11 minutes ago, JM7 said:

I can’t see why Lampard doesn’t get us playing more compact to help us defensively.

He's just not that kind of manager. You wouldn't see Guardiola and Klopp do it and i don't think we'll see Lampard do it for any extended period of time either.

He's trying to build something here, and to do it the way he thinks we should play. Similar to the way Klopp has done things at Liverpool. They didn't convince anyone to begin with either but are reaping the benefits of Klopp's persistance right now.

Just now, Sindre said:

He's just not that kind of manager. You wouldn't see Guardiola and Klopp do it and i don't think we'll see Lampard do it for any extended period of time either.

He's trying to build something here, and to do it the way he thinks we should play. Similar to the way Klopp has done things at Liverpool. They didn't convince anyone to begin with either but are reaping the benefits of Klopp's persistance right now.

Yeah good point. Klopp and Pep wouldn’t change their style. However Lampard has talked a lot about being adaptable and changing tactics so in theory has talked about it. 

He's just not that kind of manager. You wouldn't see Guardiola and Klopp do it and i don't think we'll see Lampard do it for any extended period of time either.
He's trying to build something here, and to do it the way he thinks we should play. Similar to the way Klopp has done things at Liverpool. They didn't convince anyone to begin with either but are reaping the benefits of Klopp's persistance right now.

Shades of Villas Boas....

Also Klopp doesn't leave massive holes in his team for counter attack..

He's just not that kind of manager. You wouldn't see Guardiola and Klopp do it and i don't think we'll see Lampard do it for any extended period of time either.
He's trying to build something here, and to do it the way he thinks we should play. Similar to the way Klopp has done things at Liverpool. They didn't convince anyone to begin with either but are reaping the benefits of Klopp's persistance right now.

Shades of Villas Boas....

Also Klopp doesn't leave massive holes in his team for counter attack..

9 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Yeah good point. Klopp and Pep wouldn’t change their style. However Lampard has talked a lot about being adaptable and changing tactics so in theory has talked about it. 

There's changing tactics then there's throwing away the process (like Mou did when he returned), Lampard will never do the latter.

Southampton changed it up but didnt win in the next 4 games after the 9-0 loss. Plus in that 9-0 loss Southampton got a 12th minute red card and those sort of games happen every now and then. I dont think anyone can comment apart from Southampton fans whether the Southampton manager really changed things up like formation, players and tactics. 
Regarding Lampard I do agree there are certain things he could do but I also think his options are limited. The squad has old average players set in there ways and injuries. I have said this a few times now but I would have played a back 3 last night and brought Tomori on the left side. Played Alonso and James because we all know Pedro, Willian and Batman would not offer alot. I've seen Ole change it from a back 4 to a back 5 quite a few times this season. I would take our back 5 and midfield over Utd's and it would have made us more secure at the back, just my opinion though. 

The point is the manager realise that couldn't continue and made a change of he didn't he would of been sacked by now

4 minutes ago, Brutos said:

Shades of Villas Boas....

Also Klopp doesn't leave massive holes in his team for counter attack..

As recently as the season before last he still had massive question marks about him. He was the butt of people's jokes after the 1-4 loss at Wembley to Spurs.

Just now, Brutos said:

Shades of Villas Boas....

Also Klopp doesn't leave massive holes in his team for counter attack..

You could go back and watch Klopp's first couple of years at Liverpool and you'll find a lot of similiarities to our current situation.
As a matter of fact it was a couple of top class players that turned things around for him at Liverpool when it comes to the defence. That's what we need to go out and do in the summer too.

2 minutes ago, Brutos said:

The point is the manager realise that couldn't continue and made a change of he didn't he would of been sacked by now

What change though? Could be a run of fixtures, change in attitude by the players. I'm just interested what the change was.

9 minutes ago, Sindre said:

You could go back and watch Klopp's first couple of years at Liverpool and you'll find a lot of similiarities to our current situation.
As a matter of fact it was a couple of top class players that turned things around for him at Liverpool when it comes to the defence. That's what we need to go out and do in the summer too.

Yeah that's why I'm still firmly behind Lamps.

There's been some naivety (which I was expecting) but there's also been some very good signs of a potential top coach there.

However there has to be season by season progression, next season minimum requirement will be less of the naivety and more of the promise.

6 minutes ago, Argo said:

Yeah that's why I'm still firmly behind Lamps.

There's been some naivety (which I was expecting) but there's also been some very good signs of a potential top coach there.

However there has to be season by season progression, next season minimum requirement will be less of the naivety and more of the promise.

I agree. But if Lampard is supported in the market i think it's almost a given that we'll look better next season.

Just a good goalkeeper would make a world of difference for me. I'd estimate we have lost at least ten to fifteen points this season due to Kepa grossly underperforming.
But the good news is that the issue can be adressed in a few months so let's all hope it does get adressed.

And that's just one example. A few other key additions and i believe we will look so, so much better.

 

I don't see how Lampard can pick Batshuayi over Giroud going forward. Giroud should be behind Tammy since we were unable to get a striker during the January window. I've always liked Bats, but he just doesn't offer enough to be a 2nd striker at a club like Chelsea IMO. In that sense, I think Lampard is at fault for not picking the correct squad. I know that injuries do not help and we have a lot of injuries currently. Need to fight through this period and not drop too many points so that when Callum, Pulisic, RLC etc get healthy we can continue to progress and qualify for CL

I actually think we need a number of players, I think if we want to compete for the league then the young players will probably be just squad fillers. I know this will upset a lot here who view our youngsters through blue tinted lenses yet that's the way I see it.

We have very few top players now, we have a number showing potential yet none looking world class in their positions. Look at what he have had in the past with Ray Wilkins and Jimmy Greaves

Under FFP I cannot see us strengthening anywhere near what we need to so it will probably be a patch- up job. 

I think a decent keeper, left back, box to box midfielder and striker as a minimum.

ideally I would also want a new right back, second striker and a top class centre back.

I'm still unsure if Frank can be a top manager, I'm not doubting that he has a massive task here with the transfer ban it is more some of the strange decision he had made with dropping Kovacic when he was playing really well and persisting with Bats when he is so poor.

Lots of talk of tactics, Frank should do this,  he didn't do that, etc, but the truth is, last night, we had Tammy,  pulisic, CHO, RLC out, and Kante went off in first half, Christiansen at half time, we got  two strikers that at best are mid to lower reaches of the premier League standard, two keepers that are championship level, a left back that is right footed, our best player who left in summer, and last night a ref and VAR system that seemed corrupt. We'll be fine in the long run

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/02/18/frank-lampard-will-come-serious-scrutiny-should-chelsea-fail/

Funny that questions are perhaps being asked straight after Lamps expressed his dissatisfaction with a lack of signings and stopped playing their latest expensive f**kup signing. 

Burt and Law from the Telegraph usually have their fingers on the pulse and were the key channel when the club started to brief against Conte to the media after he made similar complaints. Sometimes you've got to shake your head at the way we are run.

56 minutes ago, Strider6003 said:

I actually think we need a number of players, I think if we want to compete for the league then the young players will probably be just squad fillers. I know this will upset a lot here who view our youngsters through blue tinted lenses yet that's the way I see it.

We have very few top players now, we have a number showing potential yet none looking world class in their positions. Look at what he have had in the past with Ray Wilkins and Jimmy Greaves

Under FFP I cannot see us strengthening anywhere near what we need to so it will probably be a patch- up job. 

I think a decent keeper, left back, box to box midfielder and striker as a minimum.

ideally I would also want a new right back, second striker and a top class centre back.

I'm still unsure if Frank can be a top manager, I'm not doubting that he has a massive task here with the transfer ban it is more some of the strange decision he had made with dropping Kovacic when he was playing really well and persisting with Bats when he is so poor.

Agree with all your post 100%

One thing I have noticed is that we don’t seem to be pressing much. We’ve completely stopped it which makes it easy for teams to run through and pass it around. 

7 minutes ago, JM7 said:

One thing I have noticed is that we don’t seem to be pressing much. We’ve completely stopped it which makes it easy for teams to run through and pass it around. 

I think we seem to naturally retreat from the high press second half of the season. It takes a big squad to have the fitness levels to do it well. Sarri, Conte and Jose all sat a little deeper after Christmas. 

I think its better to not press than press halfheartedly that is where gaps open up. I do think that dropping the high press will be better for RLC and Giroud too.

Lets see if Frank can adjust. Not forgettinf that Klopp finished 8th in his first season without a transfer ban. For me Frank has done wonders with the youngsters he just needs to show that we can improve under his approach.

Wow I just watched Atletico Liverpool. Simeone is just such an inspiration and it’s so great to see a team take on and beat Liverpool with none of that fear that all the premier league teams seem have of them. We could really do with that fire, agitation and belief at times, not to mention defensive organisation. No doubt this will be construed as a calling for Lampard’s head comment. It really is nothing of the sort. Just didn’t know where else on the forum to put it tbh.

10 minutes ago, Dean said:

Wow I just watched Atletico Liverpool. Simeone is just such an inspiration and it’s so great to see a team take on and beat Liverpool with none of that fear that all the premier league teams seem have of them. We could really do with that fire, agitation and belief at times, not to mention defensive organisation. No doubt this will be construed as a calling for Lampard’s head comment. It really is nothing of the sort. Just didn’t know where else on the forum to put it tbh.

Good win tonight, but you'd have to be a world class football masochist to want us to emulate Atletico ... they have just 25 goals scored in 24 games in La Liga this seaason ... and not all Morata's fault either LOL

10 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Good win tonight, but you'd have to be a world class football masochist to want us to emulate Atletico ... they have just 25 goals scored in 24 games in La Liga this seaason ... and not all Morata's fault either LOL

Haha! As I maybe didn’t make explicit - it wasn’t a football-related comment at all :). I wouldn’t want Simeone’s brand of football either. Was really about the motivation, getting the crowd going etc. Could use a bit of that at times without compromising our playing style.

Edited February 18, 20206 yr by Dean

Yeah I always enjoyed watching Madrid, but yeah would hate to be watching that week in, week out. We had it with Mourinho.

Now, which makes a better team? Peak Mourinho team or peak Simeone?

4 hours ago, Brutos said:

Shades of Villas Boas....

Also Klopp doesn't leave massive holes in his team for counter attack..

Bang on! 8yrs and 5 or so clubs later he is doing a fine job with Marseille in Ligue 1. As for comparisons with Klopp/Pep, I am not really sure I buy it. Liverpool in recent games have become jammy and are now a long ball team. 
Personally I feel the job is way to early in his career, and he might still turn up to be a fine manager in 3-5 seasons. It might help if he brings an older head on board to help as a sounding board. You look at Utd, and they have become more solid and playing to their strengths since Phelan came onboard.

2 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

Yeah I always enjoyed watching Madrid, but yeah would hate to be watching that week in, week out. We had it with Mourinho.

Now, which makes a better team? Peak Mourinho team or peak Simeone?

It's enjoyable to watch for a backs to the wall big game but against teams that sit back it is an absolute eyesore.

Also his record with attacking transfers is genuinely horrendous.

1)  Lamps has had one hand tied behind his back since day one.. for us to still be 4th with the squad we have is a lil bit of a miracle tbh. Consider how many of our starting 11 will start in other top 6 clubs.... Maybe Kante in utd, Spurs, Leicester, Jorgi, Rudi in a couple but cant think of any other player being a sureshot. This is not Frank messing up -its the lack of quality we have that is telling right now. Our squad is made of "Squad Players" essentially.

2) Lamps vs Klopp - the one thing that Klopp has had from day one is financial backing at pool. He joined in oct - signed Mane and Gigi W in 7 months. Salah and Chamberlain next year.. VVD , Keita, Fabinho, Allison next... which is close to 400 mil in 3 windows,