Valerie Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 2 hours ago, TheCeleryKing said: There is a problem with stats. Statistics are not the entire picture. We have known for a long while that we have needed to sort out a goalkeeping situation and yet here we are and nothing seems clearer. Stop depressing me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ukraine Bolt Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 2 minutes ago, Valerie said: 24? He's 26, but both 26 and 24 would be too old. Valerie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerie Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 1 minute ago, Ukraine Bolt said: He's 26, but both 26 and 24 would be too old. 26 is ancient. We can't have geriatrics like that in our squad. Ukraine Bolt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkMata Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 10 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said: He's 26, but both 26 and 24 would be too old. Funny Alisson was 25 when we decided he was too expensive and he went to Liverpool. Terrible signing the Scousers are never gonna get their money back now he’s 31! WhiteWall and dkw 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evissy Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 https://www.instagram.com/p/C9zEe1wIiqM/?igsh=MWprajY5dDZlMXMxcw== This is on for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ukraine Bolt Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 17 hours ago, DarkMata said: Funny Alisson was 25 when we decided he was too expensive and he went to Liverpool. Terrible signing the Scousers are never gonna get their money back now he’s 31! Too old. I don't want to see a single hair on any of our players chests. DarkMata 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dermott Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 1 hour ago, Ukraine Bolt said: Too old. I don't want to see a single hair on any of our players chests. I'm not sure that the chest is where the first hair appears. You can get back to us with the results of your inspections. Simplymo and ozboy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ukraine Bolt Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Jorgensen keen on the move. Of course he f**king is, these players that have proven nothing in their careers to date must think they've won the lottery when we come knocking. Less than 30 appearances and no stand out stats? Oooh go on then, he's £100k a week for the next decade. DidierDrogbalala and Scott Harris 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeta Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Looking at the stats, maybe we should just give up and have Kepa back. axman2526 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bennett Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Another member of the mediocre goalkeepers club of SW6. Absolutely baffling. Ukraine Bolt and DidierDrogbalala 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NestorGarde Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Ukraine Bolt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWall Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 21 hours ago, DarkMata said: Funny Alisson was 25 when we decided he was too expensive and he went to Liverpool. Terrible signing the Scousers are never gonna get their money back now he’s 31! and technically coming into his prime, in goalkeeping terms DarkMata 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWall Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 1 hour ago, NestorGarde said: Simplymo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaz Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 So we've signed 3 keepers: Slonina, Sanchez and Petrovic and still need a keeper. 4 strikers: Datro, Washington, Jackson and Guiu and still need a striker. Absolutely baffling how no one in recruiting is getting sacked over this. DidierDrogbalala, DarkMata, Gordon Bennett and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sconnie Blue Posted July 24 Author Share Posted July 24 @Sexyfootball Can you make a comparison of Ederson's last season at Benfica to Jörgensen's last season at Villarreal? Desperately clinging on to the hope he can improve under the right set up but we are genuinely signing Kepa who's just better with his feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bennett Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 I've read that last year was his break out season and he started off poorly but since Nov / Dec his form has been fantastic and if he were continue on that trajectory he'd be attracting bids from all the top clubs. Maybe we're ahead of the curve ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexyfootball Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said: @Sexyfootball Can you make a comparison of Ederson's last season at Benfica to Jörgensen's last season at Villarreal? Desperately clinging on to the hope he can improve under the right set up but we are genuinely signing Kepa who's just better with his feet. There's no data that far back for Ederson on the Advanced Goalkeeping, but the standard comparison is as follows : Benfica did win the league that season of course, so you'd expect a lot of the metrics to look better then Jorgensen's do for 8th placed Villarreal 🙂 "Computer says Bulka" for me though 🙂 Edited July 24 by Sexyfootball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sconnie Blue Posted July 24 Author Share Posted July 24 45 minutes ago, Gordon Bennett said: I've read that last year was his break out season and he started off poorly but since Nov / Dec his form has been fantastic and if he were continue on that trajectory he'd be attracting bids from all the top clubs. Maybe we're ahead of the curve ? Hoping that's the case. I think he's a big reason why Villarreal weren't relegated last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axman2526 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 For the money spent on Sanchez, Petro, Gaga and now Jorgensen, we could have got Diogo Costa. However the club likely expects profits on Petro, Gaga and Jorgensen, and to make do with Sanchez... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyDowsleftflank Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 I havent watched Jørgensen myself, to be honest. But, listening to Villarreal fans, they were outraged how he kept his place in goal for them last season. Close followers of La Liga say the same: how are Chelsea even interested in this guy? Seems we are doing what this ownership love to do - spend money to downgrade the quality of the squad Lers hope Winstanley/Stewart know better than the rest of the world! 😳 ducavis, Sconnie Blue and Sexyfootball 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sconnie Blue Posted July 24 Author Share Posted July 24 3 minutes ago, AndyDowsleftflank said: I havent watched Jørgensen myself, to be honest. But, listening to Villarreal fans, they were outraged how he kept his place in goal for them last season. Close followers of La Liga say the same: how are Chelsea even interested in this guy? Seems we are doing what this ownership love to do - spend money to downgrade the quality of the squad Lers hope Winstanley/Stewart know better than the rest of the world! 😳 I remember Lyon fans were criticizing Gusto to be fair and wondered why we were after him. Signs aren't good though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyDowsleftflank Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 7 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said: I remember Lyon fans were criticizing Gusto to be fair and wondered why we were after him. Signs aren't good though. Yes, but there were some glowing reports from other sources as well. On Jørgensen, its all crap. I’ve actually never heard such universal negative reviews on a player we’ve been linked with. So basically, as if gambling on Sanchez despite all the evidence he’s nowhere near good enough wasn’t enough, we’re getting rid of our trustworthy if unspectacular fail-safe in Petrovic and replace him with another crazy gamble in Jørgensen. Well, gamble indicates you might win big so maybe gamble is the wrong word 😂 Are there no grown ups at the club who question why we sign all these goalkeepers for all that money and still we dont have a single one at a high PL-level? Again, havent seen him play so have to go by what others say on this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sconnie Blue Posted July 24 Author Share Posted July 24 23 minutes ago, AndyDowsleftflank said: Yes, but there were some glowing reports from other sources as well. On Jørgensen, its all crap. I’ve actually never heard such universal negative reviews on a player we’ve been linked with. So basically, as if gambling on Sanchez despite all the evidence he’s nowhere near good enough wasn’t enough, we’re getting rid of our trustworthy if unspectacular fail-safe in Petrovic and replace him with another crazy gamble in Jørgensen. Well, gamble indicates you might win big so maybe gamble is the wrong word 😂 Are there no grown ups at the club who question why we sign all these goalkeepers for all that money and still we dont have a single one at a high PL-level? Again, havent seen him play so have to go by what others say on this one After scourging through his data metrics I think I finally see what the directors are seeing. As @Gordon Bennett mentioned, I think we are getting him at the start of his trajectory. He seems like a pretty good shot stopper amidst being on a defensively shambolic Villarreal side. He's faced the most shots in the league, has a very good save rate and still has the highest post shot expected goals metric in the league. The negative PSxG metric I won't hold him entirely accountable for given how poor Villarreal were as a team defensively. (Takes goals against into account) He's pretty good at stopping crosses amidst facing the most crosses in the league, and he is fairly comfortable with the ball. I think its a case of ironing out his weaknesses and putting him in a system that highlights his strengths. Gordon Bennett 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM7 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 He’ll probably be good with his feet but terrible at actual goalkeeping. Valerie and Simplymo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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