1. Pedro: "I don’t say anything against them [#CFC supporter], they are part of us"

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   ChelsTransfer ‏@ChelsTransfer  4h4 hours ago

   Pedro: "The supporters have been good to us this season. They have always been with us, together." #CFC

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Pedro: "Jose Mourinho is a very good coach. It is a difficult situation for everyone. It was certainly difficult for the players..." #CFC

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Pedro: "I understand why the fans are so upset. It’s normal when the team and coach are in this position." #CFC

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Pedro: "Cesc is a top player, a very good character in the team, he is a winner and it’s good he plays for us." #CFC

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ChelsTransfer ‏@ChelsTransfer  4h4 hours ago

Pedro on boos: "It was difficult for Cesc but he can get through this. He is strong mentally and very competitive" #CFC

MUFC is perhaps the one club JM could build a lasting legacy given that they seem to have a patience we lack and fully support their manager with huge war chests every window. That and I dont think their owners would ever support a squad of players over a manager like JM. They've seen the fruits you reap from giving a world class manager total control over football and transfer matters. Ya it doesnt work every year but SAF won more often than not.... oh, and look at that JM too (50% = how often he wins the league competeing in the BPL....)

 

Tell that to David Moyes.

Did people say all this about Jose in the summer? Did anyone moan about getting £46m for Lukaku and de bruyne at the time they were sold?

 

In the summer it looked like we were all set for years to come and Jose had been completely vindicated with everything. That's how far the mighty had fallen. To be in the mess we are seems implausible. I doubt anyone other than Jose could have done what he did in 2 years and done what he did in the last few months. As I said, spectacularly good at some things and spectacularly bad at others.

 

As for Lukaku and De Bruyne, at the time they were sold, many people were upset, including me. Regardless, whatever anyone thought at the time, they can now be viewed as mistakes.

 

You're right when you say he was never without flaws, but for me, the bad now outweighs the good, and I'm glad he's gone. He's become increasingly mean-spirited, and that's reflected not only in his teams, but also in how his players view him, evidently. Where once he garnered respect now he's seen as a bit of a clown. His behaviour has become more and more erratic but most crucially of all, his judgement is now somewhat skewed. I'm honestly not bothered if he goes to Man Utd. Their players won't look at him in the same way ours looked at him back in 2004. Back then he was a god, they hung on his every word. Now, people will look at him and have doubts. That's going to make his job more difficult from the start. Before he'd won the psychological battle before he'd begun, everyone was in awe of him. Not anymore.

 

Also, ask yourself this, you're a top player, a real, bonafide attacking genius, you can sign for any manager in the world, who do you sign for? Not him.

 

Edit: I'm relieved he's gone, and I'd hazard a guess the players are too.

Edited December 21, 201510 yr by Davey Baby

No doubt about the players being relieved davey, we saw that on Saturday! I must admit, Jose has disappointed me greatly this season and made me question how great he is too...if Rafa, avb had overseen such a demise, there would have been riots...the nature of his departure, the shock and sadness, isn't there compared to 2007

But in saying that, I think the board and players must take equal share of the blame and it would be wrong to let them off scott free...I am angry about how we have fcuked this up from a position of strength...

still don't think events of this season should make us revise Mourinho's second coming overall...his first two seasons were very good and if he goes to Utd, I'm sure he will win them silverware

the nature of his departure, the shock and sadness, isn't there compared to 2007

 

Agree with you here. Last time round it was devastating. This time sad but understandable.

I am angry about how we have fcuked this up from a position of strength...

 

We are Chelsea and it's written in our DNA.

Im with Davey. It will be strange and a lillte bit sad to see Jose at United but it wouldnt scare me. It wouldve done a few years ago  but not now, as something has changed with him, even second time round here it wasnt really the same. Love the guy but i think hes been found a bit and needs to do some adapting (he wont!).

 

It will be fascinating to see the the sh*tstorms and controversies from the other side. We all know how it will go there, how it will play out and then how it will end. Doesnt worry me one bit. Its just he wont ever feel like 'ours' any more.I just hope there is no more fawning like there was on Saturday. Its not healthy.

 

Oh well. On we move. Time to find the next legend. The club is still standing, or at least it was when i left it at 5pm on Saturday. Ill suspect it will be there this time next year too.

Edited December 21, 201510 yr by bjd

i'm not entirely sure how mourinho will change utd. utd already have an average side. who is he going to spend 150 million (or whatever the the amount is he has to spend) on? there aren't many world class players out there, especially ones whom want to move from their already top clubs to manchester. they tried for muller this summer and got turned down; the same with neymar until they settled for a 19 y/o who is overachieving. he may have a couple decent defenders to work with (smalling the best of a mediocre bunch) but their midfield is underperforming (who would have known, considering we all thought their midfield would be beastly) and their offensive options are pretty damn useless, barring maybe martial. however, it would not surprise me if he tried to sign stones again. 

Edited December 21, 201510 yr by enigma

Why do people assume all transfers are driven or even OK'ed by Mourinho? The Cech saga proved for a fact that he clearly isnt controlling them all. Not to mention the popular allegations that of one of those two "world class youth" Mourinho begged the board to not sell them/let them go. And I dont know if anyone is still clinging to the hilarity that Mourinho directed or even was happy with this summers transfer activities....but seems to be a fair bit of evidence (such as the massive gap between how this and the previous summer windows were handled.... almost like two completely different people were in charge) to suggest Mourinho wasnt the sole decison maker in transfers.

Just funny that some people who are so against speculating about Emenalo's role, or the role of the players in all this are some of the exact people who seem so eager to assume and speculate with Mourinho.

i'm not entirely sure how mourinho will change utd. utd already have an average side. who is he going to spend 150 million (or whatever the the amount is he has to spend) on? there aren't many world class players out there, especially ones whom want to move from their already top clubs to manchester. they tried for muller this summer and got turned down; the same with neymar until they settled for a 19 y/o who is overachieving. he may have a couple decent defenders to work with (smalling the best of a mediocre bunch) but their midfield is underperforming (who would have known, considering we all thought their midfield would be beastly) and their offensive options are pretty damn useless, barring maybe martial. however, it would not surprise me if he tried to sign stones again. 

Sounds eerily similar to the position at CFC when he arrived. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1DJGAPoMuk

 

I can't tell you how Mourinho will change MUFC (if he goes) but I'd have firm money on what those changes will result in....

If he does go to United, he will have Fergie to guide him which I think will make a difference. No one at our club knows how to build to dynasty - United do which I think could make a difference.

That said, Jose is very single minded..

BTW, great posts Davey.

Just to add, MU have spent an awfully lot of money for van gal, I doubt they will hand another 200 mils to the new manager within the space of 3 years so the new manager might need to utilize the current crop of players and can't say I rate their players that much.. Even if there is fund available, who's to say the new manager wouldn't make the same mistake as van gal, wasting money? 

 

Jose to MU is equivalent with lampard to city for me, it doesn't bother me that much in term of fear that they will have major success.. 

Some more rumours about Jose. If true, that first one is shocking and shows just how much he lost the players.

Jose Mourinho accused his #Chelsea players directly of betraying him BEFORE last Monday's dramatic defeat at Leicester. [Mirror]

Many players remain aggrieved at being hung out to dry after what they believe was a pre-season schedule that left them unprepared. [Mirror]

Jose Mourinho had breakfast with new #Chelsea boss Guus Hiddink — to share information about the squad he has bequeathed to him. [The Sun]

Edited December 21, 201510 yr by JM7

If he goes to united, stays a long time doing well then its time to admit our backroom situation sets up managers to inevitably fail.

If he does go to United, he will have Fergie to guide him which I think will make a difference. No one at our club knows how to build to dynasty - United do which I think could make a difference.

That said, Jose is very single minded..

BTW, great posts Davey.

 

One of the biggest problems for United managers throughout the 70s and 80s was that the shadow of Busby hung around the place.

If he goes to united, stays a long time doing well then its time to admit our backroom situation sets up managers to inevitably fail.

 

Initially I intended to reply with jose only has himself to blame for the sack this season but I'm tempted with the odds against him staying long time doing well at mu..

Well, we'll see that in a couple of years, if you are still bothered with your post that is.. 

They haven't been very patient with Moyes, and (if Jose gets the job) LVG.

 

Yes, Fergie was there for aeons but he was arguably the best manager of all time, so we can hardly credit the current board for that. Fergie was given a stay of execution under a previous board, who had the foresight to stick with him when he could have lost his job, but make no mistake, he was (famously) one game away from getting the sack all those years ago, Man Utd had sacked countless managers prior to his arrival, and, most crucially of all, he never lost the dressing room.

 

I've heard a lot about player-power these last few days but it's all a load of bollocks. In one sense football has never changed. If you lose the dressing room you're out and that's what's happened here. Tommy Docherty once said the art of management is to keep the players who dislike you away from the ones that like you. That rule hasn't changed and it's a rule Fergie understood well.

 

I can't understand a single Chelsea fan that feels aggrieved about this sacking and I say that as a huge Jose admirer. There are things he can do spectacularly well and things he does spectacularly badly. He was never (never ever ever) the long-term solution. He will never be the long-term solution anywhere. We've had him in total for over 6 years. No other club is going to get anywhere near that out of him. Furthermore, he's a fading force, meaning the things he does spectacularly well are not quite as spectacular as before.

 

I've watched and studied him closely throughout his career. He's not half the manager he used to be. His stint this time around wasn't half as impressive as his first.

 

He lost the dressing room. It's his fault. Why? Because the art of management boils down to one thing: Keep the dressing room onside. Simples. Blaming the players is a bit like a sailor complaining about the sea. It doesn't wash. As a manager you have to manage players and Jose failed. His management was appalling this term. We were going down, absolutely no doubt in my mind, and if we went down, whose fault would that be? It would be the manager's because guess what? He's responsible for results.

 

He had lost the players, he couldn't get a performance out of them, we were only going to get worse. He had everything he wanted and he couldn't make the most of it. He had the perfect platform, no manager could ask for more. If he wanted to build a dynasty there it was. We were champions, we have the best youth side on the planet, we're minted, we're very stable and he was free from interference. He also had the backing of the fans. Sadly, his character flaws got the better of him and they're not going to go away. There will be no dynasty at Man Utd under him, I promise you. It just won't happen. He'll go there, possibly, they'll win something, possibly, it will all go wrong, definitely.

 

He isn't a Ferguson. He's no less remarkable a figure but he's not a Ferguson. Both great managers but completely different. Jose will take you on a spectacular ride, but it will only ever be short-term.

 

Let him go to Man Utd, honestly, we'll watch the car crash from afar. We rejected him and for good reason. He was doing his job terribly, far worse than anyone else at the club, he was the one who was being incompetent.

 

I find it amusing people are blaming the players. Why couldn't they try harder why couldn't they play better? How come they suddenly beat Sunderland? Football has always been like this. Manager goes, a huge weight is lifted off their shoulders, suddenly they're more motivated, suddenly they play with a new-found freedom. That's just the way it goes. It tells you the previous manager was failing. He could no longer get his message across, he could no longer motivate, he could no longer get inside the players' heads.

 

Roman was remarkably patient and by the end it was painfully obvious what had to happen, painful though that may be. The club wanted him long-term, that's a fact. They didn't want to sack him, that's a fact too. We don't want to be in this mess, but it's a mess of the manager's making and he's the one who had to pay the price, unless we want to spiral further and further downward.

 

That's management. There are no special rules for Jose and nor should there be. You lose the dressing room, you lose game after game, don't cry and start blaming other people.

 

Edit: It's your job to manage, and if you can't you have to go.

 

well.....an interesting post but some hasty/inductive generalisations there together and a strong availability bias in full swing: all together a bit too neat & clean really, isn't it Davey? So I'll bite & start by making some of my own generalisations by way of retort -

 

i)     Moyes & LVG are both much lesser managers than Mourinho;

 

ii)    Agreed that Ferguson never lost a dressing room because (& unlike Mourinho's 2nd term here) he was always given carte blanche by Manure in respect to transfer policy;

 

iii)   Your 3rd paragraph is a contradiction in terms: on the one hand you categorically say that 'player power is bollocks' but in the same breath talk about losing a dressing room. One can't very well exist without the other can it? Surely not. And your examples are hardly apposite are they? It is trite that Ferguson never lost a dressing room because the players knew that he made all of the decisions regarding selection & transfers: Mourinho did not have the luxury of the latter did he?

 

iv)   The 'long term solution' card: this persistent meme is, of course, a hackneyed straw-man: Ferguson & Wenger are the outliers. In reality, Mourinho, when equated with most all of other modern managers has longer tenures than the mean & let's face facts: the owner terminated him during his first tenure way too quickly - even the owner realised that later. Accordingly, even leaving this 2nd termination & its merits to one side, Mourinho comfortably is in the top bracket for longevity as far as managers are concerned. So....to conclude as you do that he will never ever be a long term solution wherever he may be is kind of besides the point is it not? In the industry he is in, long term management is extremely rare & getting rarer by the year. It is a criticism you make which, with respect, has very little to it & therefore, everything which flows from it is meaningless projection don't you think?

 

v)   The fading force argument: again projection on your part. Perhaps - only time will tell. However, the point must be made that given his rather spectacular last decade or so it is, when looking to the future, a rather easy and lazy projection to make is it not? Even you say that he is not as spectacular as before: he has to keep being 'as spectacular' does he? What an extremely unfair crucible you use in order to judge him! And from that you then resort to tabloid generalisations - 'not half the manager he used to be', 'a fading force' et al - all based on your close study of him of course! You see if there is one thing you learn when studying psychology it is that one's opinion can never be settled. And yet this is what you do. You do not have any psychology credentials do you?

 

From all of the above, you then make other conclusions/projections.

 

In respect to those we can say that either we will never know or we shall see. But the truth is never simple Davey & never as simple as your black & white missives.

 

One thing further: you say you can't understand why some supporters are upset about the sacking. I don't think that is true. I think you know why or at least I hope you know why. Because if you don't then what does that say about you Davey?

I don't quite buy into this pre-season story, at least not completely. Explain to me why Willian and Azpilicueta - and Courtois - were not suffering from a lack of preparation?

well.....an interesting post but some hasty/inductive generalisations there together and a strong availability bias in full swing: all together a bit too neat & clean really, isn't it Davey? So I'll bite & start by making some of my own generalisations by way of retort -

 

i)     Moyes & LVG are both much lesser managers than Mourinho;

 

ii)    Agreed that Ferguson never lost a dressing room because (& unlike Mourinho's 2nd term here) he was always given carte blanche by Manure in respect to transfer policy;

 

iii)   Your 3rd paragraph is a contradiction in terms: on the one hand you categorically say that 'player power is bollocks' but in the same breath talk about losing a dressing room. One can't very well exist without the other can it? Surely not. And your examples are hardly apposite are they? It is trite that Ferguson never lost a dressing room because the players knew that he made all of the decisions regarding selection & transfers: Mourinho did not have the luxury of the latter did he?

 

iv)   The 'long term solution' card: this persistent meme is, of course, a hackneyed straw-man: Ferguson & Wenger are the outliers. In reality, Mourinho, when equated with most all of other modern managers has longer tenures than the mean & let's face facts: the owner terminated him during his first tenure way too quickly - even the owner realised that later. Accordingly, even leaving this 2nd termination & its merits to one side, Mourinho comfortably is in the top bracket for longevity as far as managers are concerned. So....to conclude as you do that he will never ever be a long term solution wherever he may be is kind of besides the point is it not? In the industry he is in, long term management is extremely rare & getting rarer by the year. It is a criticism you make which, with respect, has very little to it & therefore, everything which flows from it is meaningless projection don't you think?

 

v)   The fading force argument: again projection on your part. Perhaps - only time will tell. However, the point must be made that given his rather spectacular last decade or so it is, when looking to the future, a rather easy and lazy projection to make is it not? Even you say that he is not as spectacular as before: he has to keep being 'as spectacular' does he? What an extremely unfair crucible you use in order to judge him! And from that you then resort to tabloid generalisations - 'not half the manager he used to be', 'a fading force' et al - all based on your close study of him of course! You see if there is one thing you learn when studying psychology it is that one's opinion can never be settled. And yet this is what you do. You do not have any psychology credentials do you?

 

From all of the above, you then make other conclusions/projections.

 

In respect to those we can say that either we will never know or we shall see. But the truth is never simple Davey & never as simple as your black & white missives.

 

One thing further: you say you can't understand why some supporters are upset about the sacking. I don't think that is true. I think you know why or at least I hope you know why. Because if you don't then what does that say about you Davey?

 

Way too condescending and pedantic for me to bother with I'm afraid.

If SAF did not have complete control of transfers then I suspect he would of lost his dressing room (or atleast as much as Mourinho has) at times.  He had bust ups with key players like Keane and Beckham, he just had the ability to ship them out before they could spread the discontent....or atleast (if the window was closed) leave nothing to the imagination of the others players of whom they should be backing. 

I think Jose is a good fit for ManU and that is why not super excited of that idea.

Way too condescending and pedantic for me to bother with I'm afraid.

 

mmmm....a demurrer of sorts: tell me - who has been haughty here? In your post to which I responded you rather superciliously trashed Mourinho as yesterday's man on the basis of pop psychology and hackneyed & one dimensional memes. I merely took issue with the basis for your rather pat conclusions. If my concern is with bringing all of the detail out rather than cherry-picking or 'pedantry' as you see it, then there is nothing left to say I suppose. 

Edited December 21, 201510 yr by youlots

If he goes there, I don't think he will continue with his usual defensive approach, he'll adopt the attacking play Man utd want.

mmmm....a demurrer of sorts: tell me - who has been haughty here? In your post to which I responded you rather superciliously trashed Mourinho as yesterday's man on the basis of pop psychology and hackneyed & one dimensional memes. I merely took issue with the basis for your rather pat conclusions. If my concern with is with bringing all of the detail out rather than cherry-picking is 'pedantry' as you see it then there is nothing left to say I suppose. 

 

I envy you; sounds like you're always having a nice meal every time you make a post 

Edited December 21, 201510 yr by MANoWAR

Why do people assume all transfers are driven or even OK'ed by Mourinho? The Cech saga proved for a fact that he clearly isnt controlling them all. Not to mention the popular allegations that of one of those two "world class youth" Mourinho begged the board to not sell them/let them go.

What I find funny is that this only got out AFTER he syartes tearing it up. When he left he was thrown under the bus by Mourinho for not giving effort in training, not having the right attitude and that he was so arrogant that he demanded to start every game. Wasnt a player we wanted in our squad. The idea that Mourinho was desperate to keep a player he sat in the stands for most of his time here is hillarious