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Keep him until the end of next season then do a 2 year review of the project then decide if it's worth it to continue on with him.

He at least deserve 6 months with the results at the end of the season. At least it wasn't Conte's 3-5-1-1 with no wingers.

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I was never a Sarri in,  simply not good enough, he's rabbit caught in headlights when big in game decisions need  making, I was wrong last Sunday though when I said I suppose he deserves a second season as we got top four, but after his antics on Thursday night when  the second half display of team and his management nearly cost us, I'm convinced we made top four in spite of him not because of him, keep him next season and be prepared some more horror performances and him admiting he can't motivate players.
Come June thank him, and part our ways.
You seriously want us to give him till June? I won't give him beyond December to sack him. When we sack him, we need to sign the right manager immediately and no interim, so the new manager can have the chance to manage and get to know the players from January till June and then decide who to keep and who to release. If we give Sarri time till June, the new manager will also want us to be patient with him for a whole season so he can get used to the team before going all out for the title in his second season. I can't stand 3 or 4 seasons without winning the league once. If we will give Sarri the whole of next season, his replacement better be Conte!
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44 minutes ago, bluedave said:

I don't understand the point of this. Do you get bonus points if you beat a top 7 team?

Someone asked if they thought our results were good enough against the Top 6. We got a chart, I was interested in the numbers. We were bad on the road, but how bad compared to our competition for Top 6.

I actually found it very interesting how successful Wolves were against Top 6 squads. 

Turns out the difference between winning the championship and having the greatest second place team ever trophy was the games against Top 6.

Turns out, if you remove Wolves, the results for the Top 6 were dang near in order of the finish.

Only Spurs was out of order.. So whether you find any interest or not, I think results against Top 6 is very telling in the final league table. At least it was this year. 

And in the grand scheme of things.. None of this matters.. It's a message board... So lighten up ?

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Same as Emery, better than Poch and Solksjaer/Mourinho.

 

1. Man City P10 W8 D1 L1 F20 A5 Pts 25 GD +15

2. Liverpool P10 W5 D4 L1 F17 A7 Pts 19 GD +10

3. Arsenal P10 W3 D3 L4 F13 A16 Pts 12 GD -3

4.Chelsea P10 W3 D3 L4 F12 A17 Pts 12 GD -5

5. Spurs P10 W2 D1 L7 F9 A13 Pts 7 GD -4

6. Man United P10 W1 D4 L5 F8 A18 Pts 7 GD -8

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21 hours ago, Sindre said:

There are actually several options out there if you ask me.

I've already mentioned some of them but i'll give you another alternative in Erik Ten Hag from Ajax. Also possession-based if that's the way the club wants to go.

So you go for a like for like substitution.

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2 hours ago, wallosh said:
On 11/05/2019 at 16:02, chi blue said:
I was never a Sarri in,  simply not good enough, he's rabbit caught in headlights when big in game decisions need  making, I was wrong last Sunday though when I said I suppose he deserves a second season as we got top four, but after his antics on Thursday night when  the second half display of team and his management nearly cost us, I'm convinced we made top four in spite of him not because of him, keep him next season and be prepared some more horror performances and him admiting he can't motivate players.
Come June thank him, and part our ways.

You seriously want us to give him till June? I won't give him beyond December to sack him. When we sack him, we need to sign the right manager immediately and no interim, so the new manager can have the chance to manage and get to know the players from January till June and then decide who to keep and who to release. If we give Sarri time till June, the new manager will also want us to be patient with him for a whole season so he can get used to the team before going all out for the title in his second season. I can't stand 3 or 4 seasons without winning the league once. If we will give Sarri the whole of next season, his replacement better be Conte!

June this year, i.e 2/3 weeks. Then thank him and dispense with his services. 

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On 13/05/2019 at 09:04, Bonzodog29 said:

Such horsesh*t. Our points total would get us to 3rd most seasons. The teams around us wobbled at a bad time, yes, but in most seasons you would expect all teams to have rough patches, the main difference this season is the top 2 are/ were outstanding and didnt wobble at all throughout the season, 

mate, the race for 4th was only a 'race' because we are all so poor.  We need big changes and a slight different approach from the manager.  Has to tone down the stubbornness mainly, and create a plan B

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I was/am more Sarri out, simply because it grinds on me how poor we have been this year and how stubborn he is.  If he was here at the start of next season though you couldn't really complain because on paper it is deserved.

 

When you are at the ground etc or just chatting to fellow blues, its massively Sarri Out (majority anyway)

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8 minutes ago, RickUK said:

mate, the race for 4th was only a 'race' because we are all so poor.  We need big changes and a slight different approach from the manager.  Has to tone down the stubbornness mainly, and create a plan B

I understand your point, however the counter argument is still there, we may have "all been so poor" but the points total doesnt lie and would get us top 4 most seasons, this would suggest that over the course of most seasons anyone involved in the "race" for a top 4 would have been poor, we know this isnt actually true. Yes we were poor by our own very high recent standards but the main thing IMO is that the top 2 have been that good this year. I agree with the fact we need to have more flexibility from the manager and I also feel there were signs of that toward the end, but as has been mentioned a number of times he wants the team getting then basics of his style down pat before adding in alterations, hence i think the stubbornness. I am not saying Sarri is the second coming but while we have been poor in patches there were times when the style clicked and you could see what he was going for and should he be able to keep on that vein then I would be happy to wait. 

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/talksport.com/football/542110/premier-league-table-2018-19-alternative-standings-division-finished-expected-goals-statistics/amp/

Here's the expected points tally for the season. Now while it has us at almost exactly the amount of points as we did get it had us comfortably third in the table, 10 points clear of 4th.

I know this type of graph will never win round some people but I actually find it very useful. Yes in terms of the game/season just gone it's pointless but if can give you a good idea on what's going to happen in the future for example.

- Last season United were overperforming their XG/XP metre by quite some distance, which made their collapse fairly predictable especially when combined with Jose's track record in a third season.

- Earlier in the season Spurs were outperforming XG in a similar way which led to me predicting a sticky run at some point and viola, although I want expecting such a poor run.

- City in Pep's first season constantly underperforming their XG metre because of horrendous finishing and Claudio Bravo, it was clear they were going to be formidable once that was sorted out, and they are.

This is why getting the transfer window stayed is crucial, because I believe we truly have a chance to cement our position in 3rd with the right signings and right loan returns.

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He started very well for us but in the middle of the season he was definitely poor. Very stubborn in not willing to change tactics or drop players, but at least he wasnt stubborn/stupid enough to carry on the same way because towards the end of the season he really did pick up again and showed he was willing to change tactics and drop players. 

Jorginho had a big turn around towards the end of the season, and Sarri is a big reason for that. Not to mention that CHO and RLC are pretty much in our starting XI now. I support Sarri 100%

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June this year, i.e 2/3 weeks. Then thank him and dispense with his services. 
June this year? Haha, the media will slaughter our board for not being patient with him after qualifying us for the champions league. I personally already know he will struggle next year because he has overachieved by finishing 3rd in the league this season, it will be even more difficult to finish 4th next season because Spurs, Arsenal and United will be stronger next season. But I think it's fair to give him till next season, if by November he is still throwing tantrums about not knowing how to motivate the players or he still doesn't know why we come out of the dressing room and have a bad second half, we should just let him go and appoint a new manager in December.
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Thought we played well today but finishing let us down. If we can sort that out we could be in good shape for next season. 
No idea how we sort that out. I look back to a couple of years ago and wonder how we didn't buy aubamayang. 
Aubameyang? Are you serious?
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Because you are trying to see only negatives 
We are nothing like Wenger's arsenal. We are one season into a project to change our style of football.
I am looking forward to the day Sarri wins a big trophy with us and you and wallosh still find something to complain about. 
A big trophy? It's good to be optimistic at times.
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He was my first choice once rumours of Costa wanting out started. I kept banging on about him in the rumours thread before he signed for Arsenal. It seemed like such an obvious choice, but he was another striker that slipped through our fingers.
He simply would have been another Morata here. We don't create chances as much as Arsenal does, he definitely would have struggle here. Don't forget he gets missing in most games and he and Morata are few of the laziest forwards I have ever seen.
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11 minutes ago, wallosh said:
On 13/05/2019 at 02:48, Scott Harris said:
He was my first choice once rumours of Costa wanting out started. I kept banging on about him in the rumours thread before he signed for Arsenal. It seemed like such an obvious choice, but he was another striker that slipped through our fingers.

He simply would have been another Morata here. We don't create chances as much as Arsenal does, he definitely would have struggle here. Don't forget he gets missing in most games and he and Morata are few of the laziest forwards I have ever seen.

 

Just FYI, the little + Button next to the 'Quote' Button is for multi quoting :JC_doubleup:

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3 hours ago, wallosh said:
On 13/05/2019 at 02:48, Scott Harris said:
He was my first choice once rumours of Costa wanting out started. I kept banging on about him in the rumours thread before he signed for Arsenal. It seemed like such an obvious choice, but he was another striker that slipped through our fingers.

He simply would have been another Morata here. We don't create chances as much as Arsenal does, he definitely would have struggle here. Don't forget he gets missing in most games and he and Morata are few of the laziest forwards I have ever seen.

Us and Arsenal are roughly level on the XG metre (which in layman terms calculates the quality of chances create and probability of a goal).

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6 hours ago, wallosh said:
22 hours ago, chi blue said:
June this year, i.e 2/3 weeks. Then thank him and dispense with his services. 

June this year? Haha, the media will slaughter our board for not being patient with him after qualifying us for the champions league. I personally already know he will struggle next year because he has overachieved by finishing 3rd in the league this season, it will be even more difficult to finish 4th next season because Spurs, Arsenal and United will be stronger next season. But I think it's fair to give him till next season, if by November he is still throwing tantrums about not knowing how to motivate the players or he still doesn't know why we come out of the dressing room and have a bad second half, we should just let him go and appoint a new manager in December.

The only team that may get better are Arsenal. Spurs have stagnanted and United are f**ked even more so than Liverpool circa 10-12.

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The only team that may get better are Arsenal. Spurs have stagnanted and United are f**ked even more so than Liverpool circa 10-12.
I think the Spurs will strengthen there team immensely next season because they are through with the stadium stuff, and that will make Pochettino want to stick around. I can see the possibility of them finishing second once more next season.
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3 hours ago, wallosh said:
21 hours ago, Argo said:
The only team that may get better are Arsenal. Spurs have stagnanted and United are f**ked even more so than Liverpool circa 10-12.

I think the Spurs will strengthen there team immensely next season because they are through with the stadium stuff, and that will make Pochettino want to stick around. I can see the possibility of them finishing second once more next season.

I think your wrong on all counts, they definitely are not through the stadium stuff at all. 

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We are in trouble if Sarri remains with the club beyond this season. I don't care that they finished 3rd. If that's your only reasoning as to why he should stay, then you must not have watched the full season. The competition around us was dreadful. The fact that they finished 3rd after only winning 7 of their final 16 league matches proves how bad the rest of the teams were. This was also one of the lowest goal scoring seasons the club has had since Abramovich bought the team. His refusal to adapt and make necessary changes hurt this team. He kept going back to a losing formula despite the bad results, and it wasn't until he was under pressure by the fans and the press that he finally gave in, and by no coincidence they started playing better football. If our transfer ban gets delayed, I do not trust him making any signings. The two players he brought in and swore by were huge failures. His tactics and mentality are not suited for the Premier League.

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15 minutes ago, Bramskii said:

We are in trouble if Sarri remains with the club beyond this season. I don't care that they finished 3rd. If that's your only reasoning as to why he should stay, then you must not have watched the full season. The competition around us was dreadful. The fact that they finished 3rd after only winning 7 of their final 16 league matches proves how bad the rest of the teams were. This was also one of the lowest goal scoring seasons the club has had since Abramovich bought the team. His refusal to adapt and make necessary changes hurt this team. He kept going back to a losing formula despite the bad results, and it wasn't until he was under pressure by the fans and the press that he finally gave in, and by no coincidence they started playing better football. If our transfer ban gets delayed, I do not trust him making any signings. The two players he brought in and swore by were huge failures. His tactics and mentality are not suited for the Premier League.

Excellent post, most of my fears are covered, he just hasn't endeared himself to the fans, nor the Hierarchy, a mutual split might be beneficial to all parties, life at Chelsea eh

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18 minutes ago, Bramskii said:

We are in trouble if Sarri remains with the club beyond this season. I don't care that they finished 3rd. If that's your only reasoning as to why he should stay, then you must not have watched the full season. The competition around us was dreadful. The fact that they finished 3rd after only winning 7 of their final 16 league matches proves how bad the rest of the teams were. This was also one of the lowest goal scoring seasons the club has had since Abramovich bought the team. His refusal to adapt and make necessary changes hurt this team. He kept going back to a losing formula despite the bad results, and it wasn't until he was under pressure by the fans and the press that he finally gave in, and by no coincidence they started playing better football. If our transfer ban gets delayed, I do not trust him making any signings. The two players he brought in and swore by were huge failures. His tactics and mentality are not suited for the Premier League.

 

1 minute ago, Ballack & Blu said:

Excellent post, most of my fears are covered, he just hasn't endeared himself to the fans, nor the Hierarchy, a mutual split might be beneficial to all parties, life at Chelsea eh

My hope remains the ban stays in place and so does Sarri. He has said in the past that the transfer market is the refuge of the weak. I would like to see what he does with our squad for another season. If it goes wrong then his contract will be up and it would be a very rare thing for a Chelsea manager to see out his contract. That on its own would be something special.

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