Pochettino has failed to advance the project in any way. It's not if but when he leaves.

34 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Arsenal are better than us. Tottenham aren't. 

Losing to a (much) better team shouldn't be the reason why anyone wants to sack a manager. Everything else you mention is the reason why.

If we sacked Poch at the end of the season and got in Amorin I'd be happy. Because of all the reasons you've said. However if we finished 6th, I'd also not be desperate for him to go. He'd have another 12 months for me to show what happens in year 2. Which might be f**k all, and if it is then the narrative is on him and not on us firing managers constantly. 

I've not given him a pass for Arsenal. I just don't think it's worthwhile to dwell on losing to a better team, especially with all the context behind it. 

And also I hate Tottenham a lot more than Arsenal. 

Why does that matter? The narrative is we have spent a a billion quid to drop from a top 3 side to mid table in less than 2 seasons.

Any big club with the level of investment we have made wouldve sacked Potter with his record, and they would sack Pochettino given his performance. No one else would stand for it. Standards need picking up from the floor.

7 minutes ago, big blue said:

Why does that matter? The narrative is we have spent a a billion quid to drop from a top 3 side to mid table in less than 2 seasons.

Any big club with the level of investment we have made wouldve sacked Potter with his record, and they would sack Pochettino given his performance. No one else would stand for it. Standards need picking up from the floor.

Because if I'm let's say, Amorin, I'm thinking I've got to make this work in 6 months or I'm out the door. 

And I might decide in that instance it's not worth the risk of being humiliated. 

I'm more on the side of sacking Poch. But there's good reasons to not do it IF he gets us to 6th. 

1 hour ago, bisright1 said:

Arsenal are better than us. Tottenham aren't. 

Losing to a (much) better team shouldn't be the reason why anyone wants to sack a manager. Everything else you mention is the reason why.

If we sacked Poch at the end of the season and got in Amorin I'd be happy. Because of all the reasons you've said. However if we finished 6th, I'd also not be desperate for him to go. He'd have another 12 months for me to show what happens in year 2. Which might be f**k all, and if it is then the narrative is on him and not on us firing managers constantly. 

I've not given him a pass for Arsenal. I just don't think it's worthwhile to dwell on losing to a better team, especially with all the context behind it. 

And also I hate Tottenham a lot more than Arsenal. 

As you say context has a part to play and I think that you are missing an important element of context here.

It's not just a loss to better side. The quality of the opposition should have little to do with competitiveness, desire and an organised structure.

He brought Chalobah on at 70 mins at 4-0 down and Silva at 80 mins at 5-0 now. Let's park the disrespect for a moment. We effectively went 5 at the back at 5-0 with 10 to play and Martinelli still should have had 2 goals.

Arsenal fans were cheering ole's when we kept the ball, briefly, at the end ffs.

So yes it's a defeat to a better side. But even disregarding some of the horrendous records we are now achieving the context also plays a massive part.

The fact the club and Pochettino have been mute today speaks volumes.

22 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Because if I'm let's say, Amorin, I'm thinking I've got to make this work in 6 months or I'm out the door. 

And I might decide in that instance it's not worth the risk of being humiliated. 

I'm more on the side of sacking Poch. But there's good reasons to not do it IF he gets us to 6th. 

Lets be honest, managers dont think like that. They get a lot of money from getting sacked, and they back themselves to succeed. We fired winning managers regularly and yet it never stops us attracting replacements.

We wont finish 6th anyway, so it is all a moot point.

1 hour ago, Scott said:

Pochettino has failed to advance the project in any way. It's not if but when he leaves.

I'm not sure that the project that we think is in place is actually the one that is. If Salah leaves and the scouse offer us £80m for Palmer I wonder if Eghbali will think that his project is running to plan. £45m for Gallagher and maybe £70m for James if he gets fit again and Eghbali will look on Poch as his ace in the hole.

2 hours ago, bisright1 said:

So many differences between the two games. We'd just played our 2nd biggest game of the season, we had lost our 2 best players to injury, playing away, and against a team that now has the ability to blow teams away. As they have done against multiple teams around us in the league in the last 2 months. 

But it's moot, we lost. I thought we would get hammered, we did. 

I don't think anyone else is going to hammer us. I don't think Tottenham or Villa beat us. If we lost those games then that's the real issue. 

Brave. I like your confidence.  Not sure I share it tbh. I think both spuds and Villa will feel they have a reckoning to come with us. They will be acutely aware that as comically hapless as we have been this season we have pulled both their pants down. I reckon they'll be spoiling for a rumble with our lot.

29 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

I'm not sure that the project that we think is in place is actually the one that is. If Salah leaves and the scouse offer us £80m for Palmer I wonder if Eghbali will think that his project is running to plan. £45m for Gallagher and maybe £70m for James if he gets fit again and Eghbali will look on Poch as his ace in the hole.

No they have spent too much money on incomings for the project to be flipping players for profit. 

3 hours ago, Scott said:

Pochettino has failed to advance the project in any way. It's not if but when he leaves.

Pretty much this. And I don't only agree with Scott because he is 7 ft 3 of American muscle!

I don't envisage any scenario where Pochettino is Chelsea manager next season (bar having photos of our glorious owners in compromising positions with donkeys).

He had utterly lost the fans, hasn't installed any sort of seige mentality in the players  and is beginning to make statements about the vision of the club. 

He has as much chance of being at the club's Xmas Dinnner next year as Thiago Silva's missus.

We are fully in 'identify next manager ' mode now

 

 

17 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

This was Lampard's post match presser in January of 2021 after the defeat to Leicester which got him sacked a week later. 

5 months later. This team "not ready to compete" won the European Cup. 

And look how quick many of you turned on Tuchel as soon as he had a blip in form, including yourself. 

Not saying you're entirely wrong, and even I'm off the Pochettino train. But there's a section of fans that literally can't give a manager time even when results aren't going our way. 

8 hours ago, loz said:

Pretty much this. And I don't only agree with Scott because he is 7 ft 3 of American muscle!

I don't envisage any scenario where Pochettino is Chelsea manager next season (bar having photos of our glorious owners in compromising positions with donkeys).

He had utterly lost the fans, hasn't installed any sort of seige mentality in the players  and is beginning to make statements about the vision of the club. 

He has as much chance of being at the club's Xmas Dinnner next year as Thiago Silva's missus.

We are fully in 'identify next manager ' mode now

Say about Jackson and Sterling what you want, but surely even they have standards!

Anyway, I've come off the fence; begone with the man. Even if we don't appoint an interim and let the the players dally on the pitch without a coach, things couldn't get more incohesive and chaotic. And goodness knows how much training would improve 

12 hours ago, Scott said:

Pochettino has failed to advance the project in any way. It's not if but when he leaves.

This is the main thing, nothing is better in our play, no one is a better player, theres no direction, no obvious pattern or style of play, no idea what he does to them at half time. Just nothing has advanced since he got here over the past few seasons. 

Since when is NOT getting hammered a standard?  Poorer and worse teams have put up better fight than us, it's not like they were amazing, we just handed them the win by poor selection and not doing the bare minimum. Just to say we miss our best attacker and a defender is just another lame excuse. A half decent manager would at least know park the bus and try to hang in there, we couldn't even do that. Poch will stick around until the season ends at least, I'm not fussed about it, getting another interim seems to be another unnecessary drama after what we had last season. He should be out, but it's a different era with far interior standard, so..

18 minutes ago, dkw said:

This is the main thing, nothing is better in our play, no one is a better player, theres no direction, no obvious pattern or style of play, no idea what he does to them at half time. Just nothing has advanced since he got here over the past few seasons. 

As much as it feels like longer it's been less than a year!

      THICK AS sh*t

Against the consensus but i'd keep him. I am not convinced by anyone else who realistically would take the job, we can't keep recycling managers and our squad without success in between and expect top managers and players to want to join. At least under roman we'd win a trophy or two every now and again to keep our stock high.

He gets the summer, he gets to argue any point he wants to argue with the board about the squad, whether thats needing experience brought in or depth in other areas, he hopefully gets to move some of the sh*te on and we go again. If the boat is the same next year, he's gone and we really are up against it but hopefully some stability helps start from a stronger footing and we can make more of a push towards the top 4. 

Whats the alternative? Some young up and coming manager who plays nice football in a sh*te league currently? I just don't see how our squad of underachieving youngsters benefits from us taking such a risk. 

Voted on the fence.

Obviously we're not where we want to be but the young players need continuity until the end of the season. 

My view on Poch is that he is the type of manager that needs 3 or 4 seasons to get the best out of a squad. He can't successfully manage a top club because top clubs want an immediate impact. 

What's changed here is that we are no longer a top club. Harsh as that may be,  we have been nowhere near competing for 2 seasons in a row and because of that we won't attract a seriously top manager. Yeah we might get a De Zerbi but I'm not convinced he's that great. 

I want to see something change in the next 6 matches. Let's see if we can stop conceding so many goals and have a strong finish to the end of the season. If the season just fizzles out I suspect Poch would be happy to be paid out. 

Things are so bad I don't even know if we can afford to do that.

3 hours ago, loz said:

As much as it feels like longer it's been less than a year!

Sorry, poor grammar, I meant he had moved nothing forward against the problems of the last few seasons, he has not addressed the same failings.

15 hours ago, big blue said:

Lets be honest, managers dont think like that. They get a lot of money from getting sacked, and they back themselves to succeed. We fired winning managers regularly and yet it never stops us attracting replacements.

We wont finish 6th anyway, so it is all a moot point.

Newcastle and United look just as bad if not worse than us.

We don't need to be incredible to come above these two. That's all 6th is. 

To cheer everybody up: the fixtures for our next disappointing season will be announced on 18 June. Yay.

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/article/fixture-release-date-for-2024-25-premier-league-season-confirmed

Edited April 25, 20242 yr by Valerie

6 hours ago, Victor90 said:

And look how quick many of you turned on Tuchel as soon as he had a blip in form, including yourself. 

Not saying you're entirely wrong, and even I'm off the Pochettino train. But there's a section of fans that literally can't give a manager time even when results aren't going our way. 

Nope. I wanted him to be given till the World Cup at the very earliest and that was only down to him allegedly losing the dressing room. His sack came as a surprise to anyone and I was never fully onboard to getting rid of him. 

Poch is Lampard is disguise. 

13 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

 

 

How'd he do that without Nkunku and Lavia?

I voted sacked but i think he will be there next season. The board got too much to take care of this summer, i dont think they wanna spend their time and energy on finding a new manager. I can see him get sacked in October next season if results dont improve though. Probably his last job at a "big club" as well.

20 hours ago, bisright1 said:

So many differences between the two games. We'd just played our 2nd biggest game of the season, we had lost our 2 best players to injury, playing away, and against a team that now has the ability to blow teams away. As they have done against multiple teams around us in the league in the last 2 months. 

But it's moot, we lost. I thought we would get hammered, we did. 

I don't think anyone else is going to hammer us. I don't think Tottenham or Villa beat us. If we lost those games then that's the real issue. 

Certainly at the very least I would be expecting to see a much better performance in the next 2 games after the humbling at Arsenal. Whether that is enough for us to get some positive results out of the games remains to be seen. If we don't then any chances of a European spot will definitely be over.