And here is the reality.

 

All the Olise talk, sign Kellyman.

All the striker talk, the latest being Johnathan David, sign Guiu.

His name is too much like Marc Guehi. I will get confused. 

I'm absolutely certain he stays at Barca. Hopefully I'm wrong as I think this would be a good signing. 

54 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I'm absolutely certain he stays at Barca. Hopefully I'm wrong as I think this would be a good signing. 

Same here. They’ve offered a contract - and he seems to be one of the local La Masia talents that’ll stay if possible.

But then again. New coach and Lewandowski/Roque is in front of him. Could defo happen - but time will tell. He’s interesting for sure, but doesn’t look like a massive or unique talent; hence the reason Barca haven’t sorted his situation out way earlier as the usually do.

11 hours ago, axman2526 said:

And here is the reality.

 

All the Olise talk, sign Kellyman.

All the striker talk, the latest being Johnathan David, sign Guiu.

But this is what Boehly told when they took over. We need to find the talent before they are the world beater. Under Roman we only bought world beaters. 

What makes us different to Brighton, Dortmund or any other talent growing club is we can and will buy the absolute top talents. As we have done so far. Andrey Santos and Cesare Casadei both were top of their age group. Estevao Willian is touted to be the next Neymar. Brighton for example have to buy the players that tier below in terms of expectation. 

It might work or it might bust but at least we are doing something else. Matt Law said it very well. Problem is the Chelsea fans who are not used in this model and are impatient. 

If that talented player is not working like we wanted we either place him to Strasbourg or other affiliate club and find the height of the talent and then sell on hopefully on a profit.

So what’s happening with Washington and the other striker fofana?

they haven’t been given a real chance yet, so where do they go?

1 hour ago, evissy said:

But this is what Boehly told when they took over. We need to find the talent before they are the world beater. Under Roman we only bought world beaters. 

What makes us different to Brighton, Dortmund or any other talent growing club is we can and will buy the absolute top talents. As we have done so far. Andrey Santos and Cesare Casadei both were top of their age group. Estevao Willian is touted to be the next Neymar. Brighton for example have to buy the players that tier below in terms of expectation. 

It might work or it might bust but at least we are doing something else. Matt Law said it very well. Problem is the Chelsea fans who are not used in this model and are impatient. 

If that talented player is not working like we wanted we either place him to Strasbourg or other affiliate club and find the height of the talent and then sell on hopefully on a profit.

Fans have been whining for years about us buying players from lesser clubs for massive money, asking why we cant sign them before the lesser clubs,. Well now were doing exactly that...and surprise surprise fans are whining because were signing prospects now...f**king idiots.

18 minutes ago, dkw said:

Fans have been whining for years about us buying players from lesser clubs for massive money, asking why we cant sign them before the lesser clubs,. Well now were doing exactly that...and surprise surprise fans are whining because were signing prospects now...f**king idiots.

People aren’t even grasping we can’t match wages simply because we don’t have extra revenue, IE Champions League.
 

These players have incentivized contracts that go up a massive percentage when we qualify. That is when the likes of Enzo, Palmer, etc, would be earning what Olise is demanding. 

1 hour ago, evissy said:

But this is what Boehly told when they took over. We need to find the talent before they are the world beater. Under Roman we only bought world beaters. 

What makes us different to Brighton, Dortmund or any other talent growing club is we can and will buy the absolute top talents. As we have done so far. Andrey Santos and Cesare Casadei both were top of their age group. Estevao Willian is touted to be the next Neymar. Brighton for example have to buy the players that tier below in terms of expectation. 

It might work or it might bust but at least we are doing something else. Matt Law said it very well. Problem is the Chelsea fans who are not used in this model and are impatient. 

If that talented player is not working like we wanted we either place him to Strasbourg or other affiliate club and find the height of the talent and then sell on hopefully on a profit.

The issue is you have to do both.

If we don't strengthen the first team then the players who are currently performing like Cole will want to leave. Is he going to wait 3-4 years for all these South American signings to develop and come good so he can win silverware here? No and I don't blame him and you can't have a wage cap at your club if you expect to challenge for silverware every season.

There's always a bigger fish and someone will come in and cherry pick the best players we have while the lot of them will want to move on because they are not challenging for trophies. It's not as simple as buying a bunch of 18 year kids and having them develop all at the same time to form some super team that will dominate football. There's going to be ups and downs and unhappy players along the way.

Every year we miss champions league football the more we will struggle to attract all these top talented players.

 

 

Edited June 24, 20242 yr by Sheva

52 minutes ago, dkw said:

Fans have been whining for years about us buying players from lesser clubs for massive money, asking why we cant sign them before the lesser clubs,. Well now were doing exactly that...and surprise surprise fans are whining because were signing prospects now...f**king idiots.

I think it is more about striking the right balance. Paying money for Deivid Washington, Diego Morreira and potentially this guy puts them immediately into an advantageous position over players that we already have and are developing.  Is this guy any better than Dujuan Richards. Washington isn't. Is Moreira better than Silcott-Duberry? Not from what i have seen. But we have made a, up front, and very public financial commitment to these players.

Acheampong, Samuels-Smith, Rak-Sakyi, Golding, George, Richards and Dyer are all staking a claim to progress up through the ranks. However, if Richards breaks through, as i think he could in the right circumstances, what does it say about the SD's that went out and paid £17m (€20) for Washington without checking whether we already had better here.

Its all well and good stockpiling these kids and paying money for them as long as we are aware that a) we are opening ourselves up to constant ridicule from the press, b) clubs are quite openly taking the pi$$ over valuation cos we are so easy and c) most importantly, there seems little point in running a domestic academy system because we will become so overloaded with 18,19 and 20 years olds that we won't be able to loan them out and recoup money of better still make a profit on them.

Its also about player identification as well. Villa signed that Morgan Rogers lad for an upfront of £8m rising to £16m i think. Not a generational talent. Perhaps not but more seasoned in competitive football than some we are being linked with at 5 times that fee. Personally, i am still very skeptical of these fantastic talents all playing in weak leagues or kids football.

Edited June 24, 20242 yr by WhiteWall

Hmmm..when talking about youth there are levels there. For example Cole Palmer and Noni Madueke are top performing u20 players. Same goes to Casadei and Andrey Santos. They are the most important players for their national youth setups. Naturally all of them can't be. For example Washington is probably not. We need to separate them as well and not just pile them up to be all the same. 

Estevao Willian is one of the biggest prospects to their country with Endrick since Neymar. Will they reach that is another question. We as a club have a big say in that nurturing that talent. 

Anyway my earliest point was we are doing something that we really didn't do before. Will it become a success story, no one really knows. Time will tell. Time that us fans clearly don't have. 

 

I will admit, i have just seen a Youtube clip and i remember this Guiu guy. I saw him make his professional debut. He came on and scored with his first touch. He looked pretty good then actually, tbh.

Maybe all the best wunder kids from all over the world want to play in the same team?   As it stands, some of the kids are not going to make it.  Butch Casadei and the Santos kid?  I cannot see them making the first team anytime soon.  Chukwuemeka - i am a big fan of the lad - but where does he fit into this team currently?

Estevao Willian's arrival may be the catalyst for Marc Guiu's desire to play for Chelsea? 

6 hours ago, Valerie said:

His name is too much like Marc Guehi. I will get confused. 

Well Guehi plays for Palace so that should help.

Genuinely surprised we might be about to get this deal through, from bits I've heard about him before he was going to be part of the next Barca academy crop regularly in the first team, he even scored a CL goal and a league goal last season for them.

2 hours ago, dkw said:

Fans have been whining for years about us buying players from lesser clubs for massive money, asking why we cant sign them before the lesser clubs,. Well now were doing exactly that...and surprise surprise fans are whining because were signing prospects now...f**king idiots.

So where does that leave fans who are massively critical of Jackson, Mudryk, Madueke and the other youngsters who have been signed and then castigated by fans?? We sign these players and theyre rounded on for being rubbish, or not performing to their levels... We've gone through 5 managers now in two seasons. I dont expect Maresca to stay in position beyond October if results arent going for us as our board are more trigger happy than a firing squad. 

We need a "pathway" into the team for talent we have in our academy. Why sign it elsewhere when it can produce players like Gallagher, Guehi, Abraham, Mount, RLC, Odoi, Christiensen etc... But most fans would loan players out to "develop" as theyre not the finished article. 

Fans need to understand the club has changed... not sure for the better just yet... but to be so critical of young players knowing that the club are only going to sign players with potential, fans have to check their realities. 

We've a new manager, new ideas, and the team will take time... for the fifth time in two years change playing styles and positions and blah blah blah. Marsca has got to get this group of players playing from gameweek 1 or Palmer, Jackson and the team will be picked off for better wages at other clubs and we'll continue in mid table flirting with relegation. 

I really need to Google this kid...lol

I imagine we're just being used as leverage for this guy to get a fat new contract at Barca.

4 minutes ago, Gordon Bennett said:

I imagine we're just being used as leverage for this guy to get a fat new contract at Barca.

Now that does seem likely.

2 hours ago, dkw said:

Fans have been whining for years about us buying players from lesser clubs for massive money, asking why we cant sign them before the lesser clubs,. Well now were doing exactly that...and surprise surprise fans are whining because were signing prospects now...f**king idiots.

Fans always find things to complain about, even sections of the City fanbase found things to complain about after they won the treble.

 

Still I appricate getting a slither of the old DKW magic, keep it up my man.

2 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

I think it is more about striking the right balance. Paying money for Deivid Washington, Diego Morreira and potentially this guy puts them immediately into an advantageous position over players that we already have and are developing.  Is this guy any better than Dujuan Richards. Washington isn't. Is Moreira better than Silcott-Duberry? Not from what i have seen. But we have made a, up front, and very public financial commitment to these players.

Acheampong, Samuels-Smith, Rak-Sakyi, Golding, George, Richards and Dyer are all staking a claim to progress up through the ranks. However, if Richards breaks through, as i think he could in the right circumstances, what does it say about the SD's that went out and paid £17m (€20) for Washington without checking whether we already had better here.

Its all well and good stockpiling these kids and paying money for them as long as we are aware that a) we are opening ourselves up to constant ridicule from the press, b) clubs are quite openly taking the pi$$ over valuation cos we are so easy and c) most importantly, there seems little point in running a domestic academy system because we will become so overloaded with 18,19 and 20 years olds that we won't be able to loan them out and recoup money of better still make a profit on them.

Its also about player identification as well. Villa signed that Morgan Rogers lad for an upfront of £8m rising to £16m i think. Not a generational talent. Perhaps not but more seasoned in competitive football than some we are being linked with at 5 times that fee. Personally, i am still very skeptical of these fantastic talents all playing in weak leagues or kids football.

Unfortunately with FFP and the other thing clubs like ours are having to find more ways to maximise assets, and that will mainly be using the academy to sell players., We have not really had to bother trying to make a profit from this during the Roman era as he just threw money in, but we are not that club anymore. If we want to supplement the first team squad through signings then that needs finance, one way is buying and selling players. We can use our position and situation as a club to do that, were still a very viable option for a lot of players no matter what the doom and gloom mongers like to say. So going forward I expect to see 2 or 3 at the very most first team players coming in during the transfer windows, with youth players being traded (its a horrible term but apt) to pay for these. 

Unfortunately I think he's using us to get a new deal with Barca.

Hope I'm wrong but a top La Masia product quitting on them just feels to good to be true.

 

Sources inside Barça feel it was an error to give Guiu exposure in the first team without having first tied him down to a longer deal with a higher release clause.  At that price we would have a total bargain.

Still most likely all talk - bargaining from the player and his entourage. But you never know. . .