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Poch In or Out? The Mega-thread Merged

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Just now, WhiteWall said:

Massive risk. Factually David Moyes has a better CV

Modern day Bielsa. 

There is the argument of what De Zerbi can accomplish when his best players aren't picked off every season. 

2 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Modern day Bielsa. 

There is the argument of what De Zerbi can accomplish when his best players aren't picked off every season. 

Again could be said of any half decent lower level manager with clubs that sell players tbf. Is there anything to suggest that de Zerbi would actually be any better than Iraola, apart from the fact that de Zerbi is flavour of the month, or was, largely with, dare i say it, Potter's players.

34 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Again could be said of any half decent lower level manager with clubs that sell players tbf. Is there anything to suggest that de Zerbi would actually be any better than Iraola, apart from the fact that de Zerbi is flavour of the month, or was, largely with, dare i say it, Potter's players.

He's far too stubborn for my liking. Believes in a way football should be played and won't ever diverge. 

 

Nothing will change we will linger for another year in mediocre with Pochettino.  He is not the right manager for the players we have or where we want to be. We can't  afford no Champions League football for another season or two our reputation as a big European club will be destroyed. Bayern, Real Madrid , Barca , City would not allow this why should we. 

3 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Yeah with every passing day I'm leaning on just sticking with Poch. It's the less risk. 

I think the World Club Cup in 2025 could be key here as well. If we stick with Poch in the hope that things improve then we will have to go all in for WCC. If however we want to develop something that gives us a major lift in the following season and strengthen us going into the WCC, then I think a change may need to happen now to give the new guy a chance.

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6 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

De Zerbi is a clear case of high risk high reward. 

Considering Brighton are almost level with us on about 10% of our budget (and losing their best players), whilst having European games to deal with as well, the chances of him being a downgrade on Poch are pretty much zero.

 

Would he win us the league? Maybe not, but I'd be much more confident of getting top 4 next season with De Zerbi in charge instead of Poch 

1 hour ago, WhiteWall said:

I think the World Club Cup in 2025 could be key here as well. If we stick with Poch in the hope that things improve then we will have to go all in for WCC. If however we want to develop something that gives us a major lift in the following season and strengthen us going into the WCC, then I think a change may need to happen now to give the new guy a chance.

 

51 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Considering Brighton are almost level with us on about 10% of our budget (and losing their best players), whilst having European games to deal with as well, the chances of him being a downgrade on Poch are pretty much zero.

 

Would he win us the league? Maybe not, but I'd be much more confident of getting top 4 next season with De Zerbi in charge instead of Poch 

Honestly at this point in time I'd keep Poch for the duration of his contract but keep a close eye on Thiago Motta with Bologna. 

10 minutes ago, AndyDowsleftflank said:

So would I, but by that time Motta will probably have joined Juventus. If we want him, the time is now. 

Think they may get Conte. 

Motta's football is completely out of Juventus' comfort zone. 

On 22/04/2024 at 14:22, Sconnie Blue said:

 

Honestly at this point in time I'd keep Poch for the duration of his contract but keep a close eye on Thiago Motta with Bologna. 

I take this back. 
 

Christ almighty. 

If you're not Pochettino out at this point, then you have already accepted that we will never be a serious team again and you're not actually watching any of these games. 

I get it, he's hamstrung by owners that have assembled the biggest waste of money the sport has ever seen, but Pochettino hasn't come close to building anything that looks like a team all season. He's not made a single improvement to our squad, not one. If anything, they're worse than ever. They are carried by an incredibly talented young player that will leave this sh*t behind once he realises he has no chance of success here.

We need a coach that can actually turn these lot into a team. They may not be a very good team, but something is better than nothing.

Think that's enough for me now. 

Defended him all season but we're getting worse and worse defensively. The players don't and will never respect him, I can't see that changing anytime soon either. 

I think we need to look for an alternative at the end of the season. I'm gutted it's not worked out as I was really hyped and interested about the Pochettino project, but time to call a spade a spade. 

1 minute ago, bisright1 said:

This isn't the game to judge anyone. 

Then which of the near 30+ does he earn a pass, Desasi, Badiashille, Musryk, and Jackson, are nowhere near PL wannabe big boy STD, and Poch is forever ‘Spursy’, I actually like him as a person, but a coach, listen he couldn’t get the best out of Messi, Neymar and Mbappe, no f**kin idea!!!

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