems like the squad could benefit from a more stringent approach. If some players aren't willing to meet these new expectations, it might be better for the club to move on without them.

Pochettino's journey with Chelsea will undoubtedly be interesting to watch. Hopefully, he can bring the club back to the heights they're accustomed to. Let's give him our full support and see how the situation evolves.

56 minutes ago, TheGoal said:

Mauricio Pochettino's appointment indeed suggests a new direction for Chelsea. His reputation for instilling discipline and fostering a hardworking mentality could be exactly what the team needs to return to form. Pochettino has had successful tenures at Spurs and PSG, showing that he can handle big personalities and get them to perform at their best.

At this point, it seems like the squad could benefit from a more stringent approach. If some players aren't willing to meet these new expectations, it might be better for the club to move on without them.

Something like this then.

 

8 minutes ago, just said:

Something like this then.

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Edited May 22, 20233 yr by OriginalS

5 hours ago, OriginalS said:

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Pochettino should sign Benson and Hedges.

1 hour ago, Paul70 said:

Pochettino should sign Benson and Hedges.

We're playing 4-4-fking 2

11 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Football is not that difficult

But then you complain how nobody is shielding our defense? If anything this shows that even Man City's success is due to the fact that they can rely on their backline to do their part of the job, which is something that we have been hiding from...

Our backline doesn't know how to defend and you can argue that being the case even while JT was still here under Jose's last term when we finished 10th. Ever since then it was the managers that with their tactic protected our backline, if by Conte's ultra defensive outlook, Sarri's ultra possession obsession or Tuchel's high press work rate while keeping an extra player in defense, it all points to us simply not having a backline that can do the basics when needed.

5 hours ago, Gol15 said:

But then you complain how nobody is shielding our defense? If anything this shows that even Man City's success is due to the fact that they can rely on their backline to do their part of the job, which is something that we have been hiding from...

Our backline doesn't know how to defend and you can argue that being the case even while JT was still here under Jose's last term when we finished 10th. Ever since then it was the managers that with their tactic protected our backline, if by Conte's ultra defensive outlook, Sarri's ultra possession obsession or Tuchel's high press work rate while keeping an extra player in defense, it all points to us simply not having a backline that can do the basics when needed.

How can we have a decent back-line when it's being chopped and changed every other match or messed up because of injury - and still no JT replacement - Silva is on his last legs...

In fact, how can we have a decent front-line when it's being chopped and changed every other match or messed up because of injury - and still no Drogba replacement...

Probably apply that to the midfield too - Within the 11 man team you could argue you need a "team" at the back, a "team" in the middle and a "team" up front doing the business - Chelsea are miles away from having that - too many players, too many players who keep getting injured, too many people fiddling... no consistency.

The whole squad's a bit fragile, James and Chilwell (Kante?) constantly injured.. Kovacic, Silva, Dave too old etc.

Midfield led by Enzo could be ok but will he want to stay if no CL?

Chelsea really are in a bit of a mess atm....

7 hours ago, Gol15 said:

But then you complain how nobody is shielding our defense? If anything this shows that even Man City's success is due to the fact that they can rely on their backline to do their part of the job, which is something that we have been hiding from...

Our backline doesn't know how to defend and you can argue that being the case even while JT was still here under Jose's last term when we finished 10th. Ever since then it was the managers that with their tactic protected our backline, if by Conte's ultra defensive outlook, Sarri's ultra possession obsession or Tuchel's high press work rate while keeping an extra player in defense, it all points to us simply not having a backline that can do the basics when needed.

Nah, this is confirmation bias and speculation speaking. It reads like you've formed a conclusion and applied it in retrospect.

In the last ten years, we've had Silva, Rudiger, Reece James, Ashley Cole, Azpilicueta, Terry, Ivanovic...some of the best 1v1 defenders the league has ever seen, let alone Chelsea. If anything, the complete opposite is true, where we've over-relied on individual ability rather than having effective defensive systems, especially at set-pieces. We've also had to accomodate players like David Luiz, Jorginho, Obi Mikel who were great at some aspects of defending but deficient in others. 

As for City's success, it is hardly revolutionary. Just as Italian managers revived the 3-4-3/3-5-2, so too has Guardiola returned to using four defensive players at the back. The 2000s saw the rise of the attacking fullback and extinction of the first-and-foremost defender such that by the end of the decade, "defensive" fullbacks were considered a liability. 

This season's City team read like something out of a 1980s football magazine with four actual defenders across the back and an attacking tactic that is essentially getting it to the big lad upfront as quick as possible. All that is old becomes new again.

Edited May 23, 20233 yr by SydneyChelsea

9 hours ago, Gol15 said:

But then you complain how nobody is shielding our defense? If anything this shows that even Man City's success is due to the fact that they can rely on their backline to do their part of the job, which is something that we have been hiding from...

Our backline doesn't know how to defend and you can argue that being the case even while JT was still here under Jose's last term when we finished 10th. Ever since then it was the managers that with their tactic protected our backline, if by Conte's ultra defensive outlook, Sarri's ultra possession obsession or Tuchel's high press work rate while keeping an extra player in defense, it all points to us simply not having a backline that can do the basics when needed.

What are you talking about.

This is city backline 

Stones - Rodri 

Ake-Dias-ankanji

It is even more protected than before especially through the middle because if you opp can get you through the middle, you can just forget about defending. 

On the wing it is whole another story because there are a lot more space, you will be isolated one on one many many times. So you have to win your duel. This is what pep talking about. 

 

 

 

Edited May 23, 20233 yr by Bob stark

Yes, defence needs to be stable, not chop and change just for the sake of rotation. I'm sure Pochettino will stick to a stable back 4 or 5 when he had a look at the team in pre-season. With Silva heading to retirement and Fofana is always injured , wouldnt be surprised if we buy another defender ( maybe excessive in my view) in summer.

2 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

Nah, this is confirmation bias and speculation speaking. It reads like you've formed a conclusion and applied it in retrospect.

In the last ten years, we've had Silva, Rudiger, Reece James, Ashley Cole, Azpilicueta, Terry, Ivanovic...some of the best 1v1 defenders the league has ever seen, let alone Chelsea. If anything, the complete opposite is true, where we've over-relied on individual ability rather than having effective defensive systems, especially at set-pieces. We've also had to accomodate players like David Luiz, Jorginho, Obi Mikel who were great at some aspects of defending but deficient in others. 

As for City's success, it is hardly revolutionary. Just as Italian managers revived the 3-4-3/3-5-2, so too has Guardiola returned to using four defensive players at the back. The 2000s saw the rise of the attacking fullback and extinction of the first-and-foremost defender such that by the end of the decade, "defensive" fullbacks were considered a liability. 

This season's City team read like something out of a 1980s football magazine with four actual defenders across the back and an attacking tactic that is essentially getting it to the big lad upfront as quick as possible. All that is old becomes new again.

The funny part with Pep is how he convince everyone that tippy tappy, small ball false 9 football with technical player everywhere is the only way to play football. 

You forget that he does this with xavi, iniesta, busquets, messi, silva, kdb and kroos. 

Now he is killing everyone with 5 big cb + 1 killer cyborg up top. 

And the best part is when he praise you for sticking with your philosophy before beating you 5-0 🤣🤣🤣

I remembered Pep praised Scott Parker early this season for sticking to his philosophy. 

Scott Parker decided that best way to play city was to insist on short build up. All city needed to do was to press them and it was easy tap in. 😭😭

I said bournemouth need to sack parker after that game if they want to give that team chance to stay up. They did sack parker and they are safe now. Tbf I didn't expect them to stay up even after sacking parker. 

I had conversation with somebody in this forum (a Scott parker fan) about this. I don't remember who though. 

 

 

Edited May 23, 20233 yr by Bob stark

2 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

All that is old becomes new again.

Football continues to evolve. Tactics/ systems that disappeared yesterday reinvent themselves tomorrow. There is no correct way to play the game, it’s all about using players at your disposal in the best possible means whilst trying to stay one step ahead of the rest.

I would be really surprised if Pochettino can win us any trophies at all under his management 

 

and no, Audi cup or some random cup in pre season doesn’t count as trophy