All this scapegoating and blame attribution going on in a few threads is a bit premature in my opinion. We have expectations but they should be had with realism.

Take away Silva, Sterling and Chilwell's contribution to the average squad age and it is a very young and as a result,inexperienced one. 

It's not going to happen overnight. We have had a run of bad luck and it was always important we started well but injuries have been a barrier to that being the case.

Nevertheless, we have a manager that has done it with young players at different clubs and that's a reason I won't villify him at these early stages as I may have done with GP at the early stages.

Yes he may have started slowly with less impact than other well established names to take the managers seat in our dugout, however that's been a situation created by the owners lack of experience and incorrect strategy in building a football team. 

1 minute ago, Remodez said:

My thing is, if this was the plan all along why not just keep Potter. 

There were suggestions that many of the players didn't respect Potter and his methods. So far there is no evidence of the same issue with Poch.

4 minutes ago, Remodez said:

My thing is, if this was the plan all along why not just keep Potter. 

We set Potter up to fail when Todd went shopping around Europe.

Would not surprise me if Potter turns up at another Brightonesque club and does well, this time round it seems we've had more thought gone into our signings even though I don't agree with most of them.

This is the plan and the project with football people (apparently) in charge, we have to give him time and see how it all unfolds.

Pressure will grow though because of the expectations of the club and fans but that's on the owners for having such a drastic project.

31 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

I just feel we needed a system manager, someone who knew exactly what football they wanted to play from day 1. Like what Ange has done at Spurs, or what Tuchel did with us when he took over.

 

We can't have a manager that's going to tinker, because our squad isn't experienced enough to grind games out without being tactically organised. The squad will just become confused, and given the pressure at the club, the knives will be out for the manager within a few months. 

 

Honestly despite the Potter comparisons, somebody like De Zerbi would have been absolutely perfect. 

I don't think any manager could compete for a top 8 team with this squad is isn't a managerial problem.

People won't like it but the truth is we need to ship out a lot of the young players we've bought.

Mudryk, Madueke, Broja, Jackson, Palmer all barely have a career goal between them,  2 of them need to be shipped out and replaced by the proven attacking quality we should have signed who will then compliment the young players we decide to keep.

Ideally we'd loan them but we've already filled our loan spots with yet more youth.  Mind boggling how many young players we've signed for no reason.

It's going to be really messy but every club needs proven quality first and then you supplement that with upcoming youth we've lurched completely to the latter and that isn't sustainable in the long or short term.

I think if you move Broja on in January and bring in a Toney or a Watkins or a Vlahovic you've now not only got a proven goal scorer in his prime years but you can give Jackson time to develop and grow as a number 2 who gets plenty of minutes instead of putting  pressure on a very raw and experienced player to lead the line every game in a new country.

Edited September 18, 20232 yr by Whats_The_Mata?

28 minutes ago, Remodez said:

Brighton have scored the most goals in the league and that stat has them down at 18th with 34 big chances created. 

Again, I have no idea how they define "big chances" but you can see why I am skeptical.

 

IIRC the Premier League utilizes Opta's data, which defies a big chance created as a chance that leads to a shot on target. 

Brighton have a fully settled squad/club from top to bottom, an effective infrastructure and a progressive manager under zero pressure. They have experience in areas where there needs to be experience along with young talented footballers. They are an efficient organization. They are all playing on a high with confidence so it isn't the least bit surprising they are converting everything. 

 

Interesting video detailing our structural concerns. 

 

20 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Interesting video detailing our structural concerns. 

 

Sums it up perfectly, I think Poch has a great record in developing players, but his tactics aren't that great compared to the top managers 

Quite a few seem to think we want Ivan Toney. We turned down Maddison because of our "no older than 25" policy. Toney is older than Maddison, there is no resale value in a player Brentford want 80mill for.

Pochettino may want Toney, but our boards policy means we won't go for him it seems.

Simon Jordan : " Chelsea under Pochettino are boring".

Yes we are, so we're we all last season.

So if we are boring anyway why not adopt an ultra defensive low block and counter.

Only team to stop Brighton and even beat them this season? Low block West Ham.

Sit back home and away and counter to Mudryk and Jackson.

Scoring 0 is boring. If we scored 2 every game which we pretty well can everyone would be on board. We have over 10 xG in 5 games which equals to 2 goals a game. We have scored half of that. 

12 injuries is also the stuff of Guinness World of Records. 

When Pochettino said he was satisfied the way we played when he had 3 players to train with from the starting lineup during the International break he was probably pretty honest. 

3 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

So are our players young/not good enough? or is the manager not good enough and chances are purely from individual genius?

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/big_chance_created?se=210

We're second in the league to City for big chances created with 81 so far FWIW. (We've scored 5).

81 big chances in 5 games would be quite incredible chance creation LOL.

Methinks a refresh of your filters is needed 🙂 (the Filter by Season is stuck on 2018/19)

It's 12 for this season to date, which is 4th in the PL, one behind City, Brighton and Spurs.

12 minutes ago, evissy said:

Scoring 0 is boring. If we scored 2 every game which we pretty well can everyone would be on board. We have over 10 xG in 5 games which equals to 2 goals a game. We have scored half of that. 

12 injuries is also the stuff of Guinness World of Records. 

When Pochettino said he was satisfied the way we played when he had 3 players to train with from the starting lineup during the International break he was probably pretty honest. 

Too much is made over the injuries for me. Sure Nkunku would be a key player, James as well. But Marcus B, Cucurella et AL? Hardly devastating blows.

And even with those players out, we cannot beat Bournemouth and Forest? Not an excuse imo.

2 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Interesting video detailing our structural concerns. 

 

Yea, I noticed that too, the way Palmer intuitively managed to position himself between the lines correctly, fresh from Pep’s tutelage.

The standards in the PL evolved at a fast pace since he was last here, time has past him by, and the likes of Arteta, Pep & De Zerbi are miles ahead at the minute. I’m all for giving him the appropriate amount of time though.

Edited September 18, 20232 yr by Term_X

10 minutes ago, Term_X said:

Yea, I noticed that too, the way Palmer intuitively managed to position himself between the lines correctly, fresh from Pep’s tutelage.

The standards in the PL evolved at a fast pace since he was last here, time has past him by, and the likes of Arteta, Pep & De Zerbi are miles ahead at the minute. I’m all for giving him the appropriate amount of time though.

Thought the video in general was a great analysis as it combines a lot of the complaints we have posted in match day threads. 

 

- Our attacking positioning is flat against the defensive line, making it incredibly easy to defend against. 

- There is very little support between the lines as Enzo on occasion drops deep from CAM to get the ball. (Because he naturally wants to get on the ball as much as possible). When this happens, attacking players out wide are isolated with zero support around him. This in turn never allows us to outnumber the defensive line with attacking players. 

- We have too many moving parts in attack and crucial players are rarely in the right areas when needed. 

- We move the ball to slowly in build up, starting from the defensive line. This in turn leaves the opposition enough time to organize and add the fact we always have a flat attacking line, it makes it piss easy to defend against. We could get away with it by having wide players who can create chances on their own, but our width comes from our fullbacks who aren't great dribblers. If the game plan is to have Chilwell/Gusto to whip in crosses in dangerous areas, we need to move the ball quicker and the right players need to be in the right areas. 

 

 

All in all,

1. Gallagher + Enzo is redundant. They both do the same role. 

2. We need a natural CAM. 

3. Our width needs to be operated by players who are unpredictable and can create their own chances. 

4. Front attacking line need to not be stagnate and flat. 

5. Build up needs to be much quicker if we want to implement a crossing game. 

 

This imo sorts our dysfunctional structural issues, its putting away the chances that's the next issue. 

2 hours ago, evissy said:

Scoring 0 is boring. If we scored 2 every game which we pretty well can everyone would be on board. We have over 10 xG in 5 games which equals to 2 goals a game. We have scored half of that. 

In the last 7 seasons, we've won 94 of the 114 PL games when we've scored at least twice, and only lost 6, while securing 87% of the available points.

Scoring twice in a game (as early as possible) should absolutely be our main objective !

Clearly that one is on the players ... they need to take their bloody chances !!!

This is actually unbelievable can someone point to a team that has suffered from the injuries we have over the last couple of years?? I also think this team probably beats the one that played yesterday. 
Badiashile is also missing from this list.

Edited September 18, 20232 yr by El regreso

Hudson Odoi is playing better than Mudryk right now 

2 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Hudson Odoi is playing better than Mudryk right now 

It was probably (and sadly) one of the easier predictions to make ... 🙂 

There is no serious follower of Chelsea or football journalist that I know of that isn't criticising Poch for playing Colwill at LB instead of Chilwell  and for pushing Enzo so far forward. 

Everyone from Simon Phillips to Gab Marcotti is saying that's wrong or they dont understand it. We all think the same thing.

When you do stuff like that and you don't get results you get criticised no matter what chances you create, no matter how many injuries, no matter how young everyone is.

And underlying it is a fear of dropping Silva and a fear of losing badly. That's why Chillwell gets selected at left wing or doesn't play. And that's why Enzo is at 10 instead of Palmer.

And that fear transfers itself to the players where the attackers are trying too hard. Jackson does have talent, Mudrck is controversial but I will bet he does well at some stage of his career and I think he is ready to blossom for Chelsea. Sterling has talent proven over many years. 

Disasi (as a sub)  and Enzo played in the world cup final less than a year ago. Chilwell is an England player from time to time. Colwill will certainly be a starter for England. It's garbage there is no talent in the team. There is talent to burn. Getting the fire going is another matter.

5 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Quite a few seem to think we want Ivan Toney. We turned down Maddison because of our "no older than 25" policy. Toney is older than Maddison, there is no resale value in a player Brentford want 80mill for.

Pochettino may want Toney, but our boards policy means we won't go for him it seems.

Agreed. I can see us going in for Jonathan David, another player that fits the profile but brings no PL experience at all.

1 hour ago, WhiteWall said:

Agreed. I can see us going in for Jonathan David, another player that fits the profile but brings no PL experience at all.

I like David, good player, not one to drag this team out of the muck though. Need a nasty snarling individual to lead the line, like a Costa.

Robert DZ has a 13mill Euro release clause at Brighton.

Given our biarss love of Brighton I can see us sacking Pochettino in the summer and bringing him in.

24 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Robert DZ has a 13mill Euro release clause at Brighton.

Given our biarss love of Brighton I can see us sacking Pochettino in the summer and bringing him in.

I mean despite the Potter comparisons, De Zerbi is one of the best tacticians in the world. He's gotten a squad of mid table players into the top 6 playing champagne football. Brighton had more shots against us at the Bridge last season than any team ever, that includes Real/Bayern City etc. 

 

Not that I want Poch sacked (he's better than Potter/Lamps), but De Zerbi would be my first choice if things did go badly 

14 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Interesting video detailing our structural concerns. 

 

Nope. Player need to be 1 m here or there are irrelevant. 

 

8 hours ago, ozboy said:

There is no serious follower of Chelsea or football journalist that I know of that isn't criticising Poch for playing Colwill at LB instead of Chilwell  and for pushing Enzo so far forward. 

Everyone from Simon Phillips to Gab Marcotti is saying that's wrong or they dont understand it. We all think the same thing.

When you do stuff like that and you don't get results you get criticised no matter what chances you create, no matter how many injuries, no matter how young everyone is.

And underlying it is a fear of dropping Silva and a fear of losing badly. That's why Chillwell gets selected at left wing or doesn't play. And that's why Enzo is at 10 instead of Palmer.

And that fear transfers itself to the players where the attackers are trying too hard. Jackson does have talent, Mudrck is controversial but I will bet he does well at some stage of his career and I think he is ready to blossom for Chelsea. Sterling has talent proven over many years. 

Disasi (as a sub)  and Enzo played in the world cup final less than a year ago. Chilwell is an England player from time to time. Colwill will certainly be a starter for England. It's garbage there is no talent in the team. There is talent to burn. Getting the fire going is another matter.

Nope. 

How many times did you see murdyk receive crosses in the box yesterday? 

How many times did you see  Chilwell receive crosses when he play as LW?