7 hours ago, Slojo said:

You could say the same for Bakayoko, look how that turned out.

You don't just drop unproven youngsters in the deep end. 

There are examples on both sides although remember Bakayoko had played for Monaco and on the big stage regularly. Loftus-Cheek hasn’t done that even for a season yet. So it’s a bit of a different comparison although I get where you’re coming from.

My point being though that these players need a chance to try and prove themselves and you have to admit we often don’t give them that chance. I actually don’t think we’d have been any less worse off if we’d never even signed Bakayoko and just tried our RLC. 

Edited May 17, 20188 yr by Bobbywoodhogan

RLC's 'poor work rate' is the biggest myth in football. So many people say it on here, yet i bet most haven't watched him since he was under Jose as an 18 y/o. The lad has a great engine on him and has worked up and down for Palace this season tirelessly. 

Can we just give him a chance and stop making excuses not to play him. He's done everything asked of him so far on loan, he should get a chance simply on merit. 

2 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

RLC's 'poor work rate' is the biggest myth in football. So many people say it on here, yet i bet most haven't watched him since he was under Jose as an 18 y/o. The lad has a great engine on him and has worked up and down for Palace this season tirelessly. 

It still can be poor sometimes, i've watched him walk around when he should have been running, but it's better than it was, and he's improved in a lot of other areas.

8 hours ago, Bobbywoodhogan said:

There are examples on both sides although remember Bakayoko had played for Monaco and on the big stage regularly. Loftus-Cheek hasn’t done that even for a season yet. So it’s a bit of a different comparison although I get where you’re coming from.

My point being though that these players need a chance to try and prove themselves and you have to admit we often don’t give them that chance. I actually don’t think we’d have been any less worse off if we’d never even signed Bakayoko and just tried our RLC. 

Well, I've never denied that, I even said RLC was held back by Conte and Mourinho both. 

But I see a lot of delusion on here when people think the lad should be a starter next season, he isn't ready yet. But he can definitely come here and play more games but he'll have to be subjected to less game time than he got at Palace. I think that's fairly reasonable I don't know about you. 

RLC has played for Palace and in the PL and he's done well overall, I think that itself is more proven than getting someone like Bakayoko from Ligue 1. I'm not sure if anyone watched any Monaco games in the Champions League but my god was Bakayoko poor in those games, it's why I was never keen on the idea of getting him in the first place. 

Reviews about him from Monaco fans were very hit and miss, so I think it's equally just as a gamble here or maybe, even more, I'm not sure. But as for the big stage I don't think you can class Ligue 1 as the big stage, Champions League yes, and whenever he performed in the Champions League he was piss poor. 

7 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Well, I've never denied that, I even said RLC was held back by Conte and Mourinho both. 

But I see a lot of delusion on here when people think the lad should be a starter next season, he isn't ready yet. But he can definitely come here and play more games but he'll have to be subjected to less game time than he got at Palace. I think that's fairly reasonable I don't know about you. 

RLC has played for Palace and in the PL and he's done well overall, I think that itself is more proven than getting someone like Bakayoko from Ligue 1. I'm not sure if anyone watched any Monaco games in the Champions League but my god was Bakayoko poor in those games, it's why I was never keen on the idea of getting him in the first place. 

Reviews about him from Monaco fans were very hit and miss, so I think it's equally just as a gamble here or maybe, even more, I'm not sure. But as for the big stage I don't think you can class Ligue 1 as the big stage, Champions League yes, and whenever he performed in the Champions League he was piss poor. 

I’m not saying he should necessarily be a starter but I think it’s worth giving him the opportunity. I don’t think we can say he isn’t ready really when you really never know when a youngster is ready. We’ve see youngsters break into the scene at clubs and take the bull by the horns unexpectedly.

I think RLC might prove an important player for England this WC. Southgate has omitted Wilshere and Rooney, meaning there is precious little creativity in the squad. More than any other level of football, top international level football is all about skill, possession and creativity, which I think partly explains why England have faltered so much over the years. When I look at that England squad, RLC is possibly the most creative player in there, and I think he may get the opportunity to do himself a lot of favours. Personally, I'd have taken Wilshere, if only because there are precious few natural footballers in that squad. I'm aware of all the drawbacks with Wilshere but that squad is shockingly short of players that can actually put their foot on the ball and pull a few strings.

Definitely deserves the chance with us next season. He has gone out on loan and performed excellently in a position which is not natural to him. As it has shown with a lot of players we have loaned to PL clubs, it is not easy but he has been fantastic. Has the technical ability, strength and that burst of acceleration to. Let's not forget that hiss full England debut this season he was given the MOTM against Germany and ran the show. He has had to recover from an injury and has returned and performed magnificently. Like stated, he has proven himself out on loan and any consideration from the board of selling him would be ludicrous and fully show the wrong message for academy players and other talented youth players who go out on loan.

I wonder if people on here still remember that run he did for our U19 in that Uefa Youth League around 3 seasons ago when a certain Leroy Sane was on the Schalke U19 team. But look what being given a chance at the Schalke first team done for him. Proved himself on the first team and is now at arguably the best team in world currently and is one of the best wingers around. Would Sane be in that position if he was coming through our ranks? Probably no. But that run in the game that led to Solanke's goal was literally amazing. Will post link below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r1yV2Zfsro

Wilshere and Lallana went to the last Euros and World Cup and didn't do much, and I can see Ruben being a much more important than those two ever were. Ruben has the physicality and drive to be a great midfielder for club and country, and I really hope he's in the plans next season.

I think we have a pretty decent squad for the World Cup btw, I think we are pretty solid all round.

Edited May 18, 20188 yr by Malcolm9

23 hours ago, Remodez said:

Can we just give him a chance and stop making excuses not to play him. He's done everything asked of him so far on loan, he should get a chance simply on merit. 

Exactly. What is to lose in trying him. Basically on what foundation does the club hold this arrogance that a player is good enough to go to the world cup and represent his country but is not good enough for our first team. If we were the cream of Europe I could understand it, but a club that has struggled to beat most of the teams that have flirted with relegation this season, for me, has no reason to hold such lofty ideals of itself.

Was wondering whether he could be play in the cup final..........................master stroke if he can

Doubt it, considering Conte only sees him as a Striker.

8 hours ago, ws6blue said:

Was wondering whether he could be play in the cup final..........................master stroke if he can

No, unfortunately ineligible. Despite not being cup tied, a player needs to be registered within the squad for the semi final to appear in the final.

Hopefully he’ll start tonight, and make the spot his own! 

25 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

Hopefully he’ll start tonight, and make the spot his own! 

Didn't even realise we had a game tonight, that's how little i care about our national team. 

Having said that i think RLC is exactly what we need in the middle of the park. Instead of just your bang average CM in Henderson/Dier we need someone that can drive through the middle like RLC/Wilshere. 

I'll be so pissed if Chelsea don't give hmi a real chance next season. He might turn out to be awful, but we'll never know if they don't give him a try. Sometimes you have to take a gamble on a player and give them a run of games, not 1 appearance every 2 months, like Jose gave him.

If Ballack's comments about us going in a different direction have any significance it wouldn't surprise me if Loftus-Cheek is in the squad next season. No qualms if he is I just don't think we'll finish any higher than 6th or 7th.

Edited June 7, 20188 yr by the special one

I would much rather him play in the Palace first team another full season.

He is in a good place at Palace with the manager who wants him. I wouldn't risk him coming back and not getting game time and becoming another DeBruyne.

17 minutes ago, Orpington_Blue said:

I would much rather him play in the Palace first team another full season.

He is in a good place at Palace with the manager who wants him. I wouldn't risk him coming back and not getting game time and becoming another DeBruyne.

Agreed, if he does come back he needs to play, and if he plays I think it would be unfair for us to jump on his back when we inevitably go through a run of inconsistent results. So for that reason as you say I think he's better off building on this season's momentum at Palace. 

He'll never be a De Bruyne imho, unlike De Bruyne/Bale/Kane/Ballack/Salah/Pogba/etc he's never demonstrated at any level he has that kind of ability.

Edited June 7, 20188 yr by the special one

19 minutes ago, the special one said:

Agreed, if he does come back he needs to play, and if he plays I think it would be unfair for us to jump on his back when we inevitably go through a run of inconsistent results. So for that reason as you say I think he's better off building on this season's momentum at Palace. 

He'll never be a De Bruyne imho, unlike De Bruyne/Bale/Kane/Ballack/Salah/Pogba/etc he's never demonstrated at any level he has that kind of ability.

Neither did Kane/Salah. Kane was beyond average before given a run in the Spurs team and Salah was okay at Basel then sh*te with us. Even Bale was bang average before being given a season out on the wing. If anything, RLC has had a much better start to his career than Kane had. 

42 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

If anything, RLC has had a much better start to his career than Kane had. 

Bale's goal/assist average in the Championship at 17 was 0.40 (at left back for Southampton). Kane has been scoring world class goals from his time at youth level. RLC hasn't really done anything, a few tap ins here and there. If we're talking about RLC as an attacking midfielder the standard he needs to reach is set by the likes of Eriksen, Alli, Pogba, Coutinho - he's never shown anything to suggest he'll reach anywhere near that level.

 

Edited June 7, 20188 yr by the special one

2 hours ago, Zeta said:

I'll be so pissed if Chelsea don't give hmi a real chance next season. He might turn out to be awful, but we'll never know if they don't give him a try. Sometimes you have to take a gamble on a player and give them a run of games, not 1 appearance every 2 months, like Jose gave him.

If the only way our coaches can work out if a player has the potential to be good enough is by giving them lots of first team games then quite frankly they should all be sacked on the spot.

1 hour ago, the special one said:

Kane has been scoring world class goals from his time at youth level.

That's easy to say in hindsight, but I seem to remember Tottenham were even trying to sell him before his breakthrough season but couldnt fine sufficient interest so it really was obvious to anyone he would be as good as he has become.

Edited June 7, 20188 yr by PedroMendez

I remember him at Millwall, he was sh*t. No one has ever saw him getting as good as he is now.

2 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

I remember him at Millwall, he was sh*t. No one has ever saw him getting as good as he is now.

 

Edited June 7, 20188 yr by the special one