4 hours ago, Sindre said:

https://sport.sky.de/fussball/artikel/fc-bayern-transfer-news-gespraeche-mit-callum-hudson-odoi/12072191/34942

Bayern are interested again. RB Leipzig and Juventus as well.

Could see Hudson Odoi being tempted by the proposition again if its true. Clearly he won't be a starter here this season either and he won't be happy with being on the bench most of the time.

He has better chance starting for us than Bayern no chance he gets ahead of their current wingers

Just now, Brutos said:

He has better chance starting for us than Bayern no chance he gets ahead of their current wingers

No one though Alphonso Davies was going to start at LB ahead of Alaba. I wouldn’t be surprised if they moved players around to make a role for him. What is surprising is arguably the current best club in Europe has been after him for 2 seasons, while he is stuck on the bench for us playing 20mins here and there.

There’s absolutely no chance we’d sell him anyway, we are pretty short on wingers now.

I wonder if we should consider the Real Madrid method when it comes to younger players who are not expected to play often.

Sell them with buy back options in place for the first two or three summers after. Price to buy back goes up each summer but lowers the initial transfer fee. If sold elsewhere there is a sell on fee.

Take RB for example, I believe such a deal would suit them for CHO and either he develops in to top player there or not, either we buy him back a more complete player or buy him back to sell aka Morata for Madrid. Either way he likely gets more game time as he is their player not a loan.

Could be RLC needs the same, less pressure away from a club where top performances are basically a requirement.

4 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

I wonder if we should consider the Real Madrid method when it comes to younger players who are not expected to play often.

Sell them with buy back options in place for the first two or three summers after. Price to buy back goes up each summer but lowers the initial transfer fee. If sold elsewhere there is a sell on fee.

Take RB for example, I believe such a deal would suit them for CHO and either he develops in to top player there or not, either we buy him back a more complete player or buy him back to sell aka Morata for Madrid. Either way he likely gets more game time as he is their player not a loan.

Could be RLC needs the same, less pressure away from a club where top performances are basically a requirement.

Buy backs only work if the player wants to come back. 

If someone becomes world class whilst at RB and we want them back, we'd still have to compete with Madrid, Citeh, Bayern, Juventus etc. They wouldn't need to pay much more than we would to get them back.

E.g. we sell him to RB Leipzig with a £40m buy back and a 20% sell on fee. If we decide to buy CHO back, he will only cost every other suitor £50m to have a bid accepted.  

Works for Madrid because they have less competition. The best club in the world doesn't need to worry about a player choosing to go to Chelsea over them.

Just now, bisright1 said:

Buy backs only work if the player wants to come back. 

If someone becomes world class whilst at RB and we want them back, we'd still have to compete with Madrid, Citeh, Bayern, Juventus etc. They wouldn't need to pay much more than we would to get them back.

E.g. we sell him to RB Leipzig with a £40m buy back and a 20% sell on fee. If we decide to buy CHO back, he will only cost every other suitor £50m to have a bid accepted.  

Works for Madrid because they have less competition. The best club in the world doesn't need to worry about a player choosing to go to Chelsea over them.

Not how I remember how it went down for Morata. I think once Madrid activated the buy back he had to return.

3 hours ago, ducavis said:

No one though Alphonso Davies was going to start at LB ahead of Alaba. I wouldn’t be surprised if they moved players around to make a role for him. What is surprising is arguably the current best club in Europe has been after him for 2 seasons, while he is stuck on the bench for us playing 20mins here and there.

Actually, they had to convert Alaba into a central defender because their CBs was mostly injured. What they didn't realize was how good Alaba was at CB and how good Davies was going to perform at LB as he was predominantly a LW at club and country before that. It was almost a miracle how world class both was in their new position. 

Edited September 15, 20205 yr by Deino

We have an embarrassment of riches with central attacking midfielders, but lack a little bit in wingers from depth (Pulisic, Ziyech, Cho), experience and durability.  I really hope he gets focused as he could easily be to Chelsea this season what Pulisic was last season.  It needs consistent performances from Cho on the right flank, and bravery from Frank to start him more often.  I understand yesterday came too soon and we were cautious being away to Brighton the first game of the season, but there is room to be a little more bold and stretch the game on the flanks when availability permits.

I also think back to the end of last season, and thought he had a good impact in a number of games.  That basketball match at Anfield - Cho stood out when introduced.

 

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Not how I remember how it went down for Morata. I think once Madrid activated the buy back he had to return.

I'm pretty certain there are laws against that type of thing. I could be wrong though

1 hour ago, PhilH930 said:

We have an embarrassment of riches with central attacking midfielders, but lack a little bit in wingers from depth (Pulisic, Ziyech, Cho), experience and durability.  I really hope he gets focused as he could easily be to Chelsea this season what Pulisic was last season.  It needs consistent performances from Cho on the right flank, and bravery from Frank to start him more often.  I understand yesterday came too soon and we were cautious being away to Brighton the first game of the season, but there is room to be a little more bold and stretch the game on the flanks when availability permits.

I also think back to the end of last season, and thought he had a good impact in a number of games.  That basketball match at Anfield - Cho stood out when introduced.

 

Totally agree. I was saying all summer that we need another winger, CB and keeper or we are going to face real issues early in the season. 
 

Now Pulisic has had a set back and Ziyech is injured whilst Kepa is being Kepa, this is now concerning with Liverpool next week. 

2 hours ago, MayosNoun! said:

Totally agree. I was saying all summer that we need another winger, CB and keeper or we are going to face real issues early in the season. 
 

Now Pulisic has had a set back and Ziyech is injured whilst Kepa is being Kepa, this is now concerning with Liverpool next week. 

RLC for Zaha???

 

Looking forward to seeing large portions of the fanbase sh*tting themselves with apoplexy every time Hudson-Odoi starts whenever Ziyech is available. 

It'll be Schürrle vs Willian all over again...

 

2 hours ago, PloKoon13 said:

 

Looking forward to seeing large portions of the fanbase sh*tting themselves with apoplexy every time Hudson-Odoi starts whenever Ziyech is available. 

It'll be Schürrle vs Willian all over again...

 

Its ok, it will just prove how xenophobic Lampard is remember....

3 hours ago, PloKoon13 said:

 

Looking forward to seeing large portions of the fanbase sh*tting themselves with apoplexy every time Hudson-Odoi starts whenever Ziyech is available. 

It'll be Schürrle vs Willian all over again...

 

Then one month later Charlie Webster makes his debut and they vow to be patient with him cause he's a young player.

On 15/09/2020 at 15:00, ducavis said:

No one though Alphonso Davies was going to start at LB ahead of Alaba. I wouldn’t be surprised if they moved players around to make a role for him. What is surprising is arguably the current best club in Europe has been after him for 2 seasons, while he is stuck on the bench for us playing 20mins here and there.

Except Alphonso Davies took his chance and cemented his starting spot at Bayern. CHO so far hasn't. Now, you may point to his injuries or lack of playing time but truth of the matter is, you have to earn it, no one's entitled to a starting place in a top club, you have to prove yourself in every training session and every match. People blamed Sarri for ignoring the lad, but surely Lampard can't be accused for not giving young players opportunities?

And who exactly are Bayern going to bench to make room for the mighty CHO? You have got to be joking.

They were interested in him back in 2018-19 as a youngster with great potential and due to his contract situation at the time they were hoping to get him cheap. Then he got injured, they moved on and he signed a new long term contract. Why would the best club side in the world with the best set of wide players still be after CHO at this point in time? I think it's unlikely.

4 minutes ago, abramovich said:

Except Alphonso Davies took his chance and cemented his starting spot at Bayern. CHO so far hasn't. Now, you may point to his injuries or lack of playing time but truth of the matter is, you have to earn it, no one's entitled to a starting place in a top club, you have to prove yourself in every training session and every match. People blamed Sarri for ignoring the lad, but surely Lampard can't be accused for not giving young players opportunities?

And who exactly are Bayern going to bench to make room for the mighty CHO? You have got to be joking.

They were interested in him back in 2018-19 as a youngster with great potential and due to his contract situation at the time they were hoping to get him cheap. Then he got injured, they moved on and he signed a new long term contract. Why would the best club side in the world with the best set of wide players still be after CHO at this point in time? I think it's unlikely.

Well apparently they are still after him, and I wouldn’t discount it since they have sent Perisic back to Milan.

Why wouldn’t they be after him though? They took a chance on a Canadian prospect, signed Sane after a year out with an injury & spent a club record £80m on an injured defender. Everything points to them been very patient, and giving ample opportunities to these young players. As for CHO you will hard pressed to find any supporter that will argue he has been given a fair chance since Lamps took over.

22 minutes ago, ducavis said:

Well apparently they are still after him, and I wouldn’t discount it since they have sent Perisic back to Milan.

Why wouldn’t they be after him though? They took a chance on a Canadian prospect, signed Sane after a year out with an injury & spent a club record £80m on an injured defender. Everything points to them been very patient, and giving ample opportunities to these young players. As for CHO you will hard pressed to find any supporter that will argue he has been given a fair chance since Lamps took over.

It's just a transfer rumour at this point, nothing more. There's a long list of players being linked to clubs like Bayern and it gets updated every few days or so, that's how media works. Unless someone from Bayern hierarchy confirms it, it'll probably remain a rumour and will be soon forgotten.

And what do you think is the reason CHO wasn't given a fair chance under Lampard? Every other youngster did. Maybe there's something that manager sees and knows about the player that we obviously can't?

 

2 hours ago, abramovich said:

Except Alphonso Davies took his chance and cemented his starting spot at Bayern. CHO so far hasn't. Now, you may point to his injuries or lack of playing time but truth of the matter is, you have to earn it, no one's entitled to a starting place in a top club, you have to prove yourself in every training session and every match. People blamed Sarri for ignoring the lad, but surely Lampard can't be accused for not giving young players opportunities?

And who exactly are Bayern going to bench to make room for the mighty CHO? You have got to be joking.

They were interested in him back in 2018-19 as a youngster with great potential and due to his contract situation at the time they were hoping to get him cheap. Then he got injured, they moved on and he signed a new long term contract. Why would the best club side in the world with the best set of wide players still be after CHO at this point in time? I think it's unlikely.

Didn't they bid £40m for him at the time?

40 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Didn't they bid £40m for him at the time?

I thought it was 30m, and at the time (January 2019) he still had a year-and-a-half left on his old contract, so it wasn't exactly a huge amount of money for a talented youngster with great potential.

Edited September 17, 20205 yr by abramovich

6 minutes ago, abramovich said:

I thought it was 30m, and at the time (January 2019) he still had a year-and-a-half left on his old contract, so it wasn't exactly a huge amount of money for a talented youngster with great potential.

He was actually in the final year of the contract and it was a lot of money for him considering he was still a teenager.

2 hours ago, abramovich said:

It's just a transfer rumour at this point, nothing more. There's a long list of players being linked to clubs like Bayern and it gets updated every few days or so, that's how media works. Unless someone from Bayern hierarchy confirms it, it'll probably remain a rumour and will be soon forgotten.

And what do you think is the reason CHO wasn't given a fair chance under Lampard? Every other youngster did. Maybe there's something that manager sees and knows about the player that we obviously can't?

 

We will see how this develops, I am not sure it’s just paper talk as most of this rumours/links gets dismissed immediately by the club via their mouthpiece; The Bild.

No idea, could be the “tracking back” argument all over again. From what I have seen he’d rather play a CM out of position when a winger is missing, or change formation when all his wingers is missing. Personally find that very strange especially when the small sample shows he was building an understanding with James when he has played, as shown again over the weekend.

24 minutes ago, ducavis said:

He was actually in the final year of the contract and it was a lot of money for him considering he was still a teenager.

No, he wasn't. Here's an article from July last year.

https://www.teamtalk.com/news/bayern-refusing-to-abandon-chase-for-70m-rated-chelsea-star

"But there are reports that Hudson-Odoi, who has won two senior England caps, could well decide to run down his current deal – which has only a year left to run – and exit for nothing in 12 months from now."

Bayern could not afford Havertz, we already turned down £40m for Cho, when his contract was running down, so it would surely take Havertz level money for us to sell with 4 years left on his contract. Juve are skint, Leipzig dont sign players for big money.

A loan deal seems unlikely given we dont have an abundance of out and out wingers, and loaning him to germany could push him into wanting to leave, and after the Courtois situation, i dont think we would be that naive.

Complete non story for me, a bit like mount being upset with the Havertz signing which was also rubbished. 

Bayern didnt keep perisic, and Cho didnt start 1st game of the season. 1+1=3. 

Plenty of opportunities for Cho this season, and i think he will have a decent campaign, just needs to stay fit, and keep his head down.

On 16/09/2020 at 01:26, bisright1 said:

Buy backs only work if the player wants to come back. 

If someone becomes world class whilst at RB and we want them back, we'd still have to compete with Madrid, Citeh, Bayern, Juventus etc. They wouldn't need to pay much more than we would to get them back.

E.g. we sell him to RB Leipzig with a £40m buy back and a 20% sell on fee. If we decide to buy CHO back, he will only cost every other suitor £50m to have a bid accepted.  

Works for Madrid because they have less competition. The best club in the world doesn't need to worry about a player choosing to go to Chelsea over them.

You can write anything you want into a contract. Chelsea takes the initial 'risk' of developing the player as its own asset.

There's no reason why Chelsea cannot write a buy-back + first-preference + sell-on clause in all departing youth player contracts and it's mutually beneficial for most clubs; because Chelsea is a top EPL club, there will also always be a good % of players wanting to return at their peak, unlike 'traditional' youth development clubs (eg Ajax or Sporting Lisbon)

Really dissapointed not to see CHO until the 80th minute against Brighton, you could really see we needed a winger.