9 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

You're making out he's a criminal. He was betting on Newcastle games while on loan in league one, its hardly the same as being a top tier criminal like you're making out. 

Genuinely shocked you're trying to compare someone sticking acca's on at a weekend to someone smashing class A drugs and others with genuine evidence of sexual assault. Actual criminal offences.

I too don't believe we need Toney as we're building for the future and i'd rather the games go to Jackson/Broja, but lets not pretend like Toney wouldn't improve us or that he's some criminal mastermind. 

Sorry, he is convicted of illegally gambling on football matches, rules that stop the game being brought into disrepute, that try to tackle match fixing and or tampering with the results of the sport. See Juve and now Barcelona for responses to tampering with results, the ongoing Barca case isn't even widely reported. they were paying referees to throw games. Tony was betting on results as a player in games he was playing in and some he wasn't, some were bets against the club he was paid to represent and play for, others were not. He was convicted under the laws of the FA... I didnt find him guilty of the offences he has committed, nor did I find him guilty. The football world has, At best he's an addict at worst a cheat. 

dont miss the point that two players accused of rape/ sexual assault were actually not charged by the police or found not guilty at retrial. Yet, when I floated the idea of Mason Greenwood at Chelsea people were very quick to say they didnt want him at the club because of the allegations that surrounded them despite them not being proven by any authority. Then also to our own CHO who faced similar allegations to Greenwood and  Evans but fans were ok with CHO remaining a CFC player.

So yeah, funny how one can be convicted/sentenced (8 months global ban from the game) and people dont think cheating or potential match fixing is problematic, see how cricket treats match betting and fixing, lifetime bans from the sport - while two men cleared of sexual assault or rape are found not guilty and blacklisted from the game by clubs and fans having not done anything wrong. 

Anyhow, this is boring, fans want us to sign a cheat, cool, I'll be less interested in what we do as a fan and certainly dont think we need a player as tainted as Toney on the books. 

 

Toney bet on games he was not playing in, so could not influence the outcome. The games he played in he bet on himself to score. No possibility to fix anything, but still contrary to FA rules. Hence guilty.

1 hour ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Sorry, he is convicted of illegally gambling on football matches, rules that stop the game being brought into disrepute, that try to tackle match fixing and or tampering with the results of the sport. See Juve and now Barcelona for responses to tampering with results, the ongoing Barca case isn't even widely reported. they were paying referees to throw games. Tony was betting on results as a player in games he was playing in and some he wasn't, some were bets against the club he was paid to represent and play for, others were not. He was convicted under the laws of the FA... I didnt find him guilty of the offences he has committed, nor did I find him guilty. The football world has, At best he's an addict at worst a cheat. 

dont miss the point that two players accused of rape/ sexual assault were actually not charged by the police or found not guilty at retrial. Yet, when I floated the idea of Mason Greenwood at Chelsea people were very quick to say they didnt want him at the club because of the allegations that surrounded them despite them not being proven by any authority. Then also to our own CHO who faced similar allegations to Greenwood and  Evans but fans were ok with CHO remaining a CFC player.

So yeah, funny how one can be convicted/sentenced (8 months global ban from the game) and people dont think cheating or potential match fixing is problematic, see how cricket treats match betting and fixing, lifetime bans from the sport - while two men cleared of sexual assault or rape are found not guilty and blacklisted from the game by clubs and fans having not done anything wrong. 

Anyhow, this is boring, fans want us to sign a cheat, cool, I'll be less interested in what we do as a fan and certainly dont think we need a player as tainted as Toney on the books. 

 

Same FA that convicted Terry of racism, guess we should've cancelled his contract and wiped all existence of his history with the club.

As previously said, he didn't bet on a single game to lose he was involved in. The games were either against his parent club when he was on loan elsewhere or he didn't feature. Only played in games he had bet on his team to win. What exactly was he fixing? That he might try harder to win to win his bet?

Evidence against Greenwood is substantial, you can go and listen to the recordings yourself. Comparing betting to sexual assault is a weird angle to take. 

On 05/10/2023 at 13:50, olderschoolcfc said:

Sorry, he is convicted of illegally gambling on football matches, rules that stop the game being brought into disrepute, that try to tackle match fixing and or tampering with the results of the sport. See Juve and now Barcelona for responses to tampering with results, the ongoing Barca case isn't even widely reported. they were paying referees to throw games. Tony was betting on results as a player in games he was playing in and some he wasn't, some were bets against the club he was paid to represent and play for, others were not. He was convicted under the laws of the FA... I didnt find him guilty of the offences he has committed, nor did I find him guilty. The football world has, At best he's an addict at worst a cheat. 

dont miss the point that two players accused of rape/ sexual assault were actually not charged by the police or found not guilty at retrial. Yet, when I floated the idea of Mason Greenwood at Chelsea people were very quick to say they didnt want him at the club because of the allegations that surrounded them despite them not being proven by any authority. Then also to our own CHO who faced similar allegations to Greenwood and  Evans but fans were ok with CHO remaining a CFC player.

So yeah, funny how one can be convicted/sentenced (8 months global ban from the game) and people dont think cheating or potential match fixing is problematic, see how cricket treats match betting and fixing, lifetime bans from the sport - while two men cleared of sexual assault or rape are found not guilty and blacklisted from the game by clubs and fans having not done anything wrong. 

Anyhow, this is boring, fans want us to sign a cheat, cool, I'll be less interested in what we do as a fan and certainly dont think we need a player as tainted as Toney on the books. 

 

Gambling and sexual assault are not comparable at all 

it’s pretty obvious that greenwood is as guilty as sin and the witnesses all retracting on the same day lends belief to the feeling that they were all paid off 

Awful 1st half from broja. 

Jackson is quite simply 10x the player, we looked so much better in the 2nd half once that sub was made. Should sell Broja the first chance we get

3 minutes ago, SHrIT said:

Awful 1st half from broja. 

Jackson is quite simply 10x the player, we looked so much better in the 2nd half once that sub was made. Should sell Broja the first chance we get

Give the guy a break FFS. He’s literally just back from a long term injury.

2 minutes ago, 19seventyone said:

Give the guy a break FFS. He’s literally just back from a long term injury.

Don't care he's not good enough. I watched him last season before the injury and his time at southampton and hes just not good enough imo. Jackson is far superior

On 05/10/2023 at 13:50, olderschoolcfc said:

Sorry, he is convicted of illegally gambling on football matches, rules that stop the game being brought into disrepute, that try to tackle match fixing and or tampering with the results of the sport. See Juve and now Barcelona for responses to tampering with results, the ongoing Barca case isn't even widely reported. they were paying referees to throw games. Tony was betting on results as a player in games he was playing in and some he wasn't, some were bets against the club he was paid to represent and play for, others were not. He was convicted under the laws of the FA... I didnt find him guilty of the offences he has committed, nor did I find him guilty. The football world has, At best he's an addict at worst a cheat. 

dont miss the point that two players accused of rape/ sexual assault were actually not charged by the police or found not guilty at retrial. Yet, when I floated the idea of Mason Greenwood at Chelsea people were very quick to say they didnt want him at the club because of the allegations that surrounded them despite them not being proven by any authority. Then also to our own CHO who faced similar allegations to Greenwood and  Evans but fans were ok with CHO remaining a CFC player.

So yeah, funny how one can be convicted/sentenced (8 months global ban from the game) and people dont think cheating or potential match fixing is problematic, see how cricket treats match betting and fixing, lifetime bans from the sport - while two men cleared of sexual assault or rape are found not guilty and blacklisted from the game by clubs and fans having not done anything wrong. 

Anyhow, this is boring, fans want us to sign a cheat, cool, I'll be less interested in what we do as a fan and certainly dont think we need a player as tainted as Toney on the books. 

 

Rape and abuse are on a completely different level to gambling.

Have you listened to the audio of Greenwood? I don’t want someone like him anywhere near the club. The only reason he’s not in prison is he’s back with his victim and the prosecution witnesses withdrew their statements. 
 

I’m also not getting your opinion that Toney is a cheat. He looks a lot more like a compulsive gambler such are the number of bets he placed. If we are in for him I’d be wanting him to stop gambling entirely 

29 minutes ago, SHrIT said:

Awful 1st half from broja. 

Jackson is quite simply 10x the player, we looked so much better in the 2nd half once that sub was made. Should sell Broja the first chance we get

Eat a dick mate

34 minutes ago, SHrIT said:

Awful 1st half from broja. 

Jackson is quite simply 10x the player, we looked so much better in the 2nd half once that sub was made. Should sell Broja the first chance we get

That's absolutely ridiculously harsh, he was excellent in the last game, what a nonsense post.

5 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Eat a dick mate

awful first half when broja was playing, gets subbed in the 2nd half for jackson and look how much better we looked. 

 

cry more

1 minute ago, dkw said:

That's absolutely ridiculously harsh, he was excellent in the last game, what a nonsense post.

last game looked very shoddy and scored a fluke goal from a deflection? 

Just think we are far batter when Jackson is playing. Broja would have re-torn that ACL had he even attempted that turn Jackson did for the 4th goal😂

1 minute ago, SHrIT said:

last game looked very shoddy 

More absolute nonsense.

He had next to no service. If Jackon had been on in the 1st half, it would have been the same. And Jackson wasn't really involved much in the 2nd either, apart from his goal.

Also looked like he had a bit of a knock or not completely fit from his injury

Love Broja. Needs a bit of help and time but he has all the tools to become an important player for us.

2 hours ago, SHrIT said:

awful first half when broja was playing, gets subbed in the 2nd half for jackson and look how much better we looked. 

 

cry more

Tell us one thing he could have done that would have improved things? The first half from us was sh*te. We were doing what we usually do, slow build up from the back, taking too long to get it into attack positions. There wasn't a single pass or cross played into him that he could have done anything with. Jackson has been in the same position himself a few times this season.

18 hours ago, Andy2461 said:

Gambling and sexual assault are not comparable at all 

it’s pretty obvious that greenwood is as guilty as sin and the witnesses all retracting on the same day lends belief to the feeling that they were all paid off 

I hope you never do jury service!  So to be clear, Someone with a gambling addiction, found guilty by the games governing body and was proven to bet on matches he did or didnt play in is fine to sign. But players who are are cleared of sexual assault (therefore innocent) shouldn't be signed or play for the club? 

 

11 hours ago, 19seventyone said:

Rape and abuse are on a completely different level to gambling.

Have you listened to the audio of Greenwood? I don’t want someone like him anywhere near the club. The only reason he’s not in prison is he’s back with his victim and the prosecution witnesses withdrew their statements. 
 

I’m also not getting your opinion that Toney is a cheat. He looks a lot more like a compulsive gambler such are the number of bets he placed. If we are in for him I’d be wanting him to stop gambling entirely 

The audio isn't great But Greenwood hasn't been convicted for abuse... therefore is innocent in the eyes of the law just like CHO was for us when he faced the similar allegations. It was fine for CHO to play for us but not Greenwood. What's your thoughts on Mendy who was cleared in court? unsavoury character but innocent. 

1 hour ago, olderschoolcfc said:

I hope you never do jury service!  So to be clear, Someone with a gambling addiction, found guilty by the games governing body and was proven to bet on matches he did or didnt play in is fine to sign. But players who are are cleared of sexual assault (therefore innocent) shouldn't be signed or play for the club? 

 

The audio isn't great But Greenwood hasn't been convicted for abuse... therefore is innocent in the eyes of the law just like CHO was for us when he faced the similar allegations. It was fine for CHO to play for us but not Greenwood. What's your thoughts on Mendy who was cleared in court? unsavoury character but innocent. 

You are ignoring or twisting a lot of things in this post.

The case against Greenwood was dropped because key witnesses backed out, that doesn't make him innocent in the slightest. Even if this case went the distance and he was cleared of sexual assault, that wouldn't necessarily make him innocent either, it could just mean that the jury didn't feel the evidence presented was enough to give a guilty verdict.

It's pretty damning that after such a long time nobody in the Greenwood camp has come out and denied it, not even Greenwood himself. United's actions and pathetic statement also says a lot.

As for the other players, the circumstances were completely different. All we could go on was one word against the other.

Edited October 8, 20232 yr by Scott Harris

4 hours ago, olderschoolcfc said:

I hope you never do jury service!  So to be clear, Someone with a gambling addiction, found guilty by the games governing body and was proven to bet on matches he did or didnt play in is fine to sign. But players who are are cleared of sexual assault (therefore innocent) shouldn't be signed or play for the club? 

 

The audio isn't great But Greenwood hasn't been convicted for abuse... therefore is innocent in the eyes of the law just like CHO was for us when he faced the similar allegations. It was fine for CHO to play for us but not Greenwood. What's your thoughts on Mendy who was cleared in court? unsavoury character but innocent. 

Neither are innocent, both are "not guilty" which is entirely different.

On 07/10/2023 at 17:16, SHrIT said:

Awful 1st half from broja. 

Jackson is quite simply 10x the player, we looked so much better in the 2nd half once that sub was made. Should sell Broja the first chance we get

Christ i'm only about three threads in catching up from the weekend and every post you make is the most reactive sh*te i've ever seen, 16 year old football twitter user is my assumption.

https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/news/armando-broja-injury-update-chelsea-27898736

 

 

if we didnt have bad luck we would have no luck at all. I also don't understand why he was allowed to join the Albanian national team after playing in just 2 games...

7 minutes ago, The Don Antonio said:

https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/news/armando-broja-injury-update-chelsea-27898736

 

 

if we didnt have bad luck we would have no luck at all. I also don't understand why he was allowed to join the Albanian national team after playing in just 2 games...

They have a crucial game and he is one of their most important players.

We cannot stop players joining their national sides, plus Mando needs games, and as we saw with Lavia players get injured training with us.

10 hours ago, axman2526 said:

They have a crucial game and he is one of their most important players.

We cannot stop players joining their national sides, plus Mando needs games, and as we saw with Lavia players get injured training with us.

I totally agree especially with lavia getting injured at Cobham but Broja has been out for 10 months and only had 2 games under his belt. He would have been better served building up his fitness with the 2 weeks off, besides Albania won their game 4 nil without him so was he really needed.

1 hour ago, The Don Antonio said:

I totally agree especially with lavia getting injured at Cobham but Broja has been out for 10 months and only had 2 games under his belt. He would have been better served building up his fitness with the 2 weeks off, besides Albania won their game 4 nil without him so was he really needed.

Apparently not lol.