No way would Rodgers leave Leicester for us if they made top 4 and we didn't. 

@coco Are you able to add a Poll to this thread to see how many people are Lampard in and Lampard Out?

Just now, Imran_CFC said:

@coco Are you able to add a Poll to this thread to see how many people are Lampard in and Lampard Out?

Maybe not this thread because hopefully it will be here for many years.

You could start a poll thread though.

5 hours ago, Hensi said:

First, I would like to begin with an apology towards the entire forum that I might have come a bit "plastic" or any way you put it my recent comments regarding Frank and his sacking. Most of those times it was frustration speaking and I was not thinking clearly so it might have sounded offensive, rude even. So, when the frustration is over, I decided to step in with the apology and I just came across your comment which I think is the perfect for my needs. 

Now, I will be speaking for myself here and I think most of the other guys who are pro on releasing Frank are on the same boat. I have been a supporter of the club for more than 20 years now. The first game I saw was against Barca in the 99/00 UCL and I immediately fell in love with the club when we had Zola, Flo, Gronkjaer, Desailly, etc. I was never keen on giving the boot to the managers after a poor string of results and this dates back to Claudio in the first season with Roman. Then we move on to Mou, Carlo and Antonio. Carlo's sacking hurt especially as I still think that if he was backed after his second season, he would have taken us to the next level.

Anyway, enough with the pep talk. Ever since Frank has been appointed, I wanted him to succeed, very badly. I still do because becoming a force to be reckoned with and having Frank at the wheel will be a fairy tail we are all dreaming of. However, there are a lot of reasons why most of the fans here are calling for some change. In the current string of results, we are seeing the same sloppy play, no drive, no rush, no creativity, still the same players are being selected despite them failing Frank game after game. We did not see any willingness from his end to adapt to the current situation and mix it up a little bit. Whether its a change of tactics, formation even playing the bloody kids in a PL games without having any of the seniors from the squad just to show them that no one is bigger than the club. No, we got the same old selection and boring play which makes me think that either Frank is out of his depth of he does not have what it takes to fix this, at least not yet.

Even in the cup games against lower sides we were looking sloppy and lazy and just the lack of quality with those teams did not cause any headaches. If Frank shows some versatility in our next game by adjusting something in the way we play or just come up with something unexpected, I am sure the fans will be behind him again and will be eager to see him complete his contract.

This is just me and I hope I was able to make a valid point and did not sound ridiculous. 

The reality is that Frank over achieved last season and only lost out on 3^rd place due to goal difference. Most pundits were predicting we would be lucky to finish in the top 10 so Frank deserves real praise.

It might sound counterintuitive but for me it was obvious that this season was going to be tricky due to the signings. Frank needs time and so do the players. Yes, it is frustrating, and things are not going well. But it is too early to push him out and next season was always what It was going to be about.

It’s great that Chelsea are on the TV so much but if you are listening to Sky or BT commentary (I’ll take Amazon any day or even the BBC) just forget it. They hype things up and create negative narratives when there is no need to. Coming up with meaningless stats to create stories when there is no story. I have to turn the volume off so just so I can think for myself. There is a negative hysteria at the moment regarding CFC and we all need to be patient.

It’s possible there are some divides on this forum. I started watching Chelsea in the early 80s and probably watched them more when they were poor than when they were good. I find that with longer standing fans or younger fans who are second or third generation fans there is a greater tolerance of the current situation. It’s not to say that these fans are not critical, they can be, it’s just that they appear less hysterical. Some of the more modern fans have a sense of ego which means that they personally feel slighted if Chelsea are not winning. It’s strange to explain, perhaps it’s what a plastic is but it feels more like a social media type of fan.

I am not suggesting for one moment that you are being hysterical but when you state that changes are needed for the next game etc. It’s obvious we won’t improve drastically overnight but I remain optimistic that things will get better, and we will clime back up the table. But I stand by what I believe, next season will need to be better and Frank knows and accepts this.

Our recent history has seen short-term decisions which to an extent have brought many trophies, but it would be good if a dynasty of some sort could be built. It took 10 years for the current Liverpool set up to reach its current dizzy heights, it took a couple of years to get it right at City. Go back in history to Fergie at Man Utd, he started poorly and using your approach should have been sacked. What a loss that would have been. We are rebuilding and the this set up needs time.

Yes, it’s a gamble being patient with Frank but that is what is needed. UTC.

Edited January 21, 20215 yr by The Swan

1 hour ago, dkw said:

Argue what? We shouldnt have bought anyone, oh no a team has an injury, no one else has injuries though right?

How the hell you talk about bias is beyond me. Your desperate to make out Liverpool have lost a full squad or something and anything that could have impacted on our season is insignificant anyway. 

Dicky, you are arguing with a FIFA2020/XBox troll who knows everything there is to know because he read it on an internet.  Flogging a dead horse mate.

45 minutes ago, coco said:

Are you having a laugh ? You go on about 'context',  you said we spent 200m, but forgot ignored the context of why we had to spend that much in one window because it didn't suit your narrative.

There you go Coco - I corrected your typo.  You're welcome.

 

(Oh, and my friends, notice the your and you're.  That is how each is used. You're all welcome)

2 minutes ago, Imran_CFC said:

@coco Are you able to add a Poll to this thread to see how many people are Lampard in and Lampard Out?

i'll get one going if you like..

7 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

No way would Rodgers leave Leicester for us if they made top 4 and we didn't. 

Nah. He would 100% jump ship. He would leave this week if we offered. He did the same at celtic. 

Hes not stupid. If he takes the job at chelsea, after what should be regarded as successful stints at leicester, celtic and liverpool, he will be cemented as a top tier manager. He could go to a sevilla or milan once us fans inevitably turn on him and he gets sacked in 2 years 😂

If leicester don't get top 4 and then they fall away, he could end up on the roundtable of managers who no one really trusts with the top job. 

 

1 minute ago, coco said:

i'll get one going if you like..

Just created one separately

Edited January 21, 20215 yr by Imran_CFC

10 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

No way would Rodgers leave Leicester for us if they made top 4 and we didn't. 

Kante did.

1 minute ago, Argo said:

Kante did.

Maybe it doesn't seem that way at first glance but the situation is a bit different right now. Leicester have established since then.

6 minutes ago, Imran_CFC said:

Just created one separately

i just took it down as i did the one in here, cheers anyway

A decent article about where Frank stands with the club. Who knows how accurate it is? It is longer than the quoted section.

 

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How safe is Frank Lampard's job? Who are Chelsea lining up to replace him? How soon before Lampard leaves?

 

Indications coming out of the club are that all this is premature. Nobody is guaranteed a job in perpetuity, but there are plenty of things Lampard has done well in his 18 months in charge, and the intent is to give him every chance to succeed. This basically means he'll stick around unless things deteriorate further, or Chelsea suddenly come to believe that a top-four finish is in serious peril and somebody else is capable of coming in right now to give them a better shot at next season's Champions League

https://www.espn.com/soccer/blog-marcottis-musings/story/4294009/chelseas-issues-go-beyond-lampards-management-why-they-arent-giving-up-on-him-yet

3 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

successful stints at leicester, celtic and liverpool,

Really?  won nothing in England other than a Championship play-off final, and (thank you wikipedia) was " the first Liverpool manager since the 1950s not to win a trophy after three seasons in charge".  Lost the league from 5 points clear with 3 to play ( huge thanks to Demba).  Managed to be a flat-track bully by going to Celtic the only team in the league at that time.

 

I don't really consider that to be the record of "successful stints" or that of a top manager.

1 minute ago, wizardous said:

Maybe it doesn't seem that way at first glance but the situation is a bit different right now. Leicester have established since then.

With all due respect to the way Leicester have grown in recent years we're still a much bigger club and can offer resources (funds and academy players) many clubs including they can only dream of.

For all this talk of us being a poisoned chalice for manager's i think the opposite, there's not many if any better jobs than Chelsea for a manager to build an era of succes in my opinion.

7 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Nah. He would 100% jump ship. He would leave this week if we offered. He did the same at celtic. 

Hes not stupid. If he takes the job at chelsea, after what should be regarded as successful stints at leicester, celtic and liverpool, he will be cemented as a top tier manager. He could go to a sevilla or milan once us fans inevitably turn on him and he gets sacked in 2 years 😂

If leicester don't get top 4 and then they fall away, he could end up on the roundtable of managers who no one really trusts with the top job. 

 

If frank is to go Rodgers would be my first pick but Leicester would be looking a big fee for him. He just signed a new contract last year and I think he would need convincing of the project. He seen what was coming at Celtic. 
 

 

2 minutes ago, Argo said:

With all due respect to the way Leicester have grown in recent years we're still a much bigger club and can offer resources (funds and academy players) many clubs including they can only dream of.

For all this talk of us being a poisoned chalice for manager's i think the opposite, there's not many if any better jobs than Chelsea for a manager to build an era of succes in my opinion.

Cant believe you just said that.

12 minutes ago, coco said:

Cant believe you just said that.

You get significant financial backing alongside the best academy in the world to build a squad from, yes ofcourse strong results are expected but that would be the case in any business where you get such strong backing like that.

And that's before we get to the fact that manager's hold no risk of reputation damage managing Chelsea as they get all of the credit and none of the blame (main case in point being Mou getting the United off after having us in a relegation battle).

Edited January 21, 20215 yr by Argo

I don't think firing Lamp will solve our problem. IMO the problem is quite simple. We have made big splash on Werner and Havertz yet like I said before, we don't really need them because there is no natural way to integrate them into the team. So they are more of rotational player rather than key player for us. On the other hand, it is similar to last year we desperately need one more dm to help kante. If we sign rice instead of Werner or Havertz, I am pretty sure we will look like a better team.

 

 

13 minutes ago, Argo said:

You get significant financial backing alongside the best academy in the world to build a squad from, yes ofcourse strong results are expected but that would be the case in any business where you get such strong backing like that.

And that's before we get to the fact that manager's hold no risk of reputation damage managing Chelsea as they get all of the credit and none of the blame (main case in point being Mou getting the United off after having us in a relegation battle).

We certainly have the resources and potential to build something glorious and lasting, but not the time.

12 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

I don't think firing Lamp will solve our problem. IMO the problem is quite simple. We have made big splash on Werner and Havertz yet like I said before, we don't really need them because there is no natural way to integrate them into the team. So they are more of rotational player rather than key player for us. On the other hand, it is similar to last year we desperately need one more dm to help kante. If we sign rice instead of Werner or Havertz, I am pretty sure we will look like a better team.

 

 

But we didn't, so Frank has to make it work, both Havertz and Werner are key to Franks future hear.

Back until the end of the season, unless relegation dooms, then evaluate.

This should be the default view of the whole forum.

If there is any long term planning going to exist in the club we simply must let Lampard finish the season.

If he goes down with the ship that's fine, at some point Sarri was looking to go down since his tactics didn't produce the results but by the end of the season it did work so Lampard must have his chance to get us where we want to be.

I find it a bit disturbing that before my vote there was a 50-50 going on between sack right now and until the end of the season evaluate. Nobody can guarantee that any other manager can get this squad going, in fact I can calmly say that this current squad isn't flexible enough to even get used to a new manager so late in the season! 

21 minutes ago, Argo said:

With all due respect to the way Leicester have grown in recent years we're still a much bigger club and can offer resources (funds and academy players) many clubs including they can only dream of.

For all this talk of us being a poisoned chalice for manager's i think the opposite, there's not many if any better jobs than Chelsea for a manager to build an era of succes in my opinion.

The second part of this post is something I can't agree with.

We literally sacked the manager who brought us our first Champions League when we were just four points off the top of the table.

 

2 hours ago, Brutos said:

I don’t see Frank being let go until we can’t get top 4 anymore so he’s here until at least the summer, and this includes whether performances improved but we still fail to get top 4. 

I think in my opinion the board is looking at this like a business (which we are) we invested £200 million what actual progress can you show us to warrant you to continue? If we miss too 4, last year we got top 4 this year we didn’t why is that? 
Why hasn’t the players we bought performed?
Telling us you played a few matches with nice football but missed the money pot doesn’t  help the bottom line. 
Biggest decision I personally think he now needs to make is, does he persist with possession based football or change to direct style. 
I get the feeling he will want to prove his methods work and persist with 4-3-3 possession based football. Fair play to him for not changing his principles. 

Hope he turns it around.

I hope he does too but he must have that date in mid Feb in the back of his mind. If Atletico turn up and play us off the park, even Frank may realise things are too difficult for him with his lack of experience. I don't want another Bayern result.

 

31 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Really?  won nothing in England other than a Championship play-off final, and (thank you wikipedia) was " the first Liverpool manager since the 1950s not to win a trophy after three seasons in charge".  Lost the league from 5 points clear with 3 to play ( huge thanks to Demba).  Managed to be a flat-track bully by going to Celtic the only team in the league at that time.

 

I don't really consider that to be the record of "successful stints" or that of a top manager.

I don't really disagree with you, but in my view he improve Liverpool whilst there. I credit/blame a manager for the whole season, I don't credit/blame Managers for one off games. I don't credit Sarri for winning the Europa league final and blame Lampard for losing the FA Cup final. So for me, I credit Rodgers for getting Liverpool to that position, a position they had never been at in the PL.  

For Leicester, success is not about winning trophies, they aren't Chelsea. It's why he will leave them for a big club when they come calling and why simply getting them to 5th last year and looking at the top 4 now is success for them. For Celtic he did what he was supposed to, their current manager is not. That is as much a successful stint as he could have.

I also don't think he's a "top manager". But he has the CV now that will get him one crack at a top job. Which is why he went to Celtic, then Leicester and why if we offer him the gig, he will come to us. 

13 minutes ago, coco said:

We certainly have the resources and potential to build something glorious and lasting, but not the time.

We say that, but Roman hasn't actually sacked Frank yet! He didn't sack Sarri despite 90% of the fan base demanding he go. He sacked Conte because he absolutely 100% was begging to get sacked and he sacked Jose because we were on the brink of relegation. 

We've actually given managers a lot of time in the last few years. If we were sitting in 4th-6th all year, I daresay Lampard would get another year.