11 hours ago, Sindre said:

I think so.

I have a feeling we will see Lukaku at the Bridge in August.

Is Lukaku world class? We should be very wary of buying players who look good in Serie A. I have watched quite a bit of it lately. It is not a particularly high standard.

10 hours ago, just said:

Is Lukaku world class? We should be very wary of buying players who look good in Serie A. I have watched quite a bit of it lately. It is not a particularly high standard.

Tammy would score a bucketload of goals in that league, its regressed so much and is way behind the other top european leagues.

10 hours ago, just said:

Is Lukaku world class? We should be very wary of buying players who look good in Serie A. I have watched quite a bit of it lately. It is not a particularly high standard.

Depends on how you define it I suppose. I don't think he's as good as Lewandowski or Kane.

But it's obvious he's a better player now compared to when he left England. Been extremely good for Inter and have also scored 13 goals in 16 games in Europe in his time there.

And we know he can perform in the PL. 25 goals in his last season for Everton, 27 in total in his first season at United.

Edited April 30, 20215 yr by Sindre

2 hours ago, Sindre said:

Depends on how you define it I suppose. I don't think he's as good as Lewandowski or Kane.

But it's obvious he's a better player now compared to when he left England. Been extremely good for Inter and have also scored 13 goals in 16 games in Europe in his time there.

And we know he can perform in the PL. 25 goals in his last season for Everton, 27 in total in his first season at United.

One of the main criticism on tammy Tammy is first touch and link up play. Lukaku isn't known to be good at either. 

 

 

Edited April 30, 20215 yr by Bob stark

8 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

One of the main criticism on tammy Tammy is first touch and link up play. Lukaku isn't known to be good at either. 

 

 

He's taken huge strides in terms of link up play. Got a great partnership with Martinez at Inter and is actually the top assister in Serie A this season.

2 minutes ago, Sindre said:

He's taken huge strides in terms of link up play. Got a great partnership with Martinez at Inter and is actually the top assister in Serie A this season.

I haven't watched him play since he left manu, so I'll juat take your word for it

2 hours ago, Sindre said:

Depends on how you define it I suppose. I don't think he's as good as Lewandowski or Kane.

But it's obvious he's a better player now compared to when he left England. Been extremely good for Inter and have also scored 13 goals in 16 games in Europe in his time there.

And we know he can perform in the PL. 25 goals in his last season for Everton, 27 in total in his first season at United.

    I dont think Lukaku has improved. he is just playing in a weaker league and has a strike partner ( Martinez) who helps draw away some attention. The inter system fits him because we all know Conte likes fast transitions and counter attacks. Unfortunately Tuchel is a possesion based coach hence why he would rather have Pulisic Werner or even Havertz in a false 9 over Tammy or Giroud. If we want to buy a striker from Inter it should be Laturo Martinez and not Lukaku.

I think Lukaku is world class, its not just in the prem and Italian league he has also shown his ability with Belgium which is pretty much the highest level (international). I'm just wary we haven't learned our lesson in potentially letting go off Tomori and Tammy. Feels the same as letting go of a few other talented players we once had.

Tammy will almost certainly leave this summer. I can see him going to West Ham and I think he would do very well there. If we continue struggling for goals from our striker next season I am sure there will be some question marks over letting him go, and rightly so.

2 hours ago, LongtimerLurker said:

I think Lukaku is world class, its not just in the prem and Italian league he has also shown his ability with Belgium which is pretty much the highest level (international). I'm just wary we haven't learned our lesson in potentially letting go off Tomori and Tammy. Feels the same as letting go of a few other talented players we once had.

International football is not the highest standard, it's actually pretty poor these days. Batshuayi has 22 goals for Belgium in 33 games which looks world class but his lucky to be called an average player.

9 hours ago, dkw said:

Tammy would score a bucketload of goals in that league, its regressed so much and is way behind the other top european leagues.

To be fair @yorkleyblue would score a bucketful in that league as well so is not saying much DKW lol.

1 hour ago, Ernie_blue said:

International football is not the highest standard, it's actually pretty poor these days. Batshuayi has 22 goals for Belgium in 33 games which looks world class but his lucky to be called an average player.

Idk for me personally I think international glory is higher than club. I would rather win a world cup than a UCL. Ideally I'd take both but the international stage for me is the pinnacle of football its where the real ballers show up. Eden Hazard for example in 2018 was the best player in the tournament. For all of us that was no surprise, because we know his level but for some that doubted him they got to see what he could do on the greatest stage.

I wouldn't underrate international goals, it could be that Belgium are better equipped to allow Michy to play his best football. Ofc when big nations destroy the smaller ones in friendlies and competitive matches there is some stat padding but for the most part I think its the highest level.

1 hour ago, LongtimerLurker said:

Idk for me personally I think international glory is higher than club. I would rather win a world cup than a UCL. Ideally I'd take both but the international stage for me is the pinnacle of football its where the real ballers show up. Eden Hazard for example in 2018 was the best player in the tournament. For all of us that was no surprise, because we know his level but for some that doubted him they got to see what he could do on the greatest stage.

I wouldn't underrate international goals, it could be that Belgium are better equipped to allow Michy to play his best football. Ofc when big nations destroy the smaller ones in friendlies and competitive matches there is some stat padding but for the most part I think its the highest level.

Michy is similar to Origi at Liverpool in my opinion. Both are capable of scoring important goals on their day but missing some qualities that would put them in the elite bracket. When all strikers are fit for Belgium I still think Lukaku starts over both because he is a class better.

1 hour ago, LongtimerLurker said:

Idk for me personally I think international glory is higher than club. I would rather win a world cup than a UCL. Ideally I'd take both but the international stage for me is the pinnacle of football its where the real ballers show up. Eden Hazard for example in 2018 was the best player in the tournament. For all of us that was no surprise, because we know his level but for some that doubted him they got to see what he could do on the greatest stage.

I wouldn't underrate international goals, it could be that Belgium are better equipped to allow Michy to play his best football. Ofc when big nations destroy the smaller ones in friendlies and competitive matches there is some stat padding but for the most part I think its the highest level.

I think the exposure players get at the world cup is far higher than the CL final.

The CL final is probably the higher standard just that the world audience is so much bigger and also most players take pride in playing for their country.

A lot of players play differently for their countries due to strengths or weaknesses in the National team.

Good strikers tend to shine, IMO.

3 hours ago, LongtimerLurker said:

Idk for me personally I think international glory is higher than club. I would rather win a world cup than a UCL. Ideally I'd take both but the international stage for me is the pinnacle of football its where the real ballers show up. Eden Hazard for example in 2018 was the best player in the tournament. For all of us that was no surprise, because we know his level but for some that doubted him they got to see what he could do on the greatest stage.

I wouldn't underrate international goals, it could be that Belgium are better equipped to allow Michy to play his best football. Ofc when big nations destroy the smaller ones in friendlies and competitive matches there is some stat padding but for the most part I think its the highest 

If you look at the teams Michy has scored against then you would know he has scored plenty of international goals against sh*t teams. The qualifying system for international comps has been rubbish for many years now. I would really underrate international goals, the records players reach now are ridicolous with the rubbish like San Marino, Gilbrator etc.

4 hours ago, LongtimerLurker said:

Idk for me personally I think international glory is higher than club. I would rather win a world cup than a UCL. Ideally I'd take both but the international stage for me is the pinnacle of football its where the real ballers show up. Eden Hazard for example in 2018 was the best player in the tournament. For all of us that was no surprise, because we know his level but for some that doubted him they got to see what he could do on the greatest stage.

I wouldn't underrate international goals, it could be that Belgium are better equipped to allow Michy to play his best football. Ofc when big nations destroy the smaller ones in friendlies and competitive matches there is some stat padding but for the most part I think its the highest level.

The World Cup has prestige and recognition sure, but the actual quality of football is way below the standard of the big leagues let alone the Champions League. This is primarily because club teams can utilise the transfer market to sort their weaknesses, whereas international football teams don't have that luxury. Secondly, the top managers (and thereby tactical nous) are all at club level, and have more opportunity to craft systems and ideas.

This hasn't always been the case, but it has exploded in the last 20 or so years as more and more money has entered club football.

15 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

The World Cup has prestige and recognition sure, but the actual quality of football is way below the standard of the big leagues let alone the Champions League. This is primarily because club teams can utilise the transfer market to sort their weaknesses, whereas international football teams don't have that luxury. Secondly, the top managers (and thereby tactical nous) are all at club level, and have more opportunity to craft systems and ideas.

This hasn't always been the case, but it has exploded in the last 20 or so years as more and more money has entered club football.

I think that the World Cup definitely has the best players in the world involved and there had been national teams that totally relied on the team spirit and tactics in order to overcome their lack of superstars and it worked in many cases and let's not forget that CL football can miss out on great players that would get discovered at the WC. It's at least equally hard to win the WC as it is to win the CL, Messi and Ronaldo for example never scored a goal in the knockout stages of the World Cup despite playing for countries that have a good tradition and good players.

On 30/04/2021 at 09:36, dkw said:

Tammy would score a bucketload of goals in that league, its regressed so much and is way behind the other top european leagues.

Why? Series A has gotten way better in recent years and is definitely ahead of the Bundesliga and France's League One. 

3 minutes ago, reparto corse said:

Why? Series A has gotten way better in recent years and is definitely ahead of the Bundesliga and France's League One. 

No it hasn't, and no it isn't. Defenses in Italy are shambolic, any game I've seen that involved an Italian team had me aghast at how bad they defended, when for decades it was their biggest strength.

Edited May 1, 20215 yr by dkw

24 minutes ago, dkw said:

No it hasn't, and no it isn't. Defenses in Italy are shambolic, any game I've seen that involved an Italian team had me aghast at how bad they defended, when for decades it was their biggest strength.

So how come they have surpassed the Bundesliga again and are now in 3rd place based on the UEFA coefficient (which is based on the succuess teams are having in Europa League and Champions League)? And Ligue 1 is a total farmers league that has literally ONE good team and that's it. 

Missed opportunity for him to impress TT today.

Never easy coming into a game where the team is coasting to victory and trying to see out the game, but if he is hoping to force his way into the team, then he simply has to do more in the 20 min cameos like these. He was pretty anonymous during the time he spent on the pitch, which is not what he needs at this time. 

4 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

Missed opportunity for him to impress TT today.

Never easy coming into a game where the team is coasting to victory and trying to see out the game, but if he is hoping to force his way into the team, then he simply has to do more in the 20 min cameos like these. He was pretty anonymous during the time he spent on the pitch, which is not what he needs at this time. 

Hes barely had any game time whatsoever in months so i dont know what you were expecting from him. He needs match fitness aswell as that in game feeling. And his performance follows along the general pattern of any late subs Tuchel makes..they tend to not do much but are just on for fresh legs.

5 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

Missed opportunity for him to impress TT today.

Never easy coming into a game where the team is coasting to victory and trying to see out the game, but if he is hoping to force his way into the team, then he simply has to do more in the 20 min cameos like these. He was pretty anonymous during the time he spent on the pitch, which is not what he needs at this time. 

Not sure what you expect? His barely played any minutes for months but his meant to come on and liven a game which was dead from the 50th minute onwards in a 15min cameo. The match was awful in the second half and just going through the motions and tbh Abraham was only brought on for fresh legs, plus his not even in TTs plans anyway and atm the best thing for him is to leave the club.

10 hours ago, Gol15 said:

I think that the World Cup definitely has the best players in the world involved and there had been national teams that totally relied on the team spirit and tactics in order to overcome their lack of superstars and it worked in many cases and let's not forget that CL football can miss out on great players that would get discovered at the WC. It's at least equally hard to win the WC as it is to win the CL, Messi and Ronaldo for example never scored a goal in the knockout stages of the World Cup despite playing for countries that have a good tradition and good players.

Football wise pretty much all international football are very2 bad. The level of football is below pl. 

In term of winning wc. It is very2 difficult because the luck factor is tremendous. Pretty much all winner in recent era has similar pattern though. They have deep squad, they have good defense and midfielder. Having good forward is just a bonus. Portugal won euro with cr7 barely contributing because it really doesn't matter. 

 

5 hours ago, Ernie_blue said:

Not sure what you expect? His barely played any minutes for months but his meant to come on and liven a game which was dead from the 50th minute onwards in a 15min cameo. The match was awful in the second half and just going through the motions and tbh Abraham was only brought on for fresh legs, plus his not even in TTs plans anyway and atm the best thing for him is to leave the club.

I didn't expect much - as Tammy has not delivered much for a while, admittedly as he has not had the opportunity to do so. However what I expected is irrelevant...

A couple of weeks ago when he had just returned from injury, people were crying out for him to get selected. I said then that nothing comes for free, and he has to work hard, train well, and then take his opportunity to make a difference and stand out when the chance came.

Tuchel also said similar, paraphrasing it went something like "it's hard for him to get back into the team as it's near the end of the season, so he needs to be patient, work hard, and deliver to the high stand we and he wants when he gets the opportunity ".

I fully accept that it was not easy to make a difference or contribute in a meaningful way yesterday. As I said in my post, the game was done, we were in cruise control and simply looking to see out the match. Most players coming on in those circumstances would struggle.

Unfortunately Tammy doesn't have the luxury of excuses. He has to bust a gut to stand out at every opportunity he has - and yesterday he was anonymous. He his little to try and stand out. There was zero urgency on display to try and shine. He was, by the look of his display, content to simple be a number on the pitch, happy to be that fresh pair of legs. Simply put, he did nothing that would make TT sit up, take notice and justify giving him more time. 

If Tammy wants more game time, then he has to contribute more than he did yesterday, whatever the difficulties or complexities of the match in which he is playing. 
 

For him, it was an opportunity missed.
 

 

Edited May 2, 20215 yr by nonotnowjim