11 hours ago, mad_mac said:

i think we signed him and Bakayoko in the same window, or at least successive ones.  I always said we should have saved the money on them and gone with one great signing.  I think we added Zappacosta around the same time too.  Man, what a load of cash to piss away.

Yep we spent £243 million pounds in 17/18 transfer window, most of that was on Zappacosta, Bakayoko, Drinkwater and Morata. Easily our worst transfer window ever, it was such a miserable season that one and we won an F.A. Cup. 

2 hours ago, Slojo said:

Yep we spent £243 million pounds in 17/18 transfer window, most of that was on Zappacosta, Bakayoko, Drinkwater and Morata. Easily our worst transfer window ever, it was such a miserable season that one and we won an F.A. Cup. 

The 10 players we signed in that window didn't look that bad on paper ... the disappointments are really just the first three you mention, as we did at least get most of the money back on Morata ...

It's a 6.5/10 for me ...

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Great idea to have an invisible CB, take opponents out by surprise.

2 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

The 10 players we signed in that window didn't look that bad on paper ... the disappointments are really just the first three you mention, as we did at least get most of the money back on Morata ...

It's a 6.5/10 for me ...

Morata, Bakayoko and Drinkwater were the ones that cost the most and returned the least on the pitch. 

Giroud was a veteran bought as an emergency and wasn't really expected to be huge success.

I still see Barkley as a useful player (unlike most) so that was an average buy.

Zappacosta, an overpriced fullback who was mediocre but we knew we were paying over the odds because it was a late signing and had failed to bring in the ones we wanted.

Emerson and Rudiger are the two who have actually been quite good.

Has he even played for Burnley yet?

1 hour ago, Zeta said:

Has he even played for Burnley yet?

One league cup game. 

I bet he's played all the clubs, bars and massage parlours in Burnley.

🍸♒starts tonight v man city.

On 18/11/2019 at 18:15, chelseablueboy said:

Sorry, but can't be doing with all this poor fella hope he gets the help.. Blah blah blah..
He could have moved before now but doesn't want to give up the money and now he's f**ked it up by becoming a pisshead.

No sympathy from me, i would have sacked him for gross misconduct after the first drink related f**k up, you choose to become a drunken waster it isn't forced upon you especially in a position of wealth where any amount of 'help' is within your grasp.

Mutu all over again !!

Not really true, guessing you or no one you know has suffered with addiction in any form?

15 hours ago, coco said:

🍸♒starts tonight v man city.

Subbed at 58 mins. It must be hell inside his head, I hope he gets his career back on track eventually.

25 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Not really true, guessing you or no one you know has suffered with addiction in any form?

That's no excuse for drink driving, if he'd of killed someone he would of had plenty of time to give up his addiction in the clink. Couldn't he afford to go to an addiction clinic and dried out, why didn't he employ a chauffeur to drive him about knowing he was at risk of drink driving? Those are decisions you make soberly, in between the binges, that's why he deserves no sympathy, f**king disgusting enough that Dean Saunders is still walking about free, the laws f**ked up when rich celebs can just bypass prison with a good brief.

2 minutes ago, coco said:

That's no excuse for drink driving, if he'd of killed someone he would of had plenty of time to give up his addiction in the clink. Couldn't he afford to go to an addiction clinic and dried out, why didn't he employ a chauffeur to drive him about knowing he was at risk of drink driving? Those are decisions you make soberly, in between the binges, that's why he deserves no sympathy, f**king disgusting enough that Dean Saunders is still walking about free, the laws f**ked up when rich celebs can just bypass prison with a good brief.

That wasn't RIP's point though, at least not how I understand it. 

Just now, Valerie said:

That wasn't RIP's point though, at least not how I understand it. 

RIP said he doesnt choose to be an alcoholic, thats true, but he did choose to not help himself, he has no excuse, he's in a position to get the best help.

12 minutes ago, coco said:

RIP said he doesnt choose to be an alcoholic, thats true, but he did choose to not help himself, he has no excuse, he's in a position to get the best help.

Agree, as common as alcoholism is and it truly affects all kinds of people, responsibility is important, its important people don't start becoming apologetic to drink driving. 

24 minutes ago, coco said:

That's no excuse for drink driving, if he'd of killed someone he would of had plenty of time to give up his addiction in the clink. Couldn't he afford to go to an addiction clinic and dried out, why didn't he employ a chauffeur to drive him about knowing he was at risk of drink driving? Those are decisions you make soberly, in between the binges, that's why he deserves no sympathy, f**king disgusting enough that Dean Saunders is still walking about free, the laws f**ked up when rich celebs can just bypass prison with a good brief.

Not really relevant to the point i was making. He simply stated addiction is a choice, its not regardless of your personal income. I'd bet more people struggle with addiction with all the disposable income available to them.

47 minutes ago, coco said:

RIP said he doesnt choose to be an alcoholic, thats true, but he did choose to not help himself, he has no excuse, he's in a position to get the best help.

Again, the latter part wasn't his point.

Nobody is excusing drink driving here, but for non-addicts it's hard to realise how difficult it is for addicts to admit they're addicts and they need help. Even their loved ones can't reach them with this message.

22 minutes ago, Valerie said:

Again, the latter part wasn't his point.

Nobody is excusing drink driving here, but for non-addicts it's hard to realise how difficult it is for addicts to admit they're addicts and they need help. Even their loved ones can't reach them with this message.

You can't reach them. 

The place you'll find the least sympathy for an addict is from another addict. 

Because we know better than anyone that until the person realizes for themselves that they want to make a change, you basically have to let them hit bottom on their own. And pray they don't ruin other's lives along the way. 

I understand both points. I can be incredibly difficult to realize you have a problem when everything is going so well, at least optically. "I'm a millionaire, I'm a young, rich footballer. How could I possibly have a problem?"

And then to Coco's point, if the young, rich footballer doesn't face similar consequences as everyone else, it gets harder for him to realize he has a problem. That's enabling. 

Any way.. here's to hoping Drinkwater has that "moment of clarity" before he hurts anyone else physically or emotionally. 

 

1 hour ago, coco said:

RIP said he doesnt choose to be an alcoholic, thats true, but he did choose to not help himself, he has no excuse, he's in a position to get the best help.

 

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Not really relevant to the point i was making. He simply stated addiction is a choice, its not regardless of your personal income. I'd bet more people struggle with addiction with all the disposable income available to them.

 I agreed with you.

 

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I'd bet more people struggle with addiction with all the disposable income available to them.

The money that got them into addiction, can help them out, it's a sober choice they have everyday they wake up.

37 minutes ago, coco said:

The money that got them into addiction, can help them out, it's a sober choice they have everyday they wake up.

Most sadly don't recognise it as a problem or think there is anything wrong. 

Addiction is a difficult one. When my mum passed away, I turned to drink - I was drinking everyday throughout the whole summer.

It got to the point where I can’t sleep comfortably without having a drink. By end of the summer I realised I had a problem, and decided to do something about it. I went for counselling which has helped massively.

Something must have happened in Drinkwater’s life to be drinking, maybe he’s just unhappy and depressed.

Depression can affect anyone, doesn’t matter how much money you have.

Unfortunate nickname the lad has under the circumstances !!

 

 

Why are people assuming he's got some sort of addiction? Maybe he's just a c**t who drove drunk.

1 hour ago, dansubrosa said:

Addiction is a difficult one. When my mum passed away, I turned to drink - I was drinking everyday throughout the whole summer.

It got to the point where I can’t sleep comfortably without having a drink. By end of the summer I realised I had a problem, and decided to do something about it. I went for counselling which has helped massively.

Something must have happened in Drinkwater’s life to be drinking, maybe he’s just unhappy and depressed.

Depression can affect anyone, doesn’t matter how much money you have.

Sorry to hear about your mum and your subsequent struggles. I'm happy for you that you've overcome them.

11 minutes ago, Zeta said:

Why are people assuming he's got some sort of addiction? Maybe he's just a c**t who drove drunk.

Addiction is where the conversation took us. I'm not assuming Drinkwater has an addiction problem, but his drinking gets him into trouble one way or the other.