5 hours ago, Munkworth said:

English bias 

CHO has managed more than in his limited minutes than Pulisic has managed, completely justifying his selection  

The guy is young, has bags of potential and from the sounds of it has the right attitude to getting himself back in the first team.
 

But when you’re being out performed by Willian you don’t deserve to be playing 

 

Yeah because missing 1v1 sitters with the GK is deserving of automatic admission into the starting XI.  

I honestly wish CHO and Pulisic would rotate.  Play one in one game, the next in another.

We're in a tough spot though having lots of good options in AM and not enough spots in the XI.  I almost would like to see us start using a back 3 with Tomori, Rudiger and James to give us an extra spot in midfield or the attach, especially once RLC comes back.

8 hours ago, TrueBlueSeaFC87 said:

Yeah because missing 1v1 sitters with the GK is deserving of automatic admission into the starting XI.  

With that logic Tammy wouldn’t be playing, Mount wouldn’t be playing, Giroud wouldn’t be playing, Pedro wouldn’t be playing, Barkley wouldn’t be playing. I could go on and on.  

The chance you’re talking about wasn’t exactly a sitter either. I’m more annoyed he didn’t try to find Tammy who was wide open for a tap in and took the shot on himself. 
 

I think you need to take a Valium, take your star spangled red white and blue tinted glasses off and see the whole situation instead of cherry picking the bits that suit your narrative. 

Ffs, the guy is 20. He'll need time to get used to the pace of the league. His natural game is good, he'll get his chances especially under Frank and it's not like he's totally out of the team. He actually played quite a few games with us already this season.

Pulisic subbed out in the 60th minute against Canada.  😠

1 hour ago, TrueBlueSeaFC87 said:

Pulisic subbed out in the 60th minute against Canada.  😠

Good

14 hours ago, TrueBlueSeaFC87 said:

Pulisic subbed out in the 60th minute against Canada.  😠

Must be that British bias in the US national team. 

1 hour ago, Munkworth said:

Must be that British bias in the US national team. 

I pulled a few strings 

 

I put a comment in one of the rags stating what I thought to be obvious.....if there is any bias keeping Pusilic out of the starting 11 at Chelsea, it is not English bias but a bias to put forward your own academy products.......and it is up to Pusilic to show he is the better option even in the face of that bias, and he has failed to do that......and I can't help but think Frank has already shown he will give minutes when they are merited even in the face of any bias.....or blame the academy kids for not making it easy to get in over them once they finally got a chance.

American media need to stop acting as if he is Messi and expecting that he should walk into chelsea's starting eleven. Everytime I watch an American pundit they mention his price tag as if that alone proves he should be starting. The lad has lots of potential but he isn't the finished article yet. He needs to improve on his off-the-ball game. To put it in Mourniho's terms, he is looking like a "luxury player" atm. Especially in that game against Canada.

You English folk need stop acting as if he is inferior.  You'll act like CHO, RLC and Mount are the next coming of Christ.

Seriously,  I've been a Chelsea fan since 2005 (sorry, not as long as you have), and your disrespect and non-support for a Chelsea player is making me lose a lot of respect for this forum. 

Why not give him a run of games?  We're not honestly challenging for a top 4 spot, what is it going to hurt to start him 3-4 games in a row to get some EPL legs under him?


 

Edited October 17, 20196 yr by TrueBlueSeaFC87

7 hours ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

American media need to stop acting as if he is Messi and expecting that he should walk into chelsea's starting eleven. Everytime I watch an American pundit they mention his price tag as if that alone proves he should be starting. The lad has lots of potential but he isn't the finished article yet. He needs to improve on his off-the-ball game. To put it in Mourniho's terms, he is looking like a "luxury player" atm. Especially in that game against Canada.

They are incredibly unrealistic when it comes to Pulisic in America. They need to remember that he lost his place to a rookie at Dortmund. Sancho is a decent player, I don't think he is spectacular, but he's decent, and if Pulisic is as good as the American's think he is, then he wouldn't have lost his place at all. Right now he faces the exact same issues he had at Dortmund, he is struggling to get a start ahead of a younger player. I won't give up on him just yet, but I don't see him getting into the first 11 until a players form drops or if he plays so well that Lampard just can't leave him out of the team.

19 minutes ago, TrueBlueSeaFC87 said:

You English folk need stop acting as if he is inferior.  You'll act like CHO, RLC and Mount are the next coming of Christ.

Seriously,  I've been a Chelsea fan since 2005 (sorry, not as long as you have), and your disrespect and non-support for a Chelsea player is making me lose a lot of respect for this forum. 

Why not give him a run of games?  We're not honestly challenging for a top 4 spot, what is it going to hurt to start him 3-4 games in a row to get some EPL legs under him?


 

I wasn't really all that interested in us signing Pulisic to begin with, I just didn't think he was all that special. I'll give him a chance though and what he does have in his favour right now is his age, so he can improve. Nobody has denied that he has talent, but right now, the players you mentioned are ahead of him on merit. Hudson-Odoi returned from a 5 month injury and made an instant impact, Mount returned from loan and did the exact same thing and he was out of position when he did it. Loftus-Cheek was arguably our most in form player before he picked up his injury and was starting to really look like a top player.

Pulisic is in the same position as Batshuayi at the moment, he needs to displace players that are in form and getting us results. That means he needs to take his chances when he gets them. He got himself an assist in the game against Southampton, now he needs to keep doing it when he gets his chances. He can't afford to put in performances like he did against Grimsby. He's going to need to take every chance he get's. It's tough, but that is football at the top level.

You say why not give him a run of games, but people can counter that and say what has he done to earn those games and what has the player he will be replacing done to lose his place? I wouldn't drop Willian, Mount or Hudson-Odoi on current form. I don't agree that we aren't challenging for the top 4 either. We are currently 5th on goal difference and 2 points behind 2nd. Getting top 4 will be incredibly tough this season, so we can't take risks and drop in form players for a run of games.

2 hours ago, TrueBlueSeaFC87 said:

You English folk need stop acting as if he is inferior.  You'll act like CHO, RLC and Mount are the next coming of Christ.

Seriously,  I've been a Chelsea fan since 2005 (sorry, not as long as you have), and your disrespect and non-support for a Chelsea player is making me lose a lot of respect for this forum. 

Why not give him a run of games?  We're not honestly challenging for a top 4 spot, what is it going to hurt to start him 3-4 games in a row to get some EPL legs under him?


 

and conversely you need to stop acting like he is superior... I don't see much in the way of disrespect, merely criticisms of his current level of performance. On current form he is behind other players in his position, it is up to him to prove himself a better player. (or at least an equal option) he is young in a new, and arguably the fastest and most physical, league. 

he needs to have time to adapt to the new circumstances, I give him a lot of credit for, firstly going to Germany as a very young bloke and showing he can perform in that league, I also give credit for wanting to prove himself here, and lastly for having the weight of expectation for the US team. However this does not transfer in to a free pass to play. 

He is clearly a talented player, possibly the most talented yank ever, but again this doesn't mean he just walks into the team. How many European greats have failed in the English leagues over the years many of whom would be in a class above Pulisics current level.

I would being willing to bet that everyone here hopes he lives up to his potential and billing as it would mean the team has a great player.

Lastly of course as Chelsea fans we are excited to see the fruits of the academy finally producing players for the first team, hence the level of praise for CHO etc. as a Chelsea fan you should also be excited about the academy producing players for the first team. CHO has had similar criticism leveled at him when he got games last season that he didnt grab them but again this was tempered by the caveat that he is young, and was finding his feet.

 

 

3 hours ago, TrueBlueSeaFC87 said:

You English folk need stop acting as if he is inferior.  You'll act like CHO, RLC and Mount are the next coming of Christ.

Seriously,  I've been a Chelsea fan since 2005 (sorry, not as long as you have), and your disrespect and non-support for a Chelsea player is making me lose a lot of respect for this forum. 

Why not give him a run of games?  We're not honestly challenging for a top 4 spot, what is it going to hurt to start him 3-4 games in a row to get some EPL legs under him?


 

 He hasn't had a full run of games but started against Man Utd and Frank has seen fit to bench him since then. I suspect that Frank and Jody have a better idea of how good he is and they obviously aren't seeing enough at the moment. This maybe because he doesn't train well or offer the type of skills required for the style we are currently playing. It may also be that the players that replaced him are performing better.

Chelsea are a club with high expectations and they can't afford to be dropping high performing players for ones that need a bit of nurturing. If Pulisic is to make it at Chelsea he needs to take his chance when it comes and at the moment he is suffering because others saw their chance and stepped up when it came. If he learns from this and is as good as his hype he will succeed at Chelsea but he needs to make a mark when he gets his chance.

It's hard to argue that Chelsea should drop Mount when he frequently assists and/or scores. Why would any coach drop him when he makes such a strong impact?  He is in the England team and/or squad and may tire soon but he hasn't yet. Christian had a difficult closed season and from what I can gather he actually didn't get one and came straight to Chelsea and started training. This may be impacting him but  he needs to get over this and step up when his chance comes. It's a long season and his chance will come but he needs to apply himself when it does if he wants to become a regular. Chelsea will not gift him a run of games on the basis of what he has done elsewhere.

Perhaps this considered response will rebuild some of that respect you have lost.

 

15 hours ago, Barry Bridges said:

I pulled a few strings 

 

I put a comment in one of the rags stating what I thought to be obvious.....if there is any bias keeping Pusilic out of the starting 11 at Chelsea, it is not English bias but a bias to put forward your own academy products.......and it is up to Pusilic to show he is the better option even in the face of that bias, and he has failed to do that......and I can't help but think Frank has already shown he will give minutes when they are merited even in the face of any bias.....or blame the academy kids for not making it easy to get in over them once they finally got a chance.

I don't buy this bias thing, if that was the case Jamie Cumming would have also took Caballero's place as number two but he hasn't.

I like Pulisic's potential but so far he hasn't done enough to be starting league games and since he's been took out for Willian our results and performances have drastically improved.

He's in no position of strength to complain at the minute.

4 hours ago, TrueBlueSeaFC87 said:

Why not give him a run of games?  We're not honestly challenging for a top 4 spot, 

You're not serious? Apart from City and Liverpool, which teams are looking better than us right now?

6 hours ago, TrueBlueSeaFC87 said:

You English folk need stop acting as if he is inferior.  You'll act like CHO, RLC and Mount are the next coming of Christ.

Seriously,  I've been a Chelsea fan since 2005 (sorry, not as long as you have), and your disrespect and non-support for a Chelsea player is making me lose a lot of respect for this forum. 

Why not give him a run of games?  We're not honestly challenging for a top 4 spot, what is it going to hurt to start him 3-4 games in a row to get some EPL legs under him?


 

Literally every player you mentioned is far ahead of Pulisic.

Hudson-Odoi was being chased by the dominant force in Germany to be their next superstar, whilst Pulisic was sat on the bench of their less superior rival.

RLC was the CM with the most impact last season for us. Not only dominating the centre of the pitch, but also scoring some great goals. 

Mount has come back from a season under Frank in the Championship and currently has 4 goals in 8 games in the best league in the world.

All this while Pulisic doesn't even look like being able to take on his man, nevermind put the ball in the back of the net. He deserves a chance to play but he has to prove he's better than our academy products first, which he is not. 

Is it the American media though? It's all British on that ESPN channel with a few Americans. 

I don't really read a lot of American coverage on the sport so I have no idea, but I've mostly seen ESPN headlines and it's the likes of Burley and Nicol making the headlines about it, they aren't American. 

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Literally every player you mentioned is far ahead of Pulisic.

Hudson-Odoi was being chased by the dominant force in Germany to be their next superstar, whilst Pulisic was sat on the bench of their less superior rival.

RLC was the CM with the most impact last season for us. Not only dominating the centre of the pitch, but also scoring some great goals. 

Mount has come back from a season under Frank in the Championship and currently has 4 goals in 8 games in the best league in the world.

All this while Pulisic doesn't even look like being able to take on his man, nevermind put the ball in the back of the net. He deserves a chance to play but he has to prove he's better than our academy products first, which he is not. 

I wouldn't be that harsh, he seems inconsistent but I think he's also looked promising in some aspects. Had a very good game against Liverpool and that was a superb assist in his last game. 

It's obvious Lampard fancies the academy players over him at the moment and that might say a lot, but I'm not going to write Pulisic off just yet, I think he's capable of becoming a player, whereas the likes of Barkley I've pretty much written off for having a future here. 

59 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Is it the American media though? It's all British on that ESPN channel with a few Americans. 

I don't really read a lot of American coverage on the sport so I have no idea, but I've mostly seen ESPN headlines and it's the likes of Burley and Nicol making the headlines about it, they aren't American. 

Yeah but they will play up to their home audience... 

5 hours ago, Bonzodog29 said:

He is clearly a talented player, possibly the most talented yank ever, but again this doesn't mean he just walks into the team.

So was Freddy Adu and where’s he now?

1 hour ago, Slojo said:

I wouldn't be that harsh, he seems inconsistent but I think he's also looked promising in some aspects. Had a very good game against Liverpool and that was a superb assist in his last game. 

It's obvious Lampard fancies the academy players over him at the moment and that might say a lot, but I'm not going to write Pulisic off just yet, I think he's capable of becoming a player, whereas the likes of Barkley I've pretty much written off for having a future here. 

I don't think Frank fancies the academy players more. I just think the academy players are more familiar with Frank's tactics and the pace/physicality of the EPL than Pulisic who's still trying to get the grips on both. I believe it's a matter of time though seeing as Willian and Pedro are at the twilight of their careers.

4 hours ago, Deino said:

I don't think Frank fancies the academy players more. I just think the academy players are more familiar with Frank's tactics and the pace/physicality of the EPL than Pulisic who's still trying to get the grips on both. I believe it's a matter of time though seeing as Willian and Pedro are at the twilight of their careers.

Frankie loves Willian, and Mount as well. I think he prefers them but that's also justified.

20 hours ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

 American media need to stop acting as if he is Messi and expecting that he should walk into chelsea's starting eleven. Everytime I watch an American pundit they mention his price tag as if that alone proves he should be starting. The lad has lots of potential but he isn't the finished article yet. He needs to improve on his off-the-ball game. To put it in Mourniho's terms, he is looking like a "luxury player" atm. Especially in that game against Canada.

We have a long history of this.  The media is still waiting for Freddy Adu to make it big...….

Edited October 17, 20196 yr by Boston Blue

He'll leave and turn into a Salah or DeBryne and then we'll be whining.......seriously though he needs to get a grip on reality and grow some balls instead of crying on the bench. He's struggling to find form and the big price tag probably isn't helping matters.  If he wants to stay then he needs to get his head down and work both in training and when he does get his chance, even against the likes of the Grimsby's of the world.  Nothing comes easy, especially as a professional footballer in this league.

On 17/10/2019 at 00:28, TrueBlueSeaFC87 said:

You English folk need stop acting as if he is inferior.  You'll act like CHO, RLC and Mount are the next coming of Christ.

Seriously,  I've been a Chelsea fan since 2005 (sorry, not as long as you have), and your disrespect and non-support for a Chelsea player is making me lose a lot of respect for this forum. 

Why not give him a run of games?  We're not honestly challenging for a top 4 spot, what is it going to hurt to start him 3-4 games in a row to get some EPL legs under him?


 

I'm not disrespecting him and I don't think anyone else is. I actually supported his signing in January and was excited to see him join the team. I want him to succeed at Chelsea and I think he has the potential to do well for the team, I'm just criticizing the notion that he deserves a starting spot ahead of people that have been playing better than him. And this has nothing to do with his nationality because I also don't believe Barkley has done enough to start. 

We might not have looked like a top 4 challenger at the start of the season but things have changed with Spurs and Manutd's decline in form. Top 4 is more of a possibility but it will still be difficult and IMO the players playing the best should start. If Pulisic proves he is better than any of the attacking players starting then I'd gladly be happy for him to start over them.

 

20 hours ago, Slojo said:

Is it the American media though? It's all British on that ESPN channel with a few Americans. 

I don't really read a lot of American coverage on the sport so I have no idea, but I've mostly seen ESPN headlines and it's the likes of Burley and Nicol making the headlines about it, they aren't American. 

I see what you mean since most american channels broadcasting football tend to be hosted by british pundits, but I think its less of a personnel thing and more of them working for an American channel. A good example is that they talk mostly about the US national team when it comes to International break even though they are british.

Edited October 18, 20196 yr by Frankie8Lampard

3 hours ago, CFCCAN said:

He'll leave and turn into a Salah or DeBryne and then we'll be whining.......seriously though he needs to get a grip on reality and grow some balls instead of crying on the bench. He's struggling to find form and the big price tag probably isn't helping matters.  If he wants to stay then he needs to get his head down and work both in training and when he does get his chance, even against the likes of the Grimsby's of the world.  Nothing comes easy, especially as a professional footballer in this league.

Has he been crying? All ive seen is a few interviews where he said he is willing to fight to win his place and understands he has to earn it.