Very happy to see Tammy do so well and scoring on a regular basis, but i feel this is just to similar the Bamford situation two seasons ago? When he scored for fun and was named the Championship player of the year? Let's hope Tammy gets a chance maybe even under Conte.

6 minutes ago, TrueBlueBIH said:

Very happy to see Tammy do so well and scoring on a regular basis, but i feel this is just to similar the Bamford situation two seasons ago? When he scored for fun and was named the Championship player of the year? Let's hope Tammy gets a chance maybe even under Conte.

Tammy is two years younger though, so not as far in his developement. Very impressive what he is doing at 19 years old in his first season in professional football.

3 hours ago, TrueBlueBIH said:

Very happy to see Tammy do so well and scoring on a regular basis, but i feel this is just to similar the Bamford situation two seasons ago? When he scored for fun and was named the Championship player of the year? Let's hope Tammy gets a chance maybe even under Conte.

He's been top class this year. Couldn't ask for anything more. However next year is a key one for him. I imagine it will be a Premier League loan, and if it is he'll need to force his way into whichever side it is and prove his worth at the top flight, this is where Bamford has struggled and has fallen into obscurity. But so far so good!

7 hours ago, True Blue23 said:

Tammy is two years younger though, so not as far in his developement. Very impressive what he is doing at 19 years old in his first season in professional football.

Also he is playing for a much worse side that create a lot less chances 

Yeah big difference between Tammy and Bamford. Bamford did excellent in the Championship with Boro however this was done at the age of 21. Abraham's goals this season has come from the very young age of 18/19 and this being his first steps up pro football. When Bamford was 19, he was in League 1 with MK Dons. Also, like the above poster pointed out, Bamford was playing for arguably the best team in the Championship and was having chances served to him on a canter. Abraham has already neared Bamford's tally for Boro whilst just turning 19 not too long ago and playing for much inferior team.

Abraham also has the physical advantages to make it for us or generally in the prem. He has pace and strength and desire to cope with the PL. When someone does what he does int he Championship at his age, you just know they are a special talent. Look at Akpom of Arsenal who is still on their books and is still considered one for the future. He went to Hull last seaon at the age of 20 and I don't think got more than 5 goals that season. In fact, not sure if he even got more than 2 league goals, LMAO and Hull were one of the strongest teams in that division, hence getting promoted. And Akpom will be given the chance at Arsenal some time but Abraham is better and younger and has outshone him.

Massive talent. He seems very humble from what I see as well and has that desire to reach the top. I am sure Conte is hugely impressed.

Bamford is a good goalscorer but I feel Tammy has more to his overall game therefore he can have better chances at Chelsea. He still has to improve a lot though to get there.

I think he need another loan in Championship or even in eredivisie(Vitesse). He is probably too young for the PL and he need regular time and i`m not sure if he will get that time in the PL.

So far so great for him. I see in him the ideal replacement of Costa one day.

 

23 hours ago, Batshuayi said:

He's been top class this year. Couldn't ask for anything more. However next year is a key one for him. I imagine it will be a Premier League loan, and if it is he'll need to force his way into whichever side it is and prove his worth at the top flight, this is where Bamford has struggled and has fallen into obscurity. But so far so good!

Yep Bamford had the problem to actually step up, he was amazing in the Championship. Hopefully Tammy will get a good loan in the Premiership and do well so he can be part of our first team. 

 

1 hour ago, Zeta said:

 

Nice! Good chance to see what else he can do aside from scoring goals.

6 goals in 8 games is an impressive record. 
Even more impressive considering they lost every one of those games!

18 goals in 33 appearances so far. Not bad at all. Could do with beefing up a bit though, put on a stone or so of muscle and he'd be a Drogba-esque beast.

Give him a chance instead of throwing 30 odd million at someone playing in Scotland.

While i agree, Torres was also playing in England, even at PL, and was 1 of the best striker out there, but we all see what happen .... Sometimes its about how the player can adapt, sometimes it`s about mentally, some times it`s about team style and if player fit in that style.

The best thing for Tammy right now is to play regulary. He need another season on loan, and after that to see how he`s done and decide his future.

Let`s not forgeet Bamford have scored 19 goals in Championship and since then(2014-2015) he score exactly zero goals ......

And a lot of top players come from lower leagues, so the league is not a problem. Its all about the quality and if he can live to the hype.

 

 

Scored another one yesterday.

Give him his chance, could be another Bamford but then again could be another Harry Kane...

Will never know unless we try, he's doing the business which is all you can ask

28 minutes ago, Chelsbear said:

Give him his chance, could be another Bamford but then again could be another Harry Kane...

Will never know unless we try, he's doing the business which is all you can ask

While i don't think he will be another Bamford, this we won't know if there good enough unless they play first team is a myth.

7 minutes ago, Argo said:

While i don't think he will be another Bamford, this we won't know if there good enough unless they play first team is a myth.

How is that exactly?

So you know how he would play for Chelsea without him ever getting the chance in the first team? Are you Mystic Meg or something?

How else do you judge if he will be good enough for us unless you know....he actually get's a chance playing with us.

 

 

Edited February 1, 20179 yr by Chelsbear

2 minutes ago, Chelsbear said:

How is that exactly?

So you know how he would play for Chelsea without him ever getting the chance in the first team? Are you Mystic Meg or something?

How else do you judge if he will be good enough for us unless you know....he actually get's a chance playing with us.

 

 

So if we played Bamford, Kalas, Delac because well, we will never know if they don't get a chance, we would have wasted our and their time while dropping numerous points and humiliating them in the process. If they go on a PL loan to Palace and are out of their depth like Bamford was, that's a pretty decent indicator that they will never be good enough to play for Chelsea. Also clubs have access to numerous data these days that will give a very good picture to players strengths, weaknesses, what they do good at Championship level but might/do struggle to replicate further up.

I remember out of every one i played against as a youngster two players stood out and both ended up playing for Plymouth and if someone told me two players i played for or against will make it as a pro i would have said those two without thinking twice (and i would have been right). So if a school boy with no coaching qualifications can identify the most talented players, you think Antonio Conte and a bunch of highly qualified coaches need to give youngsters numerous first team chances to work out who has potential to make it at Chelsea and who doesn't?

23 minutes ago, Argo said:

So if we played Bamford, Kalas, Delac because well, we will never know if they don't get a chance, we would have wasted our and their time while dropping numerous points and humiliating them in the process. If they go on a PL loan to Palace and are out of their depth like Bamford was, that's a pretty decent indicator that they will never be good enough to play for Chelsea. Also clubs have access to numerous data these days that will give a very good picture to players strengths, weaknesses, what they do good at Championship level but might/do struggle to replicate further up.

I remember out of every one i played against as a youngster two players stood out and both ended up playing for Plymouth and if someone told me two players i played for or against will make it as a pro i would have said those two without thinking twice (and i would have been right). So if a school boy with no coaching qualifications can identify the most talented players, you think Antonio Conte and a bunch of highly qualified coaches need to give youngsters numerous first team chances to work out who has potential to make it at Chelsea and who doesn't?

What's the point in bringing through youth if you are never going to give them at least a few chances to show they can make the step up?

Abraham is doing it on loan, breaking records so deserves the chance to prove his worth with the first teams when he comes back.

You use Bamford as that example but look at Kane who didn't set the world alight on loan...had Spuds gave up on him and not used him in the first team they wouldn't have a 30 odd million pound striker now. You simply cannot tar everyone with the same brush. Chances need to be given.

Moses didn't do much out on loan...Conte took the time to use him and look now...Just another example to blow that theory away.

 

2 minutes ago, Chelsbear said:

What's the point in bringing through youth if you are never going to give them at least a few chances to show they can make the step up?

Abraham is doing it on loan, breaking records so deserves the chance to prove his worth with the first teams when he comes back.

You use Bamford as that example but look at Kane who didn't set the world alight on loan...had Spuds gave up on him and not used him in the first team they wouldn't have a 30 odd million pound striker now. You simply cannot tar everyone with the same brush. Chances need to be given.

Moses didn't do much out on loan...Conte took the time to use him and look now...Just another example to blow that theory away.

 

I agree Abraham deserves a go, but that's because he's proved his potential and earned it. I want that, what i don't want is us wasting time with ones that will never be the required standard, ill throw another name in the hat who falls into that category, Dabo. Kane has done well but is the exception to the rule, using Bamford on the off chance he does a Kane is akin to giving a average manager time because of Fergie.

As for Moses, his display in the final 3rd last night summed up exactly why he kept leaving on loan pre Conte and wingbacks.

I don't recall so much glowing praise for one of our youngsters out on loan. The BC fans love him, he gets plaudits at grounds around the country from other clubs fans who have commented on how good he looks for his age.

Would be ideal to have him play in the Prem next season, a loan down at Bournemouth or Brighton would be perfect, but only if he is going to be playing all the time. It would be his chance to stay on the radar every week, MOTD appearances, bang some goals in against quality defences, he may even break into the England team before the Chelsea team, which would be another chance for him to stay on the radar.

Then for the 18/19 season who knows he could be our #1 center forward, not only at Chelsea but for England.

Needs a PL loan next season before we even consider giving him a chance.

 

I'd rather we give him a chance than spunk a fortune on dembele

Edited February 2, 20179 yr by The Brit

15 hours ago, Argo said:

I agree Abraham deserves a go, but that's because he's proved his potential and earned it. I want that, what i don't want is us wasting time with ones that will never be the required standard, ill throw another name in the hat who falls into that category, Dabo. Kane has done well but is the exception to the rule, using Bamford on the off chance he does a Kane is akin to giving a average manager time because of Fergie.

As for Moses, his display in the final 3rd last night summed up exactly why he kept leaving on loan pre Conte and wingbacks.

Although I agree that some players just don't look as though they will be up to the required standard, your admission that Kane has proved to be the exception to the rule shows it is dangerous to write ANY youngsters off. We've all seen players who look the total dogs bollox at 16-18 only for them to lose their way and not fulfill their potential. Equally, other youngsters don't appear to be that exceptional and then get to 21/21/23 and kick on and just keep improving. There are very few Messi's out there who look that great that everyone gets proved right.

I would like to see both Abraham and Solanke given a go before we spunk a load of money on a player like Dembele. Thankfully I think Conte is a coach who WILL give players a chance before writing them off.