I don't think anyone doubts his quality, though a couple of games in a so far weak world cup doesn't make a player a quality player. Most of us in here, or at least some, doubt his commitment and complain about his attitude.

He has a great left foot and if we ever switch to a 4-3-3 again he could wrap things up for us on that right hand side.

He won us like 9-12 points last season through his goals whilst the entire team player like sh*t. He isn't as poor as some make out but it is evident the team needs to be built around him for him to succeed. Until then, he will always be a moments player. I think considering our aspirations we shouldn't building a team around any single player. 

He's on two years, correct? We still should be looking to get around 30-40m for him. 

Our best football in the last 2 seasons were when Ziyech and James playing on the right, then we never got that combination back. With the 5 subs this season, we should and could have gambled a bit more with the attacking players, instead of being predictable. If the front 3 don't work out, sub 1 or 2 at HT, instead of 15 minutes to go and we expect Pullisic or Ziyech to do a rescue mission.

On 29/11/2022 at 22:03, icecoolguy22 said:

Our best football in the last 2 seasons were when Ziyech and James playing on the right, then we never got that combination back. With the 5 subs this season, we should and could have gambled a bit more with the attacking players, instead of being predictable. If the front 3 don't work out, sub 1 or 2 at HT, instead of 15 minutes to go and we expect Pullisic or Ziyech to do a rescue mission.

CHO and James down the same side was more impressive.

He's been absolutely sensational so far this World Cup. 

Has to be said. 

He just needs to put a shift in for us when he plays.

To be honest, he's not doing much different now than what he does for us. The difference is that the world cup isn't played at 100mph like it is in the Premier League. Ziyech is basically just a bad fit for Premier League football.

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

To be honest, he's not doing much different now than what he does for us. The difference is that the world cup isn't played at 100mph like it is in the Premier League. Ziyech is basically just a bad fit for Premier League football.

He's just a much better player in a 4-3-3 and with enough freedom given to him. Lampard knew he would fit in that system.

The World Cup probably does have a lower pace in comparison to the PL, even so I think that the majority of players in Qatar experience every match there with more intensity, most teams don't play together as much as every player spends time with his teammates in club football and that doesn't make things easier. Of course it's easier if you hold on to the same style for years but most teams don't get to have a spine like Spain has with Busquets and where new breakthrough talents like Pedri and Gavi can just fit right in.

I can't stand the guy, but even he is performing in Qatar.  Perhaps we should change the Cobham water supplier. 

Should fetch us quite a penny now. Been fantastic this WC. 

Hopefully AC Milan are still interested and we can do some kind of swap deal for Leao.

3 minutes ago, Luca Vialli said:

Hopefully AC Milan are still interested and we can do some kind of swap deal for Leao.

Won’t be too quick to get rid of him, there is a lack of RW in world football at present. Signing Leao just further complicates things as he is a LW, a position we already have Sterling. 

Forget about position and systems. Where is that work rate at Chelsea. This is who pays him. When you get a start show you care to stay in the team.

1 hour ago, ducavis said:

Won’t be too quick to get rid of him, there is a lack of RW in world football at present. Signing Leao just further complicates things as he is a LW, a position we already have Sterling. 

And he is the same problems. Moments of brilliance, the rest of the time does fck all

21 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

And he is the same problems. Moments of brilliance, the rest of the time does fck all

Plus he can't even get in the Portugal team LOL

He's a good player when he's on, and as people said it's difficult to find a similar type of player at RW, so I'd keep him until end of the season. If we play 4 at the back, Sterling\Ziyech\Pullisic will all prosper.

3 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

He's a good player when he's on, and as people said it's difficult to find a similar type of player at RW, so I'd keep him until end of the season. If we play 4 at the back, Sterling\Ziyech\Pullisic will all prosper.

Not sure I agree. No matter how good someone is if they aren't giving 100% then there is no point in keeping them. Personally, I think his performances at the World Cup are a good opportunity to get a good sale out of him in January.

On 17/11/2022 at 16:20, Mod said:

What is it with our club, they can’t hit a cows arse with a banjo, then pull something like this out for their country….

 

Some players need confidence from the coach to thrive. His national tram coach just praised how much he works for the team & sacrifices himself. 

 

He's been playing really well for his country at the world cup.

55 minutes ago, Evenflow20 said:

Some players need confidence from the coach to thrive. His national tram coach just praised how much he works for the team & sacrifices himself. 

 

He's been playing really well for his country at the world cup.

A bulk of manager’s job is man management. You let a player believe he is a god, and he will walk through walls for you. Peak Jose used to be the best at this. 

If we get offered £15m+ off the back of this WC we should bite their hands off for it. 

I'm always careful to separate club football and international football. Some players will always look really good on the international scene, then at club level aren't that good. Look at Batshuayi, for Belgium he looks pretty good, but we all know he was average as they come at club level. 

Thing is Ziyech is arguably one of the players of the tournament. Batshuayi has only ever looked 'good' for Belgium. 

6 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

If we get offered £15m+ off the back of this WC we should bite their hands off for it. 

We should try to break even if I am being honest. 

He's still a very effective player when utilized properly, as Ajax and Morocco have shown. Off the back of this world cup, his market value should rise. 

18 hours ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Not sure I agree. No matter how good someone is if they aren't giving 100% then there is no point in keeping them. Personally, I think his performances at the World Cup are a good opportunity to get a good sale out of him in January.

I am sure he knows this more than anyone.  This has been an interview for him throughout 

On 07/12/2022 at 05:47, icecoolguy22 said:

He's a good player when he's on, 

You can the same thing pretty much about all of our player. 

You put Ziyech where he can do his thing than he will shine. People forget for short stretch under Lampard, Ziyech was one of our best player.