I think Pulisic's struggles are due to our tactics, he seems to want him running in early to leave overlapping space for Chillwell. Our system right now congests the flanks too much, winger play doesn't matter much in our current system, it's just hold the ball up for our outside defenders to run forward and around them, then pass the ball to the outside back for the cross in and hope.

I think FL like Mount a lot but has no idea how to use him, and it's hurting the whole squad. The question that must be asked of Mount is if he were on United, City, or Liverpool where would he play? I think the only answer is deeper on the field - and to cut our pressing on everything, and do it only in a coordinated way, picking moments. If our wingers stay wider they have more space to work, our outside defenders don't have to overlap so far up the field so often, and we are countered less.

1 hour ago, KonaKai Blue said:

I hope so! I'll take him in a heartbeat. Proven German manager with German players and blank chequebook. Yes sir!

We’ve seen how dire Dortmund were under him towards the end of his tenure, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a repeat of history here.

Fantastic manager but I’m not sure he can sustain being successful. He couldn’t do it at Dortmund, can he do it now?

29 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

We’ve seen how dire Dortmund were under him towards the end of his tenure, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a repeat of history here.

Fantastic manager but I’m not sure he can sustain being successful. He couldn’t do it at Dortmund, can he do it now?

I honestly don't understand how you can big Frank up while being sceptical of Klopp after everything he's done at Dortmund and Liverpool. You can support Frank but take the blue blinkers off jesus... 

1 hour ago, dansubrosa said:

We’ve seen how dire Dortmund were under him towards the end of his tenure, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a repeat of history here.

Fantastic manager but I’m not sure he can sustain being successful. He couldn’t do it at Dortmund, can he do it now?

I am not sure you can be at the top with the same people for long time. Either you change the manager or change the player.

It happen pochettino, with Mourinho. Sir alex is unique but he has total control of that football club so it is whole another story. He can sign fire anyone he want. 

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

I am not sure you can be at the top with the same people for long time. Either you change the manager or change the player.

It happen pochettino, with Mourinho. Sir alex is unique but he has total control of that football club so it is whole another story. He can sign fire anyone he want. 

It happens but it is rare indeed, especially at top flight. You've still got Diego Simeone at Atletico and they're leading in La Liga at the moment. So he's still doing the job there. 

5 hours ago, chi blue said:

For all the Xbox brigade on here that want Frank out soon as, I suppose Klopp must be sacked as well, there run is as bad as ours not scored in how many games? I leave that there for you boys, while you sit on the edge of your bed in your Thomas the tank engine pyjamas playing FIFA 2020 something!

He (Klopp) is also doing worse compared to Sarri when you demanded his sacking. 

Edited January 22, 20215 yr by Argo

14 hours ago, coco said:

Are you having a laugh ? You go on about 'context',  you said we spent 200m, but forgot the context of why we had to spend that much in one window.

Atletico got a transfer ban once and they didnt buy half of their first team next season and cry about 'not enough time to gel'

when you make a big decision like this voluntarily, you need to take the responsibility when it doesnt go well  

3 hours ago, Slojo said:

It happens but it is rare indeed, especially at top flight. You've still got Diego Simeone at Atletico and they're leading in La Liga at the moment. So he's still doing the job there. 

show that given full power of the club, great managers can do a long term job in the same club

the problem is people and owners who arent football expertise love to get involved in football business and dont want to give the power to great managers these days

The issue Frank has is the that the performances have been completely awful since the start of December. We look stale and devoid of ideas. It’s not as if we’ve had unlucky defeats. Frank looks defeated as well. 
 

His other issue is that his main attacking players are not contributing. Havertz, Werner, Pulisic, Ziyech. I would even throw in Giroud and Tammy (harsh I know) into that as well. None of them are working together. 

3 hours ago, Argo said:

He (Klopp) is also doing worse compared to Sarri when you demanded his sacking. 

Indeed Sarri had to go, due the carbage  on the pitch, no point naming all the  sh*t games he managed over but City and Bournemouth away springs to mind, the debacle and embarrassment at Wembley, when his total lack of control over Kepa, and then like a 7 year old storming down the tunnel like a spoilt brat, the match going fans, the ones that spend their hard earned money supporting the club, showed their distain  for Sarri, if we get back to bridge before the Xbox brigade get their way and Frank is sacked the bridge will show their support for Frank

2 minutes ago, chi blue said:

Indeed Sarri had to go, due the carbage  on the pitch, no point naming all the  sh*t games he managed over but City and Bournemouth away springs to mind, the debacle and embarrassment at Wembley, when his total lack of control over Kepa, and then like a 7 year old storming down the tunnel like a spoilt brat, the match going fans, the ones that spend their hard earned money supporting the club, showed their distain  for Sarri, if we get back to bridge before the Xbox brigade get their way and Frank is sacked the bridge will show their support for Frank

Sarri is 10 times the manager Frank now, but you say the truth - match going fans will yell f**k Sarriball but wont say a bad thing against Lampard, while Lampard is given the fund to buy his players and playing worse football, imagine we have an average performing manager, we might already challenging the title, just like United under Ole, a really really bang average manager, but top of the table for some reason

 

17 minutes ago, chi blue said:

Indeed Sarri had to go, due the carbage  on the pitch, no point naming all the  sh*t games he managed over but City and Bournemouth away springs to mind, the debacle and embarrassment at Wembley, when his total lack of control over Kepa, and then like a 7 year old storming down the tunnel like a spoilt brat, the match going fans, the ones that spend their hard earned money supporting the club, showed their distain  for Sarri, if we get back to bridge before the Xbox brigade get their way and Frank is sacked the bridge will show their support for Frank

Because we're playing much better now? I would say the last month of performances have just been as bad as Sarri-ball at its worst. 

54 minutes ago, chi blue said:

Indeed Sarri had to go, due the carbage  on the pitch, no point naming all the  sh*t games he managed over but City and Bournemouth away springs to mind, the debacle and embarrassment at Wembley, when his total lack of control over Kepa, and then like a 7 year old storming down the tunnel like a spoilt brat, the match going fans, the ones that spend their hard earned money supporting the club, showed their distain  for Sarri, if we get back to bridge before the Xbox brigade get their way and Frank is sacked the bridge will show their support for Frank

But going by your logic that we have no entitlement to be top half, surely that also applies to being top 6 (which we were under Sarri all season long) or competing with one of the best teams at the peak of it's powers (which we actually done in the clashes either side of that 6-0)?

Then here below you were moaning about Sarri (while we were in 6th position with a game in hand) because you believed we were going to finish 6th and fail to win the Europa League, so if people criticising and wanting a change while In 8th and on a run of 3 wins in 10 are (according to you) being a spoilt brat and FIFA brigade amoung other pleasures then wouldn't that (at a minimum) also apply to criticising and wanting the manager out when we're 6th (with a game in hand at home to Brighton to take us 4th) and on a run of 6 wins in 10 as we were at the time of this post? (disclaimer: i don't think that just using your metrics)

That has an awful lot of similarity's to some of the comments you've been shamming lately. 

As much as I don't agree with Yorkley's stance atleast he's been consistent with it through every manager, you're criticising and name calling people for doing exactly what you were doing and more this time two years ago. Oh and have I forgot to mention our current team are much stronger than that one? even factoring Hazard.

Now I've got nothing but respect and admiration for your dedication to the club down the years and while sourcing out that post I really enjoyed reading some of your nostalgia postings about the club, but I'm sorry your double standards on this are absolutely shocking!

Edited January 22, 20215 yr by Argo

5 hours ago, Slojo said:

It happens but it is rare indeed, especially at top flight. You've still got Diego Simeone at Atletico and they're leading in La Liga at the moment. So he's still doing the job there. 

The players has changed though. Griezman, godin, costa are gone

 

55 minutes ago, JM7 said:

The issue Frank has is the that the performances have been completely awful since the start of December. We look stale and devoid of ideas. It’s not as if we’ve had unlucky defeats. Frank looks defeated as well. 
 

His other issue is that his main attacking players are not contributing. Havertz, Werner, Pulisic, Ziyech. I would even throw in Giroud and Tammy (harsh I know) into that as well. None of them are working together. 

We have been beaten by good/decent team

Everton, Arsenal, city, Leicester. 

This has been the story this season. 

1 hour ago, chi blue said:

Indeed Sarri had to go, due the carbage  on the pitch, no point naming all the  sh*t games he managed over but City and Bournemouth away springs to mind, the debacle and embarrassment at Wembley, when his total lack of control over Kepa, and then like a 7 year old storming down the tunnel like a spoilt brat, the match going fans, the ones that spend their hard earned money supporting the club, showed their distain  for Sarri, if we get back to bridge before the Xbox brigade get their way and Frank is sacked the bridge will show their support for Frank

Name another game.

A lot of people are mentioning the 200m spent when assessing Frank’s tenure.

But how much influence does he have or any manager for that fact on who the club decides to purchase?

is it not more of a case these days that the manager identifies a position that he feels needs strengthening and then the hierarchy buy a player that THEY feel fits the Bill.

Hence Miss Granovskaia’s powerful influence at the club.

7 minutes ago, Osgoodwasgood said:

A lot of people are mentioning the 200m spent when assessing Frank’s tenure.

But how much influence does he have or any manager for that fact on who the club decides to purchase?

is it not more of a case these days that the manager identifies a position that he feels needs strengthening and then the hierarchy buy a player that THEY feel fits the Bill.

Hence Miss Granovskaia’s powerful influence at the club.

It was widely reported that Lampard and Cech travelled to Germany to meet Werner and set out the vision. I assume he was as involved in all the other signings. 

But I agree with your point that the club signs players. The manager shouldn't have a big influence because chances are he will be gone in a year or two. 

However that doesn't mean we didn't sign 200m worth of talent that teams of scouts, Cech, and Lampard all collectively felt would improve the team. We aren't a mid table squad. 

10 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Name another game.

Google Sarri`s problems, got these:

 

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And they have now failed to score a goal in THREE successive away games for the first time since 2002 when Claudio Ranieri was in charge.

It is also the first time Chelsea have lost three away matches in a row without scoring in all competitions for the first time since 1991 

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The Manchester United defeat saw the 20th time this season that Ross Barkley and Mateo Kovacic have interchanged in a substitution.

Since the 3-1 defeat to Tottenham in November, Sarri has only made four changes in the league that have not been like-for-like.

 

We were dreadful in many many matches that season.

13 hours ago, coco said:

a man with many faces.

Boy.  I doubt it was much over 14 years old.

13 hours ago, LongtimerLurker said:

With Kante back I expect to see Frank utilise 4231 more. I haven't voted because I prefer to see what the majority think without my input. I think being a new member on here may mean I lack credibility on here but I'd like to think I'm one of the voices of reason.

Seems simple to me, the football is bad now no question but Frank has us in the last 16 of the ucl I think we all expect to win the next 2 rounds of the fa cup and whilst the league position isn't great we are literally at the half way mark.

I think its fair to be conflicted and want better football, whilst also wanting Frank to succeed. For me Frank needs to do what he did last season and show us he is flexible, one of the reasons we heralded him was because he showed tactically he could adapt to the opposition 433, 4231, 343 (3421). With more players he should have more flexibility yet he has been more rigid this season. I believe Frank has the tools to get us out of this slump and so I'm actually in the let him stay camp for now....assuming he shows us he can adapt to his players not just force them to play one way.

I'm in agreement with a lot of that.  As for the boldened part, no-one lacks credibility just because they are new.  A lot of new posters have hugely valuable input.  The ones that lack credibility are the ones who just post pish.  And that applies to some very long-standing members as well.  Welcome in from the dark areas of lurkage.

1 hour ago, Slojo said:

Because we're playing much better now? I would say the last month of performances have just been as bad as Sarri-ball at its worst. 

See, that's just cherry-picking, take the last month because it suits your narrative, not any other random month when the performances were much better.

14 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

See, that's just cherry-picking, take the last month because it suits your narrative, not any other random month when the performances were much better.

But we were only poor under Sarri during that period, we soon picked things up afterwards. 

Not a big fan of Sarri by the way, when he walked I couldn't have gave a f**k myself. But we've been playing just as bad if not worse than we were during our dark period of Sarri ball around December. 

9 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

It was widely reported that Lampard and Cech travelled to Germany to meet Werner and set out the vision. I assume he was as involved in all the other signings. 

But I agree with your point that the club signs players. The manager shouldn't have a big influence because chances are he will be gone in a year or two. 

However that doesn't mean we didn't sign 200m worth of talent that teams of scouts, Cech, and Lampard all collectively felt would improve the team. We aren't a mid table squad. 

I don't want it to seem that im obsessed with Defending Frank, but if I feel its valid I will fight his corner.

Every manager that comes in is expected to work with whats on the table, Frank has his own Blueprint for how he wants his side to play.

Apart from Silva and Chilwell, all the other players in the defensive third of the pitch(in my opinion a vital catalyst for his Blueprint) were already at the club.

I appreciate that when he arrived and given that we were under the transfer ban, there were several areas that the club felt needed strengthening and accordingly splashed 200m.

I don't mean to sound ungrateful, but I don't feel that the 200m they spent has addressed all of the deficiancies, 90m on Havertz, 50m on Chilwell is a large chunk of that outlay, would it not be a sensible idea to perhaps further invest on the areas where we are particularly weak, CDM and CD before dispensing with his services and not fully knowing whether his blueprint would have worked.

9 minutes ago, Slojo said:

But we were only poor under Sarri during that period, we soon picked things up afterwards. 

Not a big fan of Sarri by the way, when he walked I couldn't have gave a f**k myself. But we've been playing just as bad if not worse than we were during our dark period of Sarri ball around December. 

And we are only having a slump at the moment, what is to say that we won't soon pick up again now?

25 minutes ago, Osgoodwasgood said:

I don't want it to seem that im obsessed with Defending Frank, but if I feel its valid I will fight his corner.

Every manager that comes in is expected to work with whats on the table, Frank has his own Blueprint for how he wants his side to play.

Apart from Silva and Chilwell, all the other players in the defensive third of the pitch(in my opinion a vital catalyst for his Blueprint) were already at the club.

I appreciate that when he arrived and given that we were under the transfer ban, there were several areas that the club felt needed strengthening and accordingly splashed 200m.

I don't mean to sound ungrateful, but I don't feel that the 200m they spent has addressed all of the deficiancies, 90m on Havertz, 50m on Chilwell is a large chunk of that outlay, would it not be a sensible idea to perhaps further invest on the areas where we are particularly weak, CDM and CD before dispensing with his services and not fully knowing whether his blueprint would have worked.

Okay. But can you explain how frank repeatedly, and I mean almost every game, said the reason we werent winning more games is because we weren't clinical enough in the final 3rd. 

Frank wanted these players.

51 minutes ago, dkw said:

Google Sarri`s problems, got these:

 

 

We were dreadful in many many matches that season.

I asked for one more match than man city and bournemouth. 

You showed me a quote about us losing to Bournemouth (lol) as well as arsenal away and the first leg of a carabao cup semi final that we then went on to win!! It's hardly end of days 

And do I really give a sh*t about substitutions? No. I really don't know why people care so much about who is subbed. 

We had 2 bad losses. Outside of that our performances were as they should be for a team transitioning to a new style and our results were fantastic. 2 cup finals, barely dropped any points against the bottom half of table, competitive in every game against the top 6 bar the one Man City game. He brought RLC and CHO in to the first team. 

If Sarri hadn't been such a weirdo prick then we'd all have his name tattooed on our chest.