1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

With proper coaches Broja could end up being a beast. The question is which younger players are we actually capable of developing?

Not sure about beast but he will be a solid prem striker. Similar to Solanke. 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Needs a loan. Nkunku managed to have more shots on target than Broja in 30 minutes vs Broja's 12 appearances this season. One of which was an a deflected/own goal against Fulham that Broja was awarded. 

This is like an Alonso/Emerson ordeal all over. The former is pissing everyone off that they are pretending the latter is somehow better. 

Why does every rubbish player need a loan?

Broja clearly isn't talented enough to play at the highest level and that's been clear his entire career even in the academy he just isn't that calibre of talent.

He's 22, he may get better but he doesn't have the potential to ever be good enough to be a squad player for us so  it's time to sell him.

1 hour ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

Why does every rubbish player need a loan?

Broja clearly isn't talented enough to play at the highest level and that's been clear his entire career even in the academy he just isn't that calibre of talent.

He's 22, he may get better but he doesn't have the potential to ever be good enough to be a squad player for us so  it's time to sell him.

The hate is real lol 

What I know is that none of our players are performing well. For some reason we get injuries all the time too, yet sonce Pulisic and Loftus cheek never seem to get injured at ac milan.

Therefore, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Broja. If it doesn't work out he will be making some money for Chelsea so Broja is win win situation. My worries are Caicedo and Enzo atm. We should be dominating with them and we are not!

36 minutes ago, Gentian said:

. We should be dominating with them and we are not!

Why though?

Good world cup with Messi in your team and good 1st season with a mid level premiership team means you will dominate games for one of Europes top teams of the last two decades?

People keep underestimating the significance of a team, the team mindset and putting the right players in the mix.

Pretty sure he will be sold if we get a half decent offer. Possibly even in January. I don't expect him to go on and be a world beater, but I think at the right club he could certainly impress in spells. Solanke floated around for several years without impressing, and has only just hit a purple patch this season to catch the eye. Broja could easily do something similar, although it looks highly unlikely he will hit that kind of form any time soon.

1 minute ago, forbzy said:

Pretty sure he will be sold if we get a half decent offer. Possibly even in January. I don't expect him to go on and be a world beater, but I think at the right club he could certainly impress in spells. Solanke floated around for several years without impressing, and has only just hit a purple patch this season to catch the eye. Broja could easily do something similar, although it looks highly unlikely he will hit that kind of form any time soon.

Broja, Gallagher, Maatsen and Chalobah to help balance the books.

2 hours ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

Why does every rubbish player need a loan?

Broja clearly isn't talented enough to play at the highest level and that's been clear his entire career even in the academy he just isn't that calibre of talent.

I love how you just make sh*t up and so many on here fall for it without checking. Makes me laugh.

This is from the official Chelsea website on his last academy year. 

"A reward for an excellent start to the season, Broja signed a two-and-a-half year deal to keep him at the club until June 2022 and finished the 2019/20 season with 23 goals in 33 games".

What a Troll.

Edited December 26, 20232 yr by just

On 24/12/2023 at 19:18, loz said:

Has there ever really been that much hype about him? Other than a bit of hope from Chelsea fans I've never really seen the wider football community particularly impressed by him and rightly so. 

There is never a quality player lurking underneath Broja. Just like Odoi people sometimes excessively clinged to the idea that the player would eventually return from what were admittedly serious injuries to become top players.

Reality is neither were ever that good. If we put Broja on the transfer market in January I'd be surprised if a single Premier League team was interested. 

This is the first time I have disagreed with you Loz since you said that you thought that Anne Widdicombe was one foxy lady.

I firmly believe Broja COULD be a genuine player for us. He has all the physical assets needed; size, power, pace and he has touch and control that Jackson and Werner could only dream of. His disallowed chipped goal against Newcastle was one example of his technique and finishing skills.

But what I am not yet sure of is if he is mentally fully over that terrible injury and 100% trusts his body to hold up. And even if he is, we should never be in the position where we are expecting a 22 year old with his limited experience to lead the line week in week out in the EPL. 

59 minutes ago, just said:

This is the first time I have disagreed with you Loz since you said that you thought that Anne Widdicombe was one foxy lady.

I firmly believe Broja COULD be a genuine player for us. He has all the physical assets needed; size, power, pace and he has touch and control that Jackson and Werner could only dream of. His disallowed chipped goal against Newcastle was one example of his technique and finishing skills.

But what I am not yet sure of is if he is mentally fully over that terrible injury and 100% trusts his body to hold up. And even if he is, we should never be in the position where we are expecting a 22 year old with his limited experience to lead the line week in week out in the EPL. 

Come back to me when you've seen her dressed as catwoman

1 hour ago, just said:

This is the first time I have disagreed with you Loz since you said that you thought that Anne Widdicombe was one foxy lady.

I firmly believe Broja COULD be a genuine player for us. He has all the physical assets needed; size, power, pace and he has touch and control that Jackson and Werner could only dream of. His disallowed chipped goal against Newcastle was one example of his technique and finishing skills.

But what I am not yet sure of is if he is mentally fully over that terrible injury and 100% trusts his body to hold up. And even if he is, we should never be in the position where we are expecting a 22 year old with his limited experience to lead the line week in week out in the EPL. 

I would agree that he has more chance than Jackson of making it but I'm still far from convinced. What I would say is that Jackson has been given a decent run of games and looks hopeless so it makes sense to give Broja the same opportunity and play him as number 9 for a similar period to give him a crack at it. 

2 hours ago, loz said:

I would agree that he has more chance than Jackson of making it but I'm still far from convinced. What I would say is that Jackson has been given a decent run of games and looks hopeless so it makes sense to give Broja the same opportunity and play him as number 9 for a similar period to give him a crack at it. 

Agree with this. Jackson has proven himself to be inept.... Broja should also be afforded the opportunity of a proper run in the team.  If he sinks, so be it.

I was at the game when Broja injured himself, and can still hear his screams of anguish and pain. It was a big deal. Since coming back he looks like he is playing with the handbrake on.... wouldnt be surprised if he is either not fully fit or not confident in his body.

For what its worth, I think Broja could be a steady striker for a team set up to lump it to a target man - Bournemouth, West Ham types. In the right team he will score 8-15 goals a season.  That team isnt a slow, possession based, technical team like we are.

5 hours ago, just said:

This is the first time I have disagreed with you Loz since you said that you thought that Anne Widdicombe was one foxy lady.

I firmly believe Broja COULD be a genuine player for us. He has all the physical assets needed; size, power, pace and he has touch and control that Jackson and Werner could only dream of. His disallowed chipped goal against Newcastle was one example of his technique and finishing skills.

But what I am not yet sure of is if he is mentally fully over that terrible injury and 100% trusts his body to hold up. And even if he is, we should never be in the position where we are expecting a 22 year old with his limited experience to lead the line week in week out in the EPL. 

Fully agree with you Just.

 

I will add I am not sure if he is also physically able to be what he was before that injury as well. He was explosive before it in power and pace. His teammates said he was the fastest player at the club (before we signed Mudryk).

I hope this injury has not done to him what the injuries of CHO and RLC did to them, as before that I had very high hopes about him being a big player for us.

4 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

Agree with this. Jackson has proven himself to be inept.... Broja should also be afforded the opportunity of a proper run in the team.  If he sinks, so be it.

I was at the game when Broja injured himself, and can still hear his screams of anguish and pain. It was a big deal. Since coming back he looks like he is playing with the handbrake on.... wouldnt be surprised if he is either not fully fit or not confident in his body.

For what its worth, I think Broja could be a steady striker for a team set up to lump it to a target man - Bournemouth, West Ham types. In the right team he will score 8-15 goals a season.  That team isnt a slow, possession based, technical team like we are.

When did our club become such snobs when it comes to how to play the game? The best strikers we have had are those we hit the ball to early. It's like we have taken a dislike to the very thing that helped make us the most successful team in England.

Blame Pep. 

His football revolutionism has changed the entire game. Greater focus on systems. 

I know he can’t finish either but just feels like a better structure with him leading the line. 

Seems to have a good eye for spotting silvas long passes in behind too. A goal will come from that at some point. 

14 minutes ago, Remodez said:

I know he can’t finish either but just feels like a better structure with him leading the line. 

Seems to have a good eye for spotting silvas long passes in behind too. A goal will come from that at some point. 

His injury was a really, really bad one. If you saw it and heard his reaction then you would know. If ACL was badly damaged.

He needs time a patience.

I prefer him to Jackson despite his lack of goals, mind you 3 of the Jackson goals came from 1 mad game against 9 men, so it's not like his head and shoulder above Broja. I'm surprised the lack of patience from some fans for Broja, if he was a year or 2 younger, we'd have paid 80M for him😁

11 minutes ago, icecoolguy22 said:

I prefer him to Jackson despite his lack of goals, mind you 3 of the Jackson goals came from 1 mad game against 9 men, so it's not like his head and shoulder above Broja. I'm surprised the lack of patience from some fans for Broja, if he was a year or 2 younger, we'd have paid 80M for him😁

Is our fan base, we have been conditioned to expect.

I really like Broja, I can see the quality in his game. He’s never going to be a Haaland but he’s more than solid for a back up striker, he times his runs really well and he’s pretty tidy on the ball too.

As things stand i think we would be better off giving him a run of games, he does the basics right and he plays like a striker. Jackson is a weird hybrid of striker, winger and attacking midfielder… Somstimes we need things to be simple.

10 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

When did our club become such snobs when it comes to how to play the game? The best strikers we have had are those we hit the ball to early. It's like we have taken a dislike to the very thing that helped make us the most successful team in England.

I don't disagree with you. As i have made very clear elsewhere I hate the boring possession football we currently play. 

But it is how we have played for years - and unless there is a change, Broja doesn't fit it. 

6 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

I really like Broja, I can see the quality in his game. He’s never going to be a Haaland but he’s more than solid for a back up striker, he times his runs really well and he’s pretty tidy on the ball too.

As things stand i think we would be better off giving him a run of games, he does the basics right and he plays like a striker. Jackson is a weird hybrid of striker, winger and attacking midfielder… Somstimes we need things to be simple.

There isn't a single facet of the game at which Jackson is better than Broja. Not one. I really hope Broja gets the opportunities Jackson has had and gets the benefit of some regular minutes on the pitch with N'kunku behind him.

38 minutes ago, just said:

There isn't a single facet of the game at which Jackson is better than Broja. Not one. I really hope Broja gets the opportunities Jackson has had and gets the benefit of some regular minutes on the pitch with N'kunku behind him.

Yep think I agree with this.

Last night I just couldn’t believe how poor Jackson was in possession and why on earth he feels the urge to attempt the number of back heels he does was beyond belief.

1 hour ago, terraloon said:

Yep think I agree with this.

Last night I just couldn’t believe how poor Jackson was in possession and why on earth he feels the urge to attempt the number of back heels he does was beyond belief.

Don't be too hasty on the back heel criticism. One of them came off which puts it on an equal level of success as his orthodox passes 

10 hours ago, loz said:

Don't be too hasty on the back heel criticism. One of them came off which puts it on an equal level of success as his orthodox passes 

Says it all really

12 hours ago, just said:

There isn't a single facet of the game at which Jackson is better than Broja. Not one. I really hope Broja gets the opportunities Jackson has had and gets the benefit of some regular minutes on the pitch with N'kunku behind him.

Well, apart from the obvious one ... that Jackson has 8 goals in his Chelsea career (in 1,639 minutes) vs Broja's 2 in 854 minutes.

Even if you "discount" Nico's hat trick against Spurs as it was tap ins against 9 men, he's still ahead LOL.

Yes Jackson has had some horrific misses, but at least he's getting himself in the positions to have such misses. Broja isn't even getting that far !