1 hour ago, dansubrosa said:

If you really need an example of how players feel about Jackson look at Palmer’s reaction to Jackson while celebrating EDIT: celebrating first goal. I’ve seen it many times this season which makes me think he’s really not a likeable person. I like him as a player but as a person I’m not keen, he seems like a d**khead.

Here's the first goal, and celebration, what is it you're seeing exactly? 

https://dubz.co/v/z35faj

 

Jackson first season versus Nunez first season. Jackson is younger than Nunez and cost £30m compared to £90m.

11 hours ago, Shweaves said:

I disagree, and same for Noni. You want players who are hungry to score. Would you also say we should think about selling Noni because of his attitude?

 

Thats fine as long as you dont end up with a 'Salah and Mane' type scenario. 

Jackson's attitude is what you need more or less in a striker. He has played virtually every game this season, not always brilliantly but lead the line consistently. He has stayed fit and motivated. 

He also has pretty good pace, realsonable strength and a good touch. Palmers first goal was the best technically of the 6 against Everton, but any striker would have been happy to have scored Jackson's goal as well as he did. 

Madueke runs well with the ball but no better than Jackson and neither is, at this stage, his team play anywhere near as good.

I could see Jackson as left wing, a la Rashford but he has enough about him to be the 9.

One of the pundits actually made a good point after the game. If the score was 0:0, would he jump on the chance for the PK. Did he jump on the chance for the PK when we were 2:3 with a minute to ago against United? He's after an easy goal, losing his sh1t when he didn't get his way. If you want be that guy, step up for those big moments.

4 minutes ago, icecoolguy22 said:

One of the pundits actually made a good point after the game. If the score was 0:0, would he jump on the chance for the PK. Did he jump on the chance for the PK when we were 2:3 with a minute to ago against United? He's after an easy goal, losing his sh1t when he didn't get his way. If you want be that guy, step up for those big moments.

Surely we'd prefer him not to try and take the important penalties from Palmer? I think he only did it this time since the game was pretty much over and he wanted to try and get a hat trick himself?

So basically since I've been old enough to understand and watched football it is normal for a regular penalty kick taker to allow someone else a go when the team seem like they've won the game, except you're Jackson in Chelsea. The difference here is that Noni and Jackson were wanting it so causing an uproar. If them two didn't argue, Palmer would have allowed either take it.  I understand both viewpoints, as a striker you want your numbers to go higher, as the guy that won the penalty you feel entitled to take it. 

Forgetting that for a moment, it's amazing how a 21 year old in his first season in a new league without any real solid rationale, can get so many grown adults probably most older than him in such a twist. Most hated player, vile behaviour, ashamed of him, so many cards, not liked in dressing room, dares to run a particular way, look a particular way, and many others I've seen here. When it's an opposing player I can even understand due to the tribal nature of football, your own player though..... 

Someone help me understand this new trend. 

 

45 minutes ago, abister1 said:

So basically since I've been old enough to understand and watched football it is normal for a regular penalty kick taker to allow someone else a go when the team seem like they've won the game, except you're Jackson in Chelsea.

 

Thats not true at all, its always the selected penalty taker that takes them, he gets the ball. If the captain decides to give it to someone because of a special arrangement (Makelele in his final games for example) then fine, but we had won the league and it was an all out celebration. The players should never try and take it of the penalty taker, even down to amateur games I've played in. 

22 minutes ago, dkw said:

Thats not true at all, its always the selected penalty taker that takes them, he gets the ball. If the captain decides to give it to someone because of a special arrangement (Makelele in his final games for example) then fine, but we had won the league and it was an all out celebration. The players should never try and take it of the penalty taker, even down to amateur games I've played in. 

By your assertion, the only times players other than the designated taker have taken penalties in football are Makelele, and Sterling from a few weeks ago incident then. 

Hmmm, I must have dreamed of all those other occurrences I've actually witnessed it. 

2 hours ago, abister1 said:

By your assertion, the only times players other than the designated taker have taken penalties in football are Makelele, and Sterling from a few weeks ago incident then. 

Hmmm, I must have dreamed of all those other occurrences I've actually witnessed it. 

No I didnt say that, and I`d rather you didnt put words in my mouth if thats ok,.

I`m saying in every game its always the designated taker that should take the penalty, always. If theres then a decision made because of circumstances to give it to someone else then fine, but no one should ever try and take that penalty away from the designated player, because we see stupid childish sh*t like we did Sunday.

4 minutes ago, dkw said:

No I didnt say that, and I`d rather you didnt put words in my mouth if thats ok,.

I`m saying in every game its always the designated taker that should take the penalty, always. If theres then a decision made because of circumstances to give it to someone else then fine, but no one should ever try and take that penalty away from the designated player, because we see stupid childish sh*t like we did Sunday.

Ah I get you now. Well I was making a general comment about other people taking penalties when they aren't the designated taker. So we are saying the same thing but have both misunderstood the other. 

It is usually when the game is won or in special circumstances like you allude to. Thought you meant it is always only designated takers that ever take them. 

Drogba and Ballack used to fight over penalties/FKs when Lampard wasn't around. 

4 hours ago, abister1 said:

So basically since I've been old enough to understand and watched football it is normal for a regular penalty kick taker to allow someone else a go when the team seem like they've won the game, except you're Jackson in Chelsea. The difference here is that Noni and Jackson were wanting it so causing an uproar. If them two didn't argue, Palmer would have allowed either take it.  I understand both viewpoints, as a striker you want your numbers to go higher, as the guy that won the penalty you feel entitled to take it. 

Forgetting that for a moment, it's amazing how a 21 year old in his first season in a new league without any real solid rationale, can get so many grown adults probably most older than him in such a twist. Most hated player, vile behaviour, ashamed of him, so many cards, not liked in dressing room, dares to run a particular way, look a particular way, and many others I've seen here. When it's an opposing player I can even understand due to the tribal nature of football, your own player though..... 

Someone help me understand this new trend. 

 

I'm sorry but this is not true. Please provide examples to support this as a normality. On rare occasions such as Makelele against Villa at the end of a drubbing in the last game of the season. But its few and far between, i cant think of any times when this was normal. . What is normal for the 50 odd years I've been watching the game is that there is a designated penalty taker, who stays on them possibly beyond one fail, but after a couple of misses it will then move on to another taker.

@dkw Apologies, just seen your post and now realised mine is virtually the same as yours.

Edited April 17, 20242 yr by WhiteWall

Seems like Jackson scores when there is not too much pressure or he doesn't have time to think... or the opposition are down to 9 men.

Palmer's the one with balls, forgive the pun.

Guess it's hard for the other players when you've got someone no-ones ever really heard of come in to the team on their first season and do what Palmers done... especially for Sterling and our temporary striker (Jackson).

Pride and envy and all that.

And I wasn't talking about Chelsea. Football in general. I'm not sure why it appears a strange concept people fighting for penalties or normal kick takers allowing other players to have a go wheb a penalty is won and after game is won. Eg given to a striker struggling for goals or given to a player chasing a personal milestone ie top goal scorer, scoring record, hatruck in a game, etc

I really wonder why it's coming across as strange. I'll say it happens more often than rarely. Not disputing that teams have designated takers and sometimes even have 2 or 3 designates for when someone is not on the pitch but to suggest that it is rare for anybody else to take it, that I'm struggling with. 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Drogba and Ballack used to fight over penalties/FKs when Lampard wasn't around. 

Including in Ballack's finest hour. Stupid kids, they must have a bad attitude, be a toxic dressing room presence, etc.

 

13 hours ago, ozboy said:

Madueke runs well with the ball but no better than Jackson and neither is, at this stage, his team play anywhere near as good.

I could see Jackson as left wing, a la Rashford but he has enough about him to be the 9.

Madueke (176 mins) has a better EPL goals per minutes ratio than Jackson (218 mins) and that's without him playing as an out and out striker. Noni looks by far the more natural finisher of the two to me so far. And most certainly the more controlled and accomplished dribbler of the ball.

10 hours ago, just said:

Madueke (176 mins) has a better EPL goals per minutes ratio than Jackson (218 mins) and that's without him playing as an out and out striker. Noni looks by far the more natural finisher of the two to me so far. And most certainly the more controlled and accomplished dribbler of the ball.

A better finisher probably, but Jackson is,to me, by far the more complete team player. Has the assists as well as the goals. However here’s hoping they both do well. 

11 hours ago, PloKoon13 said:

Including in Ballack's finest hour. Stupid kids, they must have a bad attitude, be a toxic dressing room presence, etc.

 

Thanks for that. I’d forgotten the full game but always recalled the Carvallho give away and the penalty handball. Great fun. 

15 hours ago, PloKoon13 said:

Including in Ballack's finest hour. Stupid kids, they must have a bad attitude, be a toxic dressing room presence, etc.

 

Nice example. Just too lazy to go trawling but plenty examples of that in leagues games, europa league, champions league, men and women's world cup and qualifiers. It's just an overblown thing and of course where Chelsea are concerned everything is amplified or overblown. 

Edited April 18, 20242 yr by abister1
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22 hours ago, abister1 said:

So basically since I've been old enough to understand and watched football it is normal for a regular penalty kick taker to allow someone else a go when the team seem like they've won the game, except you're Jackson in Chelsea. The difference here is that Noni and Jackson were wanting it so causing an uproar. If them two didn't argue, Palmer would have allowed either take it.  I understand both viewpoints, as a striker you want your numbers to go higher, as the guy that won the penalty you feel entitled to take it. 

Forgetting that for a moment, it's amazing how a 21 year old in his first season in a new league without any real solid rationale, can get so many grown adults probably most older than him in such a twist. Most hated player, vile behaviour, ashamed of him, so many cards, not liked in dressing room, dares to run a particular way, look a particular way, and many others I've seen here. When it's an opposing player I can even understand due to the tribal nature of football, your own player though..... 

Someone help me understand this new trend. 

 

I made this point once bashing and vilifying your own players is nuts I don’t understand it. I get annoyed at Jackson but I would never go to the lengths I see some go too for my own player. The only exception to this rule disrespecting the club ala Lukaku!!

"You're all too hard on Jackson".

He's cost us a place in the F.A Cup final because he's so bad.

We're not too hard. He has a sh*t attitude and chokes when we need to count on him.

Like Nunez, actually f**king sh*te!!

5 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

"You're all too hard on Jackson".

He's cost us a place in the F.A Cup final because he's so bad.

We're not too hard. He has a sh*t attitude and chokes when we need to count on him.

Think Dele Ali had a good point, he's never tried to take a penalty when it comes to winning the game, but desperately wants one when it's an easy goal to stat pad. 

He shat himself against Walker a few times.