I'm on the fence about this one. Would love him here another year, been superb this season, but highly doubt he will be anything but a benchwarmer collecting a large salary in 3yrs time. Suppose we could offer him the 2yr option, or a 3yr option on lower wages, then leave it up to him 🤷‍♂️

Willian is the kind of player people love to moan about when he's here but will miss when he's gone. I'm very excited about us assembling all that young talent  but you won't get anywhere without experience. If we can keep him for another season, I'm all for that.

44 minutes ago, abramovich said:

Willian is the kind of player people love to moan about when he's here but will miss when he's gone. I'm very excited about us assembling all that young talent  but you won't get anywhere without experience. If we can keep him for another season, I'm all for that.

What is this experience you talk about? Experience in not beating the first man in a corner? Experience in making the wrong decision constantly on the pitch? If anything he's a bad influence in that respect. He's the same as Luiz, on the pitch he isn't a good infleunce. He puts a lot of effort in when he wants to but busting your arse should be the absolute minimum for every player and if they can't do that they shouldn't be in the squad.

Willian always have been a hard working player, every game.

1 hour ago, dansubrosa said:

Willian always have been a hard working player, every game.

Can you honestly say that, 'hard working every game'. i have seriously missed that over the past seven years.

I agree totally with Kev, In that Willian has been hard working this season, due to his playing for a nice new contract.

I don't buy this thing that he's only working more to get a new contract...

He has been the same player for all this time: same end product, same free kicks and same corners  but just like that, the same work rate and the same samba-way of running with the ball...That season when we looked like we could go down, he was the one carrying us to that 10th-11th place finish, as bad as it was I think he was always willing to play.

Chis Pulisic is more direct than Hazard and that alone gives Willian way more space.
Since Chris is playing so well no wonder Willian gets to be ignored more by the opposition so that's a big factor why Willian scored 4 goals in the last 5 games and also made 3 assists.

 

28 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

That season when we looked like we could go down, he was the one carrying us to that 10th-11th place finish

He scored 5 goals that season that won 1 point.

9/26/15 vs. Newcastle (18th)
10/3/15 vs. Southampton (6th)
1/3/16  vs. Palace (15th)
2/13/16 vs. Newcastle (18th) (1st time at the Bridge for me... woohoo)
4/23/16 vs. Bournemouth (16th)

Signed his contract extension after that season.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/chelsea/story/2911932/willian-signs-chelsea-contract-extension-until-2020

 

 

 

Edited July 10, 20206 yr by Skinnedy

1 minute ago, Skinnedy said:

He scored 5 goals that season that won 1 point.

9/26/15 vs. Newcastle (18th)
10/3/15 vs. Southampton (6th)
1/3/16  vs. Palace (15th)
2/13/16 vs. Newcastle (18th) (1st time at the Bridge for me... woohoo)
4/23/16 vs. Bournemouth (16th)

 

 

In my memory he was one of our best players, oh well at least he's scoring a bit more now...

Just now, Gol15 said:

In my memory he was one of our best players, oh well at least he's scoring a bit more now...

he was voted player of the year that season

I won't argue the merits of that vote

He just didn't carry us in the league that season. He scored 5 goals in 8 CL appearances. Solid work there. 

42 minutes ago, Skinnedy said:

he was voted player of the year that season

I won't argue the merits of that vote

He just didn't carry us in the league that season. He scored 5 goals in 8 CL appearances. Solid work there. 

Honestly i think his level that season was a bit overblown, he didn't score from open play until December it was just he maintained his level which in looked incredible due to what was going on around him.

He is a lot better currently and was during that period in and around the Barca games.  

52 minutes ago, Skinnedy said:

he was voted player of the year that season

I won't argue the merits of that vote

He just didn't carry us in the league that season. He scored 5 goals in 8 CL appearances. Solid work there. 

I checked on wikipedia   that season he scored in total 11 goals, the same amount as he has currently this season.

So yea I'm sure now that he isn't pushing it for a new contract this is basically him being himself as usual, he was never that big of a scorer but he always did the running...

I think a player like him that has been a part of the club for so long probably knows that asking for 3 years extension is very much over the top of any realistic expectation, so maybe that is his way of saying that he wants to leave without saying it...
...just saying...
...what do you say?

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

Since Chris is playing so well no wonder Willian gets to be ignored more by the opposition so that's a big factor why Willian scored 4 goals in the last 5 games and also made 3 assists.

The biggest factor there is Pulisic winning 3 penalties and Willian taking them all. 

2 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

The biggest factor there is Pulisic winning 3 penalties and Willian taking them all. 

So you agree with me, what a historical moment we gotta celebrate 

1 minute ago, Gol15 said:

what do you say?

I think a team that's serious about competing for a title won't have Willian as a #10

I think Willian is going to be named Chelsea's POTY again, and it's no coincidence that Chelsea is going to finish 30 points off a title in both seasons Willian was considered POTY (see point 1)

I think my biggest gripe with Willian has been his body language and poor attitude, which hasnt been an issue this year. He rarely throws his hands up at his teammates, and attitude has been generally great. I think this is BY FAR his best season. 

I think statistically he's benefitting from Eden Hazard being gone and getting to get his best league goal tally because of his top notch penalty taking. 

I think he's allergic to the penalty area. He doesnt track back so much as that he rarely goes forward (when's the last time you saw Willian on a far post run?)

I think he'd be a great player to have in the squad of this was FIFA. But I think he has 10X the ego of Pedro, and won't settle well as a role player. He certainly didnt under Conte, even though Conte brought the best out of him. 

I'm hoping this is his last season with Chelsea and he can go out with this kind of form and be remembered fondly by the majority of fans. 

4 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

So you agree with me, what a historical moment we gotta celebrate 

 Not really, Pulisic playing well isn’t making Willian play better because the opposition ‘ignore him’. He’s just benefitting from Pulisic winning so many penalties and Jorginho not being on the pitch to take them instead. 

1 minute ago, Skinnedy said:

I think a team that's serious about competing for a title won't have Willian as a #10

I think Willian is going to be named Chelsea's POTY again, and it's no coincidence that Chelsea is going to finish 30 points off a title in both seasons Willian was considered POTY (see point 1)

I think my biggest gripe with Willian has been his body language and poor attitude, which hasnt been an issue this year. He rarely throws his hands up at his teammates, and attitude has been generally great. I think this is BY FAR his best season. 

I think statistically he's benefitting from Eden Hazard being gone and getting to get his best league goal tally because of his top notch penalty taking. 

I think he's allergic to the penalty area. He doesnt track back so much as that he rarely goes forward (when's the last time you saw Willian on a far post run?)

I think he'd be a great player to have in the squad of this was FIFA. But I think he has 10X the ego of Pedro, and won't settle well as a role player. He certainly didnt under Conte, even though Conte brought the best out of him. 

I'm hoping this is his last season with Chelsea and he can go out with this kind of form and be remembered fondly by the majority of fans. 

Thanks for this answer I really appreciate it and I didn't expect such an honest response, cheers.

At this point I'm very confident that Chelsea won't offer him any kind of a new deal and even less a 3-year deal so your wish will come true soon enough.

1 minute ago, Munkworth said:

 Not really, Pulisic playing well isn’t making Willian play better because the opposition ‘ignore him’. He’s just benefitting from Pulisic winning so many penalties and Jorginho not being on the pitch to take them instead. 

Oh...well we almost had it there, it was close. Reminds me of my last poker game where I lost 10 bucks on the turn, maybe next time I'll get more lucky.

He is probably the best defensive winger ever. He's been here for more than 7 years now and I still don't remember his mistake that cost us points neither a situation that he got lazy and the opponent LB made an assist or score.

And we are talking about 2010's football. The LB's and RB's main job had switched from defending opponents wingers to making runs, scoring goals and making assists. And Willian were pretty damn good at locking them down. 

Sorry, but i recall a few times when Willian failed to track back, costing us a goal.  Did we lose points in those games?  I don’t know, but I am inclined to say yes.

To say he is the best defensive winger EVER is poppycock.  Are you his agent?

 

12 hours ago, rtwelch said:

What is this experience you talk about? Experience in not beating the first man in a corner? Experience in making the wrong decision constantly on the pitch? If anything he's a bad influence in that respect. He's the same as Luiz, on the pitch he isn't a good infleunce. He puts a lot of effort in when he wants to but busting your arse should be the absolute minimum for every player and if they can't do that they shouldn't be in the squad.

 

Cringe..

 

 

Edited July 10, 20206 yr by kinni

9 hours ago, Phillip said:

Sorry, but i recall a few times when Willian failed to track back, costing us a goal.  Did we lose points in those games?  I don’t know, but I am inclined to say yes.

To say he is the best defensive winger EVER is poppycock.  Are you his agent?

 

Even if there were any still doesn't change the fact that he's locked many and he is constantly working in that area. I have never seen any other player on his position working so much defensively.

Sure you can show me a couple of mistakes. He's been here for 7 years. What I know about him is that players like Marcelo, TA Arnold, Walker, Sandro, not particularly those players but those type, which is the main type of WB in todays football, they are having a really difficult times trying to breach the wing Willian is defending. 

4 hours ago, Droopy said:

Even if there were any still doesn't change the fact that he's locked many and he is constantly working in that area. I have never seen any other player on his position working so much defensively.

Sure you can show me a couple of mistakes. He's been here for 7 years. What I know about him is that players like Marcelo, TA Arnold, Walker, Sandro, not particularly those players but those type, which is the main type of WB in todays football, they are having a really difficult times trying to breach the wing Willian is defending. 

I lost count the amount of times a player over lapped past James last game. Could have been Barkley not tracking back, but it was Willian's wing. 

 

He Annoyed Me Yesterday, Yeah No-One Really Played Okay, But He Looked Disinterested From The Get Go, He Couldn't Even Be Bothered To Take His Guy Back For Their Second Goal, Even Blocking James Off From Attempting To Track Back, I'd Personally Drop Him For The Norwich Game, But I Ain't Even Close To Being A Manager