this is irrelevant to other players in the team, this is a discussion based on the point i made that at present, sanchez is better and more effective than hazard.

you argued consistency and stated that sanchez hasnt played consistently well for a season, which is rubbish. he was arsenal's stand out player last season in what was a fairly abject campaign for the gunners. to state that in order to be deemed a more effective, or better, player then said player's team must win the league is ridiculous. sanchez has delivered strong performances consistently over a sustained period of time, barring injury, which has now carried over into this season.

hazard, on the other hand, had a very good season last year, won all the plaudits, but now finds himself ineffective to the point whereby he has been benched due to his erratic form. the point re: consistency therefore does not stand up to scrutiny.

sanchez could go on and have a blinder for the remainder of the season, regardless of trophies delivered, he can still be a better player than a comparative from a trophy winning team.

sorry, but your point doesnt make sense to me. as it stands, id sooner have sanchez.

I stated he wasn't as consistent as Hazard over the season not that he himself wasn't consistent so please try to read what I write instead of going off on some strange ramble.

Sanchez has had several periods of poor form over the two seasons stretching out to a number of games so it's not as if he's been playing fantastic football over the course like you are making out.

It was only last month he was getting it heavy from the media for his poor start to the season remember? Hazards poor spell is lasting longer but I'd imagine that's more to do with our whole squad being pony just now.

That's fine, I'd sooner have Hazard because a poor start to this season doesn't take away from the fact he was head and shoulders above everyone else for a year last season.

Edited October 26, 201510 yr by Chelsbear

this is irrelevant to other players in the team, this is a discussion based on the point i made that at present, sanchez is better and more effective than hazard.

you argued consistency and stated that sanchez hasnt played consistently well for a season, which is rubbish. he was arsenal's stand out player last season in what was a fairly abject campaign for the gunners. to state that in order to be deemed a more effective, or better, player then said player's team must win the league is ridiculous. sanchez has delivered strong performances consistently over a sustained period of time, barring injury, which has now carried over into this season.

hazard, on the other hand, had a very good season last year, won all the plaudits, but now finds himself ineffective to the point whereby he has been benched due to his erratic form. the point re: consistency therefore does not stand up to scrutiny.

sanchez could go on and have a blinder for the remainder of the season, regardless of trophies delivered, he can still be a better player than a comparative from a trophy winning team.

sorry, but your point doesnt make sense to me. as it stands, id sooner have sanchez.

Sorry to butt in. Not debating who is better player or who you would rather have. Hazard was more consistent than Sanchez last season, why? There's actually a player power ranking system (ea sports player performance index) on the official premier league website where players are rated week in week out, hazard lead by a strong margin the whole of last season ( couldn't find last season stats), if he wasn't consistent there was no way he would have remained top from the very 1st day to the last day of the league

Hazard played in a far better team than Sanchez last season too. I'm sure that had an impact.

I stated he wasn't as consistent as Hazard over the season not that he himself wasn't consistent so please try to read what I write instead of going off on some strange ramble.

Sanchez has had several periods of poor form over the two seasons stretching out to a number of games so it's not as if he's been playing fantastic football over the course like you are making out.

It was only last month he was getting it heavy from the media for his poor start to the season remember? Hazards poor spell is lasting longer but I'd imagine that's more to do with our whole squad being pony just now.

That's fine, I'd sooner have Hazard because a poor start to this season doesn't take away from the fact he was head and shoulders above everyone else for a year last season.

 

disagree that there was anything "strange" about my "ramble" which was actually a fairly measured response and opinion (its allowed) to your initial post re: consistency, which wasnt clear; i did read what you wrote, and responded accordingly, again with my opinion (its allowed). 

 

you'd rather have hazard at present, and you believe his form is down to the fact our whole squad is underperforming. 

 

i would rather have sanchez at present, as i feel he is offering more, and is performing better coming off the back of a strong season last season and if anything, is showing that he has further scope for improvement. 

 

its a difference of opinion, its allowed. 

Hazard played in a far better team than Sanchez last season too. I'm sure that had an impact.

Exactly this. 

 

with the point being that if the form of hazard is down to those around him, then who is to say that had sanchez been in our team last season that he wouldnt have gone on and ploughed his way to all the awards going ahead of hazard. 

 

all guess work and assumption which limits the actual comparison almost rendering it null and void. 

 

i think, at the moment, sanchez is performing at a higher standard, and is exactly the type of player and grafter that we could do with right now. 

 

id better stop though, before i go off on another "strange ramble".

Hazard looks like he's fallen out Jose. Doesn't seem that he's happy. I really hope I am wrong.

Hazard looks like he's fallen out Jose. Doesn't seem that he's happy. I really hope I am wrong.

You're not wrong, that's exactly what's happened and it's not just hazard who's fallen out with him.

You're not wrong, that's exactly what's happened and it's not just hazard who's fallen out with him.

Go on then brainiac, give us the full list of players who have fallen out with Mourinho. And also tell us how you know this please?

I don't have the stats to back it up, but he doesn't seems to take on defenders like he used to last season. He seems to be happy just play it short to another player instead of doing one of the trademark solo run. Short of confidence, getting kicked out of the game, not willing? Take your pick there. Last year he looked a lot more cheerful, even laughed off bad tackles at times. Right now he looked tense and angry like the rest of the team, don't think that's helping his game either.

yes he has.

 

alexis sanchez player stats 14/15

PL appearances 35

Goals 16

Assists 8

 

hazard player stats 14/15

PL appearances 38

Goals 14

Assists 10

 

sanchez has continued his good form

 

eden has not. 

 

i disagree with your point regards consistency. performance data taken from transfermarkt.com. Happy to be corrected but as it stands, sanchez is showing more for me than hazard. 

 

edit: beaten to it. albeit with different conclusion

That clown Sanchez isn't close to Hazard. Just stop.

 

Barca binned him for a reason. Hazard is far ahead in terms of ability, it's not even close, Sanchez just thrives playing for an offensively potent team. He couldn't dream of doing what Eden did last season. Especially in the 2nd half where he was virtually a one man team.

 

You'll bring up his stats this season but even Vardy is outperforming Hazard this season. Guess he's the better player as well. Hazard can join literally any team he wants. There's a reason Bayern, Madrid, United, Barca are all keeping tabs on him.

I'd take the best Hazard over the best Sanchez.

hazard is good, really think he's the closest to the famous duo in term of potential but suarez, bale, robben are ahead in term of impact..

Hazard likely has a bit of a sulk on because Jose has told him he expects more of him, perhaps he has lost some form and it's giving him the hump because when he tries things they are not quite coming off, hence playing it safe more than he used to...it happens when confidence is low and sometimes players gradually get some form back by doing it.

 

The whole team isn't playing badly at all, Azpilicueta, William, Zouma, Mikel, Begovic, Loftus Cheek to name a few are all playing well, do people think there is some sort of split in the dressing room and these players are all cuddly with Jose while the out of form players are out of form because they don't want him there?

 

If so why does Ivanovic get so much stick from people? he obviously is getting on alright with the manager yet his form is arguably one of the worst.

 

People twist everything to their own agenda and the media always get there man because of the unrest they cause, if everyone gave the idiot press the disrespect they deserve and got on with supporting the team without guessing what might be the root cause of losing a few games we would likely be better off for it.

 

I hope Roman is sitting with his cornflakes and orange juice in the mornings on his Yacht, laughing his nuts off at the headlines in the knowledge he's gonna see this one out with the man he knows is the best choice for the club.

15th after 10 games, 11 points out of possible 30, pretty much zero chances created from open play and still the denial?

 

ok, if this season is on jose 1st season, many would jump on the rebuilding/transition bandwagon but this is his 3rd season coming off from being the champion.. 

 

Apart from the manager losing the dressing room, I can not possible thinking about any logical reason for such predicament..

According to Lequippe he has told teammates he wants to leave at the end of the season. Don't know if it's a reputable paper but there you go. Wouldn't say I'm surprised as his whole body language tells of someone who'd rather be somewhere else.

Don't know if it's a reputable paper but there you go.

 

It's about as reliable as you are at contributing something of worth to this forum. 

It's about as reliable as you are at contributing something of worth to this forum.

Bliley, it's that bad?

I thought Willian/Hazard/Costa all should be rested tonight, of course Jose thought differently. If Pedro is fit, I could see Hazard get dropped, which won't help his confidence either.

He needs to f**king well sort it out.

Well he hasn't ben playing too well for Belgium either and Marc Wilmots criticised him publicly.

He is less than half the player last season. Looks absolutely shot. I don't know if it's confidence, a lack of work rate, or just plain can't be bothered any more. I hope/think it's not the latter.

May I suggest just telling him to go away on holiday for a couple of weeks? Give someone else a go (Pedro, Kenedy, whoever) and let Eden clear his head. I don't know what's best for him at the moment.

Frustrating.

There were a few moments where he did well today. Better than of late at least. Just the finish was lacking once or twice and we would have been talking about Hazard being back again.

BTW. Wasn't his last miss also one where smashed it?

I thought you guys claimed an unfit Hazard is better than Moses! Jose should admit allowing Moses to go on loan was a terrible mistake as Moses is currently better than all our wingers including Pedro

I thought you guys claimed an unfit Hazard is better than Moses! Jose should admit allowing Moses to go on loan was a terrible mistake as Moses is currently better than all our wingers including Pedro

To be fair old gabby ambrosetti was better than the form of our current wingers lol.