5 minutes ago, El regreso said:

He wanted to leave we can all agree on the obvious but he’s still here, no one know if he’s cares or not both Potter and Tuchel keeps playing him so obviously they are seeing something in training we aren’t and I will trust the managers who see the players daily in training judgment here until they give me a reason not to.

I realise across all clubs fans a player gets singled out and then there is a pile on. 

Every season there's always someone who puts unearned faith on certain players and be left with egg on their faces.

More power to you but Ziyech's problems is a case of old habits die hard

1 hour ago, El regreso said:

He wanted to leave we can all agree on the obvious but he’s still here, no one know if he’s cares or not both Potter and Tuchel keeps playing him so obviously they are seeing something in training we aren’t and I will trust the managers who see the players daily in training judgment here until they give me a reason not to.

I realise across all clubs fans a player gets singled out and then there is a pile on. 

He's being singled out. If his name was Ziyechshire he wouldn't be, similar to Pulisic being American and getting most of the blame whilst Mount can have 5 games of anonymity & not a word is said

5 minutes ago, Evenflow20 said:

whilst Mount can have 5 games of anonymity & not a word is said

What cave have you been hiding in? Mount has had nothing but criticism this season.

13 minutes ago, Evenflow20 said:

He's being singled out. If his name was Ziyechshire he wouldn't be, similar to Pulisic being American and getting most of the blame whilst Mount can have 5 games of anonymity & not a word is said

If he is being singled out he also has Azpi, Mendy, Jorgi, Havertz, Pulisic, Jorgi, RLC for company even if you think Mount has not been criticized enough. Hardly being singled out then?

If you saw his performances in the two UCL matches you would understand.. no one is expecting to dribble past 10 and score but any professional footballer should be able to -

 - avoid the first man on corners

- not hit the wall in two consecutive free kicks

- not miss from 10 yards out

- be able to pass 10 yards without under hitting or over hitting passes.

Don't like booing our own players, never have done, however those fans have paid their money to go to the game and are free to express their opinion.

That said Ziyech and Pulisic are pointless options to throw on, it never works.

3 hours ago, Zeta said:

What cave have you been hiding in? Mount has had nothing but criticism this season.

Where has anyone said he needs to be moved on, or not good enough for CFC? Unlike the majority of other (Ziyech, Pulisic, CHO, Werner, even Mendy for Christ's sake)

Mount has done enough over the last few years that he gets a decent amount of leeway, yet he's still been criticised a lot for his performances this season.

Players like Ziyech, Pulisic, etc... have done very little, besides about 1-2 months of decent form.

6 hours ago, Zeta said:

Mount has done enough over the last few years that he gets a decent amount of leeway, yet he's still been criticised a lot for his performances this season.

Players like Ziyech, Pulisic, etc... have done very little, besides about 1-2 months of decent form.

They were bought for their commercial revenue making abilities in the US and Morocco, do keep up...lol

It’s not about whether he’s good or bad, the Bridge does allow players to be bad as long as they give their all, e.g. Werner. What the fans don’t like is the attitude. Ziyech should have never made the bench, let alone wear the Chelsea badge, after a performance like that in Zagreb with such an “I don’t give a f**k” attitude. He can f**k off back to cleaning solution fc for free as far as I care after these two last performances.

54 minutes ago, RMH said:

It’s not about whether he’s good or bad, the Bridge does allow players to be bad as long as they give their all, e.g. Werner. What the fans don’t like is the attitude. Ziyech should have never made the bench, let alone wear the Chelsea badge, after a performance like that in Zagreb with such an “I don’t give a f**k” attitude. He can f**k off back to cleaning solution fc for free as far as I care after these two last performances.

Must be the massive wages we shifted, cause I don't understand why else we granted Werners request to leave for less than 20mill but yet insisted on keeping Pulisic and Ziyech, who wanted out just as, of not more, badly.

12 hours ago, Evenflow20 said:

He's being singled out. If his name was Ziyechshire he wouldn't be, similar to Pulisic being American and getting most of the blame whilst Mount can have 5 games of anonymity & not a word is said

They're all extremely average. Agree with you about certain players being immune to criticism though

1 hour ago, RMH said:

It’s not about whether he’s good or bad, the Bridge does allow players to be bad as long as they give their all, e.g. Werner. What the fans don’t like is the attitude. Ziyech should have never made the bench, let alone wear the Chelsea badge, after a performance like that in Zagreb with such an “I don’t give a f**k” attitude. He can f**k off back to cleaning solution fc for free as far as I care after these two last performances.

Ziyechs done more in his 20 minutes substitute appearances than Mount and Havertz together have done as starters in all the games. Same energy against them please.

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

They were bought for their commercial revenue making abilities in the US and Morocco, do keep up...lol

Commercial revenue from Morocco? 🤦‍♂️ They all wear fake shirts there. Not making a dollar in Morocco with Ziyech. 

1 minute ago, Vialli96 said:

Commercial revenue from Morocco? 🤦‍♂️ They all wear fake shirts there. Not making a dollar in Morocco with Ziyech. 

Is part of a long line of jokes about Pulisic and shirt sales mate 😉

8 hours ago, Zeta said:

Mount has done enough over the last few years that he gets a decent amount of leeway, yet he's still been criticised a lot for his performances this season.

Players like Ziyech, Pulisic, etc... have done very little, besides about 1-2 months of decent form.

Mounts done fck all for over a year now. He doesnt look interested in the least, looks like hes lost his passion. Been playing like Dele Ali 2.0. Anyone can see that. 

12 hours ago, Jangz said:

If he is being singled out he also has Azpi, Mendy, Jorgi, Havertz, Pulisic, Jorgi, RLC for company even if you think Mount has not been criticized enough. Hardly being singled out then?

If you saw his performances in the two UCL matches you would understand.. no one is expecting to dribble past 10 and score but any professional footballer should be able to -

 - avoid the first man on corners

- not hit the wall in two consecutive free kicks

- not miss from 10 yards out

- be able to pass 10 yards without under hitting or over hitting passes.

Pretty sure it was Mount in the first 5 games who couldnt beat the first man on about 30 corners.

Pretty sure its Mount who has been ghosting the whole 90 mins in every single game this season.

Pretty sure Havertz has been giving the ball away almost every time he gets the ball..Ive been counting. 

These guys get a free pass….but Ziyech and Pulisic who mainly come on in the last 20 mins when Chelsea are down and play out of position need to leave the club? 🤦‍♂️ 

10 hours ago, Vialli96 said:

Mounts done fck all for over a year now. He doesnt look interested in the least, looks like hes lost his passion. Been playing like Dele Ali 2.0. Anyone can see that. 

What a complete load of horse sh*t.

23 hours ago, Evenflow20 said:

He's being singled out. If his name was Ziyechshire he wouldn't be, similar to Pulisic being American and getting most of the blame whilst Mount can have 5 games of anonymity & not a word is said

If Pulisic wasn't American he'd have never played in the Premier league in the first place.

Ziyech isn't good enough but one thing has to be said, he gets into good positions and into chances. I can only imagine how good he would have been in a 4-3-3 for us, there is a good player in there despite his shortcomings here and he's one of the rare players that still dares to try and take on players and put the ball in from anywhere.

On 16/09/2022 at 06:01, Vialli96 said:

Pretty sure it was Mount in the first 5 games who couldnt beat the first man on about 30 corners.

Pretty sure its Mount who has been ghosting the whole 90 mins in every single game this season.

Pretty sure Havertz has been giving the ball away almost every time he gets the ball..Ive been counting. 

These guys get a free pass….but Ziyech and Pulisic who mainly come on in the last 20 mins when Chelsea are down and play out of position need to leave the club? 🤦‍♂️ 

 In all EPL  - RJ has taken 13 corners, CC has taken 13, Mount has taken 12 - so firstly mount has not been the first choice and rightly so.

Match 1 - Everton : we had 16 corners, RJ took 13 & mount took 0 ; Match 2 - Spurs : we had 8 corners Mount took 4 & CC 4; Match 3 : Mount took all 6 against leeds; Match 4 : Leicester CC took all 3; Match 5 : Ziyech took 2 & mount took 2; Match 6 : West Ham - Gallagher took 5 and CC took 5

 

Its not about Mount vs Ziyech; but the fact that Ziyech has served up disasterclass after disasterclass if given 90 mins i dont even know what it will look like.. his 45 mins against Zagreb were beyond belief

Go ahead and have a go at mount and Havertz - no one is stopping you they have been piss poor. But what ziyech has been serving up is championship level - that cant be defended

On 16/09/2022 at 01:23, Vialli96 said:

Mounts done fck all for over a year now. He doesnt look interested in the least, looks like hes lost his passion. Been playing like Dele Ali 2.0. Anyone can see that. 

He's not been good so far this season, but he got into double figures for goals and assists last season. So to say he has done f**k all for over a year now is complete rubbish. I don't think he was our best player last season, but he was still top 3. Silva, James then Mount.

On 16/09/2022 at 01:31, Vialli96 said:

Pretty sure it was Mount in the first 5 games who couldnt beat the first man on about 30 corners.

Mount hasn't been on corner kick duty much this season, it's James that has been on most of them.

On 16/09/2022 at 00:41, axman2526 said:

Must be the massive wages we shifted, cause I don't understand why else we granted Werners request to leave for less than 20mill but yet insisted on keeping Pulisic and Ziyech, who wanted out just as, of not more, badly.

I think it's more the point that everyone else can see their worth and are just not interested.  Nobody has doubted Werners work ethic and people will always take a punt in those situations in the hope that the form returns.

24 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

I think it's more the point that everyone else can see their worth and are just not interested.  Nobody has doubted Werners work ethic and people will always take a punt in those situations in the hope that the form returns.

This.

additionally if you look at the players we moved on both Lukaku and Werner went back to their previous clubs were they performed really well at. They were sold on the back of how they performed before coming to us.

Ziyech and Pulisic don't have anything to fall back on. Ziyech had only played in the Dutch league so other clubs in major leagues would rightly be skeptical oc him and Pulisic was shockingly bad in the Bundesliga and a complete flop there.

The only real interest for Ziyech was back at Ajax where he performed well at and they don't spend big fees or offer big wages so it didn't happen.

Dortmund are hardly going to want to take statstically the worst attacking player they've had in the last 15 years back, they already hustled us once.

They're just not sellable.  They're like Drinkwater or Bakayoko were but for some absurd reason we keep giving them minutes 

Edited September 18, 20223 yr by HazardousChoice

On 16/09/2022 at 01:18, Vialli96 said:

Ziyechs done more in his 20 minutes substitute appearances than Mount and Havertz together have done as starters in all the games. Same energy against them please.

just simply not true is it, please stop embarrassing yourself and just say you hate the English lads. 

On 20/09/2022 at 09:40, RIP Mourinho said:

just simply not true is it, please stop embarrassing yourself and just say you hate the English lads. 

Havertz isnt English is he🤦‍♂️.

James and Chilwell should be the first names on the team sheet as far as Im concerned. Their English arent they? Got nothing to do with what nationality. If youre not performing, youre not performing.  

Im calling out Mount and Havertz because in 9 games all they have is a goal between them, no assists. Have you even noticed the number of times Havertz and Mount have lost the ball this season, underhit overhit passes, shots off target, crosses Not beating the first man? Theres compilations out there now of this, its embarrassing. However, no one bats an eyelid.

Ziyech comes on in the last 20 minutes when Chelsea are down and the pressure is on, loses the ball and everyone goes nuts - worst Chelsea player, he should leave the club etc. Like where have you been for the last 70 minutes? 

Maybe you should stop hating on foreigners and judge players based on their performances.