6 minutes ago, the special one said:

As far as I'm concerned whoever signs him finishes above us next season.

Willian was good yesterday. There are few players more effective with the ball in the defensive third, but there are few players less effective with the ball in the attacking third. 

So yesterday's game suited him well. We conceded the bulk of possession and were in our half a lot. 

But Arsenal is a lot more than a Willian away from finishing above Chelsea. 

(And there aren't reports of him getting a 3 year deal with Chelsea. The more credible talks are that he's already chosen his next team... to me, Arsenal makes more sense than Spurs)

 

19 minutes ago, the special one said:

As far as I'm concerned whoever signs him finishes above us next season. Worth a 2 year contract imho. For me Ziyech replaces Pedro leaving us with a huge void to fill if Willian leaves.

Are you joking? Theres no way Arsenal or Spurs are finishing above Chelsea with just signing Willian alone, I would take the future of Pulisic, Werner, Ziyech and CHO over Willian. To me Pulisic has shown what you expect from your attacking trio in the last 2 games, he offers so much more going forward.

I know people like to jump on the bandwagon after 1 game but it's the perfect time for the club and Willian to move on or at the most a 1 year deal.

Edited June 26, 20206 yr by Ernie_blue

1 minute ago, Ernie_blue said:

Are you joking? Theres no way Arsenal or Spurs are finishing above Chelsea with just signing Willian alone, I would take the future of Pulisic, Werner, Ziyech and CHO over Willian. To me Pulisic has shown what you expect from your attacking trio in the last 2 games, he offers so much more going forward.

I know people like to jump on the bandwagon after 1 game but it's the perfect time for the club and Willian to move on or at the very least a 1 year deal.

I think I'm more concerned about United signing him, if they sign Willian and Grealish I have no doubt they'll be up there challenging.

I agree with the notion that perhaps the time is right to part ways but for me it seems bizarre to let a player of Willian's calibre go without proven quality to replace him.

Jesus there is some nonsense in this thread. 

Willian is world class for about 10-15% of games. He was good yesterday, but his end product is still consistently poor for someone with his talent. Even the chance that led to the penalty he got lucky as a simple cross was blocked and came back to him. 

If he is happy to play occasionally next season and take the wage cut that comes with that role, then keep him. But he won't be so let's move him on. Ziyech is replacing Willian in my book. If Willian wants to replace Pedro then fine, but that is a role that could be better taken by a youth player.

I'd love to see him at Arsenal. Yet another player that will drive that fanbase mad. 

Edited June 26, 20206 yr by bisright1

1 hour ago, the special one said:

As far as I'm concerned whoever signs him finishes above us next season. 

Dont be silly.

It's between Spurs and Arsenal for him, the former has little chance of finishing above us and there's not a snowball's chance in hell the latter does.

1 hour ago, the special one said:

As far as I'm concerned whoever signs him finishes above us next season. Worth a 2 year contract imho. For me Ziyech replaces Pedro leaving us with a huge void to fill if Willian leaves.

I disagree. Willian is inconsistent enough that he won't be that much of a threat provided we replaced him properly.

He'll always hit the first man when crossing, he dribbles to blind alleys and he is reluctant to shoot. A manager that can make him more effective for me is Pep Guardiola, I doubt any other manager can get him to produce insane numbers

I wonder if Lampard thinks CHO is ready to play as backup to Ziyech especially considering that Ziyech may take time to settle into his new role and CHO may get serious game time during that transition period. It is a tough decision if Willian is not willing to accept a 2 year extension, with a 3 year deal we could have ourselves a Ozil/Arsenal like situation especially if Willian starts sulking after a season over lack of game time. 

When Ziyech gets 15 goals and 15 assists you won’t miss Willian one bit 

3 hours ago, Brutos said:

He hate Willian gets is just staggering never understood this when he leaves you will see the gap he has left get exposed. He's one my favourite Chelsea players of all time. His ability to run all game but still turn in on in the dying moments of the match to create a chance that led to our goal show's how important he is for us. Also that ability to go from 0 to 100 in an instant leaving defender's back peddling he a very difficult skill not many can do it very few.

He deserves a lot more respect I hope he stays a couple more year's especially with so many young players around.

Why do you keep saying hate? It's frustration, not hate. We have been watching a player for 7 years who clearly has all of the talent in the world but can't find consistent end product. I have always struggled to understand how Willian can pick up the ball from deep, turn and dribble past a few players and set up an attack, but when he is asked to do the same in attack, he rarely does it or simply can't do it.  

31 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Why do you keep saying hate? It's frustration, not hate. We have been watching a player for 7 years who clearly has all of the talent in the world but can't find consistent end product. I have always struggled to understand how Willian can pick up the ball from deep, turn and dribble past a few players and set up an attack, but when he is asked to do the same in attack, he rarely does it or simply can't do it.  

I can understand it Scott, I think most of us have unrealistic expectations of Willian.

He has sored some wonderful goals and it seems like we expect it nearly every time he gets the ball.  He was often on the bench when we had Hazard yet since Hazard has left we play a different game and so he does not play the Hazard position. He has to run and help defensively much more. How much extra running detracts from his set piece delivery I'm not sure.

His main strengths seem to be the number of sprints he can complete in a match and with Sterling probably the most in the game.

His ability to hold the ball from an opponent in tight spaces is probably the best in the team right now.

His set piece delivery is inconsistent and sometimes he makes the wrong decisions.

I still expect him to go though, three year contract is too long.

 

4 hours ago, the special one said:

As far as I'm concerned whoever signs him finishes above us next season. Worth a 2 year contract imho. For me Ziyech replaces Pedro leaving us with a huge void to fill if Willian leaves.

Wow that's a statement. Ziyech coming in, Pulisic hitting form Werner going to hit the floor running and whoever he goes to is going to finish above us. Ridiculous. Put your mortgage on that.

To put this in context......is someone seriously saying we will feel the impact of losing Willian now more than we felt the impact of losing Hazard during a transfer ban?!?!?

 

I mean....maybe.....I guess.... it's just not bloody likely though, is it?

4 hours ago, the special one said:

As far as I'm concerned whoever signs him finishes above us next season.

Lol. Along with Lewis Cook and Grealish?

8 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Really?? I thought he did next to nothing other than convert the penalty. All the attacking intent came from Pulisic and Tammy once he came on. 

I actually agree with you this time, I don't think Willian was particularly good last game, and his squared ball that lead to our 2nd goal was horrendous, luckily we got a rebound. 

If we can keep Willian for another year I say we should, he's still a quality player and offers a lot of experience. But sadly he isn't interested in another year, giving him more than 1 year at this point is a mistake. 

I think one more year would probably be about right for both parties. Allows us to keep some experience while we can develop younger players. It’s a shame an agreement is looking unlikely. 

He'll be very nearly 32 when the season ends, so that 3rd year will be when he is 34/35 so it's a bit risky giving him that. If he is to stay it would be if other clubs, most importantly London clubs like Spurs and Arsenal give him 2 years as well.

7 hours ago, the special one said:

As far as I'm concerned whoever signs him finishes above us next season. Worth a 2 year contract imho. For me Ziyech replaces Pedro leaving us with a huge void to fill if Willian leaves.

Makes you wonder why didn’t win it every time he was here playing for us.

2 hours ago, Slojo said:

If we can keep Willian for another year I say we should, he's still a quality player and offers a lot of experience. But sadly he isn't interested in another year, giving him more than 1 year at this point is a mistake. 

God No! This has been his most productive season ever, and that is because he is looking for a new contract with the huge sign on fee. 
 

He might revert to type when he gets that new contract, and how motivated will he be if he is starting on the bench? Saw some new comments from him today & seems he is changing his tune about moving away. Makes no sense giving him a new contract when potentially we have Werner/Pulisic/Ziyech/CHO potentially as wingers next season. He is going to be an expensive signing wherever he ends up because of the sign on fee. Arsenal fans are fuming because the Luiz 1yr deal ended up costing them £24m when you factor in agent fees, wages, sign on fees & the £7m or so fee we got from Arsenal.

 

Very few 32 year olds would get a three year deal at a top European club, we are talking the likes of Ronaldo, Mess, Zlatan etc. I don't think Willian has earned that, 2 year deal is more than generous. I don't think United or Spurs would offer him 3 years either. To be honest, I reckon who ever offer him loads of money on a 3 years deal will end up pretty disappointed in 6-12 months time.

22 hours ago, the special one said:

I think I'm more concerned about United signing him, if they sign Willian and Grealish I have no doubt they'll be up there challenging.

I agree with the notion that perhaps the time is right to part ways but for me it seems bizarre to let a player of Willian's calibre go without proven quality to replace him.

Oh give over with the Grealish bollocks. If he goes to Utd he isn't getting the squad over Pogba or Fernandes in the middle. He isn't improving that team at all. Same goes with Willian, he isn't starting over Rashford on the left and what does he have that Dan James doesn't on the right?

22 hours ago, the special one said:

I think I'm more concerned about United signing him, if they sign Willian and Grealish I have no doubt they'll be up there challenging.

I agree with the notion that perhaps the time is right to part ways but for me it seems bizarre to let a player of Willian's calibre go without proven quality to replace him.

Willian is talented. Yes.

Is he someone that will provide the final X Factor for a title winning side? No.

He has great skill on the ball, high energy off the ball with great tracking runs, ability to fend off opposition in tight spaces, has stamina and pace to burn with a banger of a right foot. 

All this in the middle third, as soon as he reaches the final third, all that talent vanishes and he makes baffling decisions. His goals are from the sheer amount of possession that we have.

Put someone like Adama Traore in his place over the years and we would probably get better numbers

 

Willian in his last 5 games:

Assist against Leicester City

Goal against Manchester City (penalty)

None against Aston Villa

Goal and assist against Everton

Goal against Liverpool

 

I'm happy to see these numbers by him, I really hope that he will continue in that way in the last games of the season.

24 minutes ago, IliyaKrostin said:

Willian in his last 5 games:

Assist against Leicester City

Goal against Manchester City (penalty)

None against Aston Villa

Goal and assist against Everton

Goal against Liverpool

 

I'm happy to see these numbers by him, I really hope that he will continue in that way in the last games of the season.

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Just shows that he's playing for the contract. No right no wrong but Willian's quality shines when his contract is due

Fantastic cross after a very very poor game, but that's why he gets kept on because WIllian can still always pull something out the bag.