11 minutes ago, evissy said:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/55916384

Wonder if they'll contact Lampard.

They have a good squad for the Championship and should be able to get promoted even if they have to do it through playoffs.

8 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

I didn't even know Eddie Howe had left Bournemouth let alone them having a different manager.... So that just shows how in tune I am with modern football. 

Dortmund managerial history since Klopp

 

 

4 minutes ago, evissy said:

Dortmund managerial history since Klopp

Barring Tuchel, I've never even heard of any of those other managers, I don't really pay much attention to a lot of football outside of the Premier League in truth. 

15 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Wonder if they'll contact Lampard.

They have a good squad for the Championship and should be able to get promoted even if they have to do it through playoffs.

This wouldn't surprise me especially with uncle Harry's links to bournemouth,maybe a bit too soon though.

49 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Wonder if they'll contact Lampard.

They have a good squad for the Championship and should be able to get promoted even if they have to do it through playoffs.

It would be nice to see him back in a job but I’m unsure if Frank is willing to go back to Championship after managing Chelsea, especially with his winning mentality. 

I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s holding out for a job like Crystal Palace. Christine Bleakley is pregnant so I reckon they’re reluctant to move out of London.

1 hour ago, ForeverCarefree said:

I didn't even know Eddie Howe had left Bournemouth let alone them having a different manager.... So that just shows how in tune I am with modern football. 

Me neither, missed that completely.

13 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

It would be nice to see him back in a job but I’m unsure if Frank is willing to go back to Championship after managing Chelsea, especially with his winning mentality. 

I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s holding out for a job like Crystal Palace. Christine Bleakley is pregnant so I reckon they’re reluctant to move out of London.

If he goes to Bournemouth then im putting money on us getting them in either the league cup or FA cup next season.

5 hours ago, JM7 said:

 

• Chelsea's board are unrealistic and stuck in the past, the short term model does not work and the landscape has changed. City, Liverpool and Leicester have proven that you need a long term plan to succeed. Chelsea no longer have established world class players who can manage themselves and they cannot just splash the cash as everyone has money. They havent challenged for the title since winning it and haven't been serious contenders in the CL since Mourinho's first year, more significant changes are required then purely a managerial change.

 

Its an interesting thought whether our model of sacking managers is now outdated. Every ideas and methods eventually get replaced by new thinking. We haven’t been favourites to win the league or CL for years now. Yes got lucky with Conte but apart from Jose’s 15/6 year, we haven’t been favourites for the top titles anymore. We’ve actually dropped down a level as more “top 4 challengers”. 
 

I do actually think stability is a myth. Only Fergie and Wenger (debatable) have sustained top level success. Most managers get 2, maybe 3 years but they’re never far from the sack. 

Stability isn't a myth. The myth is that the only way to source it is having the same manager for ever and a day.

2 hours ago, evissy said:

This is the big question. Roman and the board think this is the way to go. People also seem to think Roman does it on a whim. I don’t think he does. I follow russian ice hockey a bit and their culture is the manager is sacked pretty quickly. Not sure if it in russian culture in particular but it makes sense.

In english media especially all the pundits in basically every channel and show they seem to value the managers employment situation. Every time it is "he didn't deserve it" "he should get more time" "this is disgraceful" and so on. Look at someone like Big Sam, Bruce and managers like these they get sacked and the new job in months. That is the way it goes. SAF and Wenger were freaks and in Arsenes case was it ever sensible for the last 10 seasons...Too much is made of sacking of Chelsea managers. 

I personally would love if we found some culture of play, a manager that has time to implement his style. This is what I wished we do with Frank. We didn't.

What this "circus" gives us fans is news, excitement, disappointment, new beginnings, drama and so on. That pretty much is entertainment. I'm okay with it.

What the PL had before with SAF and AW is almost like today with Pep and Klopp that dominate the league. The best teams find stability and keep their managers, Pep won the PL twice in a row and now Klopp 1 title and 1 CL title.

But it's difficult to process that whole concept of stability and sacking since we also had Leicester that won the league out of the blue - only to sack Ranieri as soon as trouble came. Our model is more like that in recent times, we fly high and fall hard and then go up again. Spurs for example kept Poch, he made them a regular top 4 team but failed to win and they sacked him, they couldn't finish top 4 last season - this reminds me when Ancelotti was sacked, after him we finished outside of the top 4 but that very season we won the CL and the manager wasn't really a big factor.

Sarri changed the way we play and I doubt that we will go back to parking the bus, the instruction is to play attractive football and I think those kind of managers will be appointed in the future if Tuchel gets sacked, or when he gets sacked.

1 hour ago, Sindre said:

Wonder if they'll contact Lampard.

They have a good squad for the Championship and should be able to get promoted even if they have to do it through playoffs.

Woodgate joined Bournemouth as a coach a couple of days ago - presumably there's some plan in place there. 

23 hours ago, Slojo said:

I can't completely remember but I'm pretty certain we had no wins in November under Carlo, and December wasn't much better. We lost 3-0 to Sunderland at home and another bunch of shocking results. And I'm sure under Conte in his 2nd stint we had like certain amount of weeks without a win. 

Historically speaking, Chelsea always does poorly on November. I can hardly remember any season where our November was decent

10 minutes ago, PloKoon13 said:

Woodgate joined Bournemouth as a coach a couple of days ago - presumably there's some plan in place there. 

That 21% win percentage when managing Boro is clear indicator he has all the tools needed to ensure they're promoted back into the Premier League. 

22 hours ago, Gol15 said:

The point is that the board should be looking for a long term solution that would bring success.

But it looks like their standard is a manager that needs to win the PL twice in a row in order to show that he might be the right man, that is a problem. It's very unlikely that we will see that.

We had managers that won the league in their first season, Pep and Klopp didn't do that but they were given all the time and space to do their job and it paid off.

The board didn't want to fully back Conte, not even after he won the league - if he doesn't win he's not good enough for us and if he wins it means that we already had the best team so whatever new player he wants it means that he's just exaggerating... This is why we're not stable at the moment.

Conte's transfer targets are not a sustainable business model. 

As a whole, we are very stable club. Multiple titles in recent years, consistent CL places though we have a couple of outliers, an owner that is very much involved with the club (not just raking in money a la Glazers or Kroenke), very good transfer dealings whether purchasing and selling (A player flopping is on the player, not the board), a youth academy that is very good in producing talented youth prospects and multiple title winners in the first team squad ranging from League Cup winners all the way to World Cup winners.

Our only variable has been the head coach/manager position which seems to change every 2 years which is typical of an English club. 

How are we not a stable club? If anything most clubs in the world wishes they were run as good as we are

8 minutes ago, Deino said:

Conte's transfer targets are not a sustainable business model. 

Neither was 200£ million for Morata, Drinkwater, Zappacosta, Bakayoko and Rudiger.

We'd definitly have been far better off if we had spent 150£ million on Van Dijk and Lukaku who Conte actually wanted.

It's history now but that summer was the worst transfer window we've ever had. Topped off by selling Nemanja Matic coming off a fantastic season to Manchester United.

Hopefully the club realize that Tuchel is the individual with most football-knowledge at the club currently and actually backs him. That would be quite refreshing and is also what needs to happen for us to compete with Liverpool, City and United going forward.

 

1 minute ago, Sindre said:

Neither was 200£ million for Morata, Drinkwater, Zappacosta, Bakayoko and Rudiger.

Yeah, which is why we changed our policy from the Sarri summer onwards the (admittedly huge) Kepa blunder aside.

Conte by comparison has carried on signing and attempting to sign the same type of profile of player at Inter, including two of ours from that famous year.

27 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

That 21% win percentage when managing Boro is clear indicator he has all the tools needed to ensure they're promoted back into the Premier League. 

Hey I didn't say it was a good plan

9 minutes ago, Deino said:

Conte's transfer targets are not a sustainable business model. 

As a whole, we are very stable club. Multiple titles in recent years, consistent CL places though we have a couple of outliers, an owner that is very much involved with the club (not just raking in money a la Glazers or Kroenke), very good transfer dealings whether purchasing and selling (A player flopping is on the player, not the board), a youth academy that is very good in producing talented youth prospects and multiple title winners in the first team squad ranging from League Cup winners all the way to World Cup winners.

Our only variable has been the head coach/manager position which seems to change every 2 years which is typical of an English club. 

How are we not a stable club? If anything most clubs in the world wishes they were run as good as we are

Didn't Conte prove himself enough? He wanted Lukaku that is now one of the best players in Serie A with 20 goals already. He wanted Alex Sandro that is still a very stable player for Juventus which has been the best Italian club in the recent years, he wanted Van Dijk that singlehandedly improved Liverpool to the highest possible status... He is a winner - that's a great business model and a big reason why he had the job of being our manager.

I don't think that the club is overall satisfied, in the recent years we have been less consistent due to many factors but overall we still have a pretty big gap between us and Man City/Liverpool.

When Sarri took over he said from the very start that the gap is very big and that in the first season the goal is to reduce it - we finished 3rd so the board was right for getting him and he changed the way we play into how the club wants the team to play. The club isn't going backwards because so many people do a great job for the club but it has been harder to keep up with the current top teams.

It all depends who we compare ourselves to but I'm sure that the goal isn't to just go up and down but to constantly be challenging for titles - this isn't something that we have managed to do part from losing in some Cup finals and winning Europa league and the FA Cup in the recent years. We have now a lot of young talents that we are supposed to build the team around but that will be harder to do if we keep changing managers, we're a great club no doubt about it but the criticism comes from the way our ambitions have influenced some of the decision making from higher up in the club hierarchy - E.g. the board might have let Jose take too many important decision and they maybe in hindsight regretted that he was given a full season and the final word about not having the patience for KDB, but that doesn't mean that the board should look at what happened there as the only indicator of all future events. The transfer ban was a blessing for us but it wasn't a planned thing to do - at least there the board simply took the opportunity to give a chance for our youth, together with Lampard and it paid off. The club must look at the big picture more often IMO.

11 minutes ago, Argo said:

Yeah, which is why we changed our policy from the Sarri summer onwards the (admittedly huge) Kepa blunder aside.

Conte by comparison has carried on signing and attempting to sign the same type of profile of player at Inter, including two of ours from that famous year.

Didn't think the Sarri-summer was anything to cheer about. The whole goalkeeper situation that summer was more a farce then a blunder in my view.

But yes, hopefully we have changed our ways. My point is that we've had a couple of great chances to win back-to-back titles in 2015 and 2017 and when the managers at the time wanted reinforcements to do so they were given the likes of Djilibodji, Pato, Drinkwater and Zappacosta.

I'd hope that if Tuchel ever takes us to a title the club would realize you should continue to build and improve when you get there and not rest on your laurels and be well overtaken by the competitors.

Reporter to Tuchel "thoughts on PSG's interest in Dele Alli"

Tuchel to reporter "Are you at the right press conference?"

 

I like him

1 hour ago, dkw said:

Me neither, missed that completely.

How did we manage to miss out on the genius that is Eddie Howe when he was available when so many top experts in here were saying he was the man to take us forward into the glory days of successive promotions from the 3rd division up to the 1st and back again.

Look, Roman wants a return on the huge investment in his German players, it was a no brainier it was going to be one of the German managers he was going to hire, knowing he would be more familiar with the players, Especially Werner. So we hire the next big thing as the new coach for ‘The project’, 18 months gives the hierarchy a bloody good idea if he can cut it, the alternative, Roman sanctions a 4-5 yr long contract on say Nagelsman, he turns out pish, we fire him and he trousers 20-30 million, it’s a no win situation with our reputation. I just wish Conte had fitted in better...

Edited February 3, 20215 yr by Ballack & Blu

Can we get back to TT,  so far so good,  I  like him, another good press conference. a couple of points I would be brining out if I was Chelsea PR man 

1.  "Harry Kane is not a great number 9, he is a cock, I have much better forwards than that"    - is the correct answer 

2. "Jose had his time then became a Judas, thanks for the trophies but we are going for a Southampton style thrashing tomorrow"  - a more appropriate answer 

3. "i have seen the error of my ways, Tottenham are scum I am now a Chelsea fan for the rest of my life" - A much better answer 

4. I don't drink much, I will have a gin and tonic if we win is not the best answer Thomas, maybe.... "I am in training, this time next year I will be having 12 pints down the Fulham Road with the lads" would be more acceptable

- On the positive side to the Jerno with all the Spurs questions  -  "Are you in the right press conference ? " - Brilliant answer !!

 

  

 

 

2 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Didn't Conte prove himself enough? He wanted Lukaku that is now one of the best players in Serie A with 20 goals already. He wanted Alex Sandro that is still a very stable player for Juventus which has been the best Italian club in the recent years, he wanted Van Dijk that singlehandedly improved Liverpool to the highest possible status... He is a winner - that's a great business model and a big reason why he had the job of being our manager.

 

Klopp would have gotten Van Dijk. He did everything possible to get him. 

Lukaku is sh*te in finals. I do not want to see a complete bottler at the club. 

I wanted Alex Sandro too but Juve wasn't playing ball. 

People kept saying those 3 but people always forgot Conte also wanted Candreva, Perisic and other close to retiring players. We would have lost the youth prospects again to other clubs. 

Also people forgot that it was Conte that didn't see use for Salah. Well wouldn't you know it 1 season later he came to the PL and smashed in goals for fun playing at the exact same position as Pedro and Willian at the time. 

Just look at the current Inter squad. It's filled with 30+ year olds. That could've been present day Chelsea. I honestly don't see why we want to stick with Conte after the sh*te he pulled when he didn't get what he wanted. 

The rest of your post, I agree with. 

5 minutes ago, andy said:

Can we get back to TT,  so far so good,  I  like him, another good press conference. a couple of points I would be brining out if I was Chelsea PR man 

1.  "Harry Kane is not a great number 9, he is a cock, I have much better forwards than that"    - is the correct answer 

2. "Jose had his time then became a Judas, thanks for the trophies but we are going for a Southampton style thrashing tomorrow"  - a more appropriate answer 

3. "i have seen the error of my ways, Tottenham are scum I am now a Chelsea fan for the rest of my life" - A much better answer 

4. I don't drink much, I will have a gin and tonic if we win is not the best answer Thomas, maybe.... "I am in training, this time next year I will be having 12 pints down the Fulham Road with the lads" would be more acceptable

- On the positive side to the Jerno with all the Spurs questions  -  "Are you in the right press conference ? " - Brilliant answer !!

 

  

 

 

I like his pressers so far. It's a breath of fresh air. 

2 hours ago, Sindre said:

Neither was 200£ million for Morata, Drinkwater, Zappacosta, Bakayoko and Rudiger.

We'd definitly have been far better off if we had spent 150£ million on Van Dijk and Lukaku who Conte actually wanted.

 

That was a terrible summer window. Spending on Van Dijk is one thing but we won't have won that battle. Klopp's even taken Van Dijk out at that point. Coulda shoulda woulda

No to Lukaku. I personally don't want that bottler anywhere near our club again.