4 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

To be fair if you’re talking about the other night when Kovacic didn’t put him in against Norwich. He was rightly pissed off as it was a simple pass and he was clean through, I’d have been fuming as well.

He wasn't fuming at all there, maybe both players saw something you didn't?

44 minutes ago, Vagabond said:

He wasn't fuming at all there, maybe both players saw something you didn't?

As you can tell from my question I don’t know when he’s talking about, hence the sentence being phrased as a question and the ‘?’ I included. I’m curious as to an example of him waving his arms about acting like he has an attitude problem to back up the statement. As he posted it 5 hours ago, I assumed something from the most recent game triggered it and that’s the only instance I can think of where Abraham would have any reason to be annoyed, he was only on the park 5 minutes.

25 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

As you can tell from my question I don’t know when he’s talking about, hence the sentence being phrased as a question and the ‘?’ I included. I’m curious as to an example of him waving his arms about acting like he has an attitude problem to back up the statement. As he posted it 5 hours ago, I assumed something from the most recent game triggered it and that’s the only instance I can think of where Abraham would have any reason to be annoyed, he was only on the park 5 minutes.

You didn't notice him waving his arms about lately? Strange.

I understand how he must feel, he's probably frustrated. But only has himself to blame, since he missed quite a few good chances this season.

Edited July 16, 20206 yr by Vagabond

38 minutes ago, Vagabond said:

You didn't notice him waving his arms about lately? Strange.

I understand how he must feel, he's probably frustrated. But only has himself to blame, since he missed quite a few good chances this season.

You didn't notice Willian, Giroud and Pulisic similarly waving in despair ? 

Hopefully we sign Jovic, just in case Werner might get injured we'll have decent backup instead of Tammy.

Would also like to keep Giroud as 3rd choice if we do, and Tammy can get loaned out or sold

Mixed feelings about Tammy. I don't particularly rate him but he deserves another season to prove himself.

Would I sell if there's a chance we could sign Jimenez? Yes.

56 minutes ago, coco said:

You didn't notice Willian, Giroud and Pulisic similarly waving in despair ? 

With Willy, obviously and it's just as annoying. But this is Tammys first PL season, it's not his place to have such an attitude towards more seasoned teammates. He should keep his head down and concentrate on himself. It's not a good sign that he is showing such behaviour already.

32 minutes ago, the special one said:

Mixed feelings about Tammy. I don't particularly rate him but he deserves another season to prove himself.

Would I sell if there's a chance we could sign Jimenez? Yes.

Why Jimenez? You've literally just thrown a ranomd nme into it lol.

Jovic we're linked with, and i'll take him over Jammy

18 minutes ago, driller97 said:

Why Jimenez? You've literally just thrown a ranomd nme into it lol.

Jovic we're linked with, and i'll take him over Jammy

0.71 goal/assist average Raul Jimenez?

 

58 minutes ago, the special one said:

0.71 goal/assist average Raul Jimenez?

 

Has there been a single link that hes even leaving? Let alone being linked to us?

1 hour ago, driller97 said:

Why Jimenez? You've literally just thrown a ranomd nme into it lol.

Jovic we're linked with, and i'll take him over Jammy

Jimenez would be a good addition. 

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Tammy needs to stop doing Lukaku impressions. Don't whine or complain to your mates during the 90. Heck, even Kane doesn't complain much if at all despite his teammates inability to find him. 

Tammy is playing himself out the side every week.  I can't quite put my finger on it, but his early season form made him a little cocky/gave him an ego.  There's no space for that, especially given his age.  Now throw on months of below par performances and I think we have a striker on our hands that is losing confidence very quickly.  He is not dangerous, fails to make (or even spot) where to run, and his hold up play/passing makes Morata look good.

We need a significantly better striker.  Given his age he'll be around the club for some time, but I would not lose a minutes sleep if we sold him.  Much better options out there.

16 hours ago, PhilH930 said:

Tammy is playing himself out the side every week.  I can't quite put my finger on it, but his early season form made him a little cocky/gave him an ego.  There's no space for that, especially given his age.  Now throw on months of below par performances and I think we have a striker on our hands that is losing confidence very quickly.  He is not dangerous, fails to make (or even spot) where to run, and his hold up play/passing makes Morata look good.

We need a significantly better striker.  Given his age he'll be around the club for some time, but I would not lose a minutes sleep if we sold him.  Much better options out there.

Werner, Giroud and Tammy are good options for us next season. Just add Havertz and we're done with the attack, no need to sell Tammy at all.

35 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Werner, Giroud and Tammy are good options for us next season. Just add Havertz and we're done with the attack, no need to sell Tammy at all.

The thing is Giroud would never share the first substitute role with a player like Tammy. We will actually need experience and cold head coming of the bench. 

It's either Giroud or Tammy. And I'm taking Olivier 10 out of 10. 

I would be quite happy to see Abraham here next season challenging with Werner or playing with Werner.  His form has dropped, but he was good enough early on that he is still among the top scorers in the league with a comparable minutes to goals as a lot of  top strikers (such as Kane) despite it being his first PL season and first season with Chelsea.

He needs to be better, more like his early season form. With us wanting to finish in the top four, plus looking to challenge next season,  you need to step up and be a big game player.

Tammy is Demba Ba 1.5

27 minutes ago, Mummy said:

Tammy is Demba Ba 1.5

Definitely wouldn't agree.

He is maybe not in good form right now, but he was a key player for us in the first half of the season. Also 14 goals in his first PL season (and he's only 22).

For example, Drogba scored 10 in his first season.

Not too bad, right?

demba ba was decent...and i said he is 50% better than him

demba got like 14 goals for us in about 50 apps

tammy has 18 goals for us in about 50 apps

spare me this "hes only 22" stuff

also its not his first premier league season, he had 31 apps for swansea in the prem scoring 5 goals in the year 2017

29 minutes ago, Mummy said:

demba ba was decent...and i said he is 50% better than him

demba got like 14 goals for us in about 50 apps

tammy has 18 goals for us in about 50 apps

spare me this "hes only 22" stuff

also its not his first premier league season, he had 31 apps for swansea in the prem scoring 5 goals in the year 2017

16 of which appearances were off the bench at 19 years old for the worst team in the league. Which means a 1 in 5 hit rate for starts as a teenager in his season at pro level.
 

f**king hell, some of you post the most ridiculous stats to back up your points.

 

He has a better minutes per goal ratio than Jimenez by 30 minutes. 9 minutes behind than Kane. 4 minutes behind Aubameyang.

1 hour ago, wizardous said:

Definitely wouldn't agree.

He is maybe not in good form right now, but he was a key player for us in the first half of the season. Also 14 goals in his first PL season (and he's only 22).

For example, Drogba scored 10 in his first season.

Not too bad, right?

Excuse me, don’t be posting rational points around these parts, next you’ll be point out how Drogba was 26 at that point as well and Tammy is 22, obscene. 

Says tammy is better than Ba = shed end 😭

6 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

16 of which appearances were off the bench at 19 years old for the worst team in the league. Which means a 1 in 5 hit rate for starts as a teenager in his season at pro level.
 

f**king hell, some of you post the most ridiculous stats to back up your points.

 

He has a better minutes per goal ratio than Jimenez by 30 minutes. 9 minutes behind than Kane. 4 minutes behind Aubameyang.

And you wanna talk ridiculous stats? You've just put him in with kane and auba 

39 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

16 of which appearances were off the bench at 19 years old for the worst team in the league. Which means a 1 in 5 hit rate for starts as a teenager in his season at pro level.
 

f**king hell, some of you post the most ridiculous stats to back up your points.

 

He has a better minutes per goal ratio than Jimenez by 30 minutes. 9 minutes behind than Kane. 4 minutes behind Aubameyang.

Presumably you were referring to me.

https://football-observatory.com/-profile-75647-129071

Look at Tammy's distribution and chance creation numbers - that, frankly, is piss poor for any CF - if his distribution/chance creation improves only then can comparisons start to be made with the likes of Jimenez and Kane, imho.

Edited July 22, 20205 yr by the special one

23 minutes ago, Mummy said:

Says tammy is better than Ba = shed end 😭

And you wanna talk ridiculous stats? You've just put him in with kane and auba 

I think my point has gone right over your head...

Don't let overall stats fool you, sometimes.

No doubts Tammy had an incredible first half of the season. But once you break this season down into 2 halves, you see a completely different player.

First 19 EPL games: 11 goals, 3 assists in 1,403 minutes. Which gives him 0.71 goal/90 and 0.19 assist/90. This is fantastic goal per 90 ratio. But his assist ratio also tells you that he doesn't really bring his attackers into the offense. He lacks combination and hold up plays.

Next 17 games (not including the final 2 - yet to be played): 3 goals, 1 assist in 776 minutes. Which gives him 0.35 goal/90 and 0.12 assist/90. Pretty average. His goal/90 had been reduced by 50%.

It could be his form dips, could be his confidence took a hit. But what I suspect is that defenders and teams had learned how to deal with Tammy and had significantly reduced his productivity in front of goal. I think next season will be tougher for Tammy to productive in the league, not easier. He needs to evolve and grow his game a bit more. He could learn a few things from old man Giroud.

 

Edited July 22, 20205 yr by haviet1