3 hours ago, ducavis said:

Ideally both players still need at least 2 years if regular football in a strong league. I would loan them out to the Bundesliga, renowned for producing a constant stream of young stars. An Europa team or a mid table bundesliga team would be perfect e.g Augsburg or Borussia Monch. 

Normally I agree but for these two I think they are ready for the squad next year. Replace Pedro with CHO. Replace Luiz with Ampadu.

Then if you want...replace Willian with someone world class. Ditto Bakayoko. Ditto Cahill.

You can probably count on one hand the amount of mistakes AMpadu has made in his senior games and Checktrade trophy games. The lad is a serious talent.

I do think he'll get a year or two on loan though before coming back to us but hes practically ready now. If Conte, or whoevers in charge next year has the balls to sell Cahill and Luiz, in Zouma and Ampadu, we've got two, young CBs that could easily step into the void left by both.

CHO, excellent prospect, but like Musonda, I think he has to go on loan before hes played, hes got serious competition on the wings in the summer but theres no doubting his ability.

2 hours ago, benjsross said:

Normally I agree but for these two I think they are ready for the squad next year. Replace Pedro with CHO. Replace Luiz with Ampadu.

Then if you want...replace Willian with someone world class. Ditto Bakayoko. Ditto Cahill.

Zouma can replace Cahill, Loftus Cheek could replace Bakayako. This is our frustration, we are wasting £ on players we didnt need to buy when we had players in academy who could of done a job. Then when a top player does become available we have the money to go out and try and buy him.

7 hours ago, ducavis said:

Ideally both players still need at least 2 years if regular football in a strong league. I would loan them out to the Bundesliga, renowned for producing a constant stream of young stars. An Europa team or a mid table bundesliga team would be perfect e.g Augsburg or Borussia Monch. 

Why can´t we develop them in house like United did with Rashford? Hudson Odoi doesn´t need a loan, he needs to be given a chance

agree with above, don't think these two need a loan. I think that Musonda going was the right the decision, but both of these can play a good role in the squad, particularly Ampadu he looks so composed for a 17 year old  

Loans are lazy. If you truly want a player to succeed and improve to a level where they can play in the first team the best thing to do is spend time developing them and trusting them with minutes at the club. Palming them off onto another club to spend that time developing them shows a lack of interest and commitment to wanting them to actually improve. It's why most loans don't work and why the wants that do are usually with clubs that believe they have a chance of signing the player on loan.

Courtois, De Bruyne and Christensen all succeeded on loan because the clubs felt they had a chance of signing those players and thus played them the way they would play anow actual signing. Same reason Batshuayi is doing well.

Not strictly true, Vitesse have a cat in hells chance of signing Mason Mount and that loan has worked wonders for him.

24 minutes ago, Floyd25 said:

Not strictly true, Vitesse have a cat in hells chance of signing Mason Mount and that loan has worked wonders for him.

That is true, although Vitesse are a weird club that seem to relish playing Chelsea loanees. I don't think performing well for Vitesse will ever get a player a place in Chelsea's first team so loans to them are merely stepping stones for players until they are ready for a proper loan.

16 minutes ago, Total-Football said:

That is true, although Vitesse are a weird club that seem to relish playing Chelsea loanees. I don't think performing well for Vitesse will ever get a player a place in Chelsea's first team so loans to them are merely stepping stones for players until they are ready for a proper loan.

It works for Vitesse, they won the Dutch cup last season, their first trophy in a long time and that was largely down to Lewis Baker, who also excelled their. I agree, it's a stepping stone for our players, but a nice place to go and play and learn, perhaps even win a trophy and the level isn't as sh*t as some say it is, as Charlie Colkett found out, with his poor performances.

On 17/02/2018 at 12:42, jack_super_class said:

Zouma can replace Cahill, Loftus Cheek could replace Bakayako. This is our frustration, we are wasting £ on players we didnt need to buy when we had players in academy who could of done a job. Then when a top player does become available we have the money to go out and try and buy him.

Bakayoko is a first team player, RLC isn't strong enough to take that place. I dont think he ever will be. He did alright for a team who were bottom of the league... (not to say he couldn't do a job for us next year, but it won't be in the first team. 

Zouma maybe instead of Cahill - we will likely be playing back 4 more often next season. 

Edited February 19, 20188 yr by benjsross

CHO was training with the first team today.

Think he might actually be involved

On 2/19/2018 at 08:35, benjsross said:

Bakayoko is a first team player, RLC isn't strong enough to take that place. I dont think he ever will be. He did alright for a team who were bottom of the league... (not to say he couldn't do a job for us next year, but it won't be in the first team. 

Zouma maybe instead of Cahill - we will likely be playing back 4 more often next season. 

pmsl. I could take Bakayoko's place.

3 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

pmsl. I could take Bakayoko's place.

I meant take the first team place that Baka has. Baka isnt strong enough either. We need someone better than both of them in that role. 

Ampadu out for the rest of the season, ankle fracture, big shame. I hope he recovers as quickly as possible.

5 hours ago, Floyd25 said:

Ampadu out for the rest of the season, ankle fracture, big shame. I hope he recovers as quickly as possible.

Fuk, poor lad  Every extra minute playing this season would have helped his progress.

6 hours ago, Floyd25 said:

Ampadu out for the rest of the season, ankle fracture, big shame. I hope he recovers as quickly as possible.

Poor lad. As the saying goes - What doesn't kill us, makes us stronger. Good luck to the lad.

Gutted for ampadu. Hopefully come back stronger. Maybe he can draw some inspiration from hazards come back.

When are Chelsea actually going to pay for Ampadu? He was fully developed over a 9 year period at Exeter and Exeter have yet to receive a penny for the transfer.

DISGRACEFUL!!!!!

2 minutes ago, Rightwing said:

When are Chelsea actually going to pay for Ampadu? He was fully developed over a 9 year period at Exeter and Exeter have yet to receive a penny for the transfer.

DISGRACEFUL!!!!!

Woah ! What do you know about the deal, please tell, it's not like we are going to run away without making payment.

Ah it's a tribunal job. Don't worry then, let them decide.

34 minutes ago, Rightwing said:

When are Chelsea actually going to pay for Ampadu? He was fully developed over a 9 year period at Exeter and Exeter have yet to receive a penny for the transfer.

DISGRACEFUL!!!!!

What do you want us to do about it? Have a whip round?

1 hour ago, Rightwing said:

When are Chelsea actually going to pay for Ampadu? He was fully developed over a 9 year period at Exeter and Exeter have yet to receive a penny for the transfer.

DISGRACEFUL!!!!!

We’d give you Bakayoko but that’d really be taking the piss.

50 minutes ago, Zeta said:

What do you want us to do about it? Have a whip round?

I've just checked my pockets, I've £7.72, an old raffle ticket and a receipt from tesco for wine, cheese and chorizo. 

"Rightwing"? More like "Rightwhinge" 

On 19/02/2018 at 08:35, benjsross said:

Bakayoko is a first team player, RLC isn't strong enough to take that place. I dont think he ever will be. He did alright for a team who were bottom of the league... (not to say he couldn't do a job for us next year, but it won't be in the first team. 

Zouma maybe instead of Cahill - we will likely be playing back 4 more often next season. 

Jesus christ I thought this was an old post from the start of the season when I saw it quoted, can't believe it was only last month. Pass the bud along please.