1 hour ago, Imran_CFC said:

I think he has established a good foundation to build upon and I am hoping moving forward we can utilize the wing back system but also work towards a standard back 4 which would allow an additional offensive player.

The problem with our squad is that defensively we have a squad more suitable to a wing back system and offensively our personnel is suited to 3 players behind a Centre forward which lends itself to a 4-2-3-1. Against the likes Burnley, West Brom, Sheffield, Spurs and Newcastle I don't think we necessarily need 3 CB's, we can afford to lose 1 CB and opt to have either Kai playing as a false 9 or alternatively go with a genuine center forward in Tammy/Giroud.

That is the next level of evolution in the squad I would like to see from Tuchel.  

Frank played a back four and we managed to look very good defensively once Mendy started playing on goal, having several clean sheets in a row. It’s only after we played Leeds that the whole team collapsed. So it is very possible to play a solid back four with these players, maybe you just don’t play Rudiger and bring Zouma in. Why Zouma is not playing, I haven’t got a clue.

Havn't been able to really watch the games. . . last one was played while I was at work.  A draw followed by 2 wins in a row is a good start.  

Let's not forget that Tuchel drew with a team that beat us earlier in the season and beat a team that we drew with earlier in the season.

 

To be fair the true test comes against tougher teams.  

Gotta admit. Really enjoyed our play in the first half against Spurs. 

Exciting times. All our rivals have tough games this weekend. A chance to gain some ground

Players do try harder with a new manager. No question. DKW spot on with that. And the team mostly gets a burst of hope. 
The specific improvements/changes I see are. 
1 back 3. That’s a standard thing these days but it wasn’t what most of us advocated frank should do. 
2. Getting cho to play wing back in a back 3. He is great in that role and I preferred that to having James in the role, but that’s me. 
3. Settling on a midfield duo with kova in front of Jorginho. That’s looked pretty good so far and not what Most of us were thinking 

4. Dropping chilwell. Chilwell is pretty good and I think he will get back in team but in truth he hasn’t been missed so far. 
5. More recently moving Werner to striker where his work rate and mobility are of most use to the team. 
we will have to see how it works against a high block but I’m hopeful. 

the problems are

1. No height or muscle in the centre for crosses, no reference point in conte speak

2 not enough goal scoring threats despite a squad full of strikers and wingers. 
 

Werner and cho are nowhere near enough on their own to score all the goals we need. We miss Zouma offensive threat in the box as well. 

Edited February 6, 20215 yr by ozboy

There are a lot of praise for Tuchel but what Tuchel has done is actually make Mount even more important to the team, maybe he is Tuchel son also. 

Mount has spent half a season protecting Chilwell and Werner/puli, now he play as no 10 where he can fill gap and be very2 dynamic with his movement. 

 

I'd love to see Tuchel play Kovacic, Mount and Havertz in the midfield three, you could then bring Gilmour or Jorginho in if needed, but I believe those three would give the best balance and creativity we strongly need to feed our attackers, as well as score themselves.

Well, apart from Kovacic 😆.

Edited February 6, 20215 yr by Malcolm9

15 hours ago, RMH said:

Frank played a back four and we managed to look very good defensively once Mendy started playing on goal, having several clean sheets in a row. It’s only after we played Leeds that the whole team collapsed. So it is very possible to play a solid back four with these players, maybe you just don’t play Rudiger and bring Zouma in. Why Zouma is not playing, I haven’t got a clue.

Zouma is better on the right. Rudiger is more two-footed than him hencewhy Rudi's on the left

18 hours ago, Imran_CFC said:

I think he has established a good foundation to build upon and I am hoping moving forward we can utilize the wing back system but also work towards a standard back 4 which would allow an additional offensive player.

The problem with our squad is that defensively we have a squad more suitable to a wing back system and offensively our personnel is suited to 3 players behind a Centre forward which lends itself to a 4-2-3-1. Against the likes Burnley, West Brom, Sheffield, Spurs and Newcastle I don't think we necessarily need 3 CB's, we can afford to lose 1 CB and opt to have either Kai playing as a false 9 or alternatively go with a genuine center forward in Tammy/Giroud.

That is the next level of evolution in the squad I would like to see from Tuchel.  

This is how we play in current setup 

Fw - fw

Mount 

Alonso - Jorginho - Kova - CHO

Rudiger - Silva - Azpi

That is essentially close to 4231 because cho really does not play wb. If you take azpi out and play Havertz, that is pretty much suicidal style that will be used if we are desperate. 

For more offensive formation, we probably will play puli and cho as wb pair like what tuchel did at the end of  wolves game, this itself is quite offensive and you better be sure you press and foul the heck out of your opp

1 hour ago, Deino said:

Zouma is better on the right. Rudiger is more two-footed than him hencewhy Rudi's on the left

Yes, but Zouma has been playing with Silva and sometimes on the left, and they were solid pair. I think that Tuchel is probably sticking to back three to play to all CBs strengths, among other things. But if he went to a back 4, then I’d rather see Zouma with Silva.

43 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

This is how we play in current setup 

Fw - fw

Mount 

Alonso - Jorginho - Kova - CHO

Rudiger - Silva - Azpi

That is essentially close to 4231 because cho really does not play wb. If you take azpi out and play Havertz, that is pretty much suicidal style that will be used if we are desperate. 

For more offensive formation, we probably will play puli and cho as wb pair like what tuchel did at the end of  wolves game, this itself is quite offensive and you better be sure you press and foul the heck out of your opp

You can also get more offensive by leaving alonso out and playing say mount there and havertz in the hole. Risky though. 

2 hours ago, ozboy said:

You can also get more offensive by leaving alonso out and playing say mount there and havertz in the hole. Risky though. 

Mount is not a winger so no, puli and cho wb combination. Tuchel will probably use it for game that he is pretty sure that we can dominate easily. 

10 hours ago, Bob stark said:

There are a lot of praise for Tuchel but what Tuchel has done is actually make Mount even more important to the team, maybe he is Tuchel son also. 

Mount has spent half a season protecting Chilwell and Werner/puli, now he play as no 10 where he can fill gap and be very2 dynamic with his movement. 

 

I know it's only 3 games but imo Mount looks better under Tuchel so far, I've seen some big improvements. But that might be because he's playing behind the striker again. 

55 minutes ago, Slojo said:

I know it's only 3 games but imo Mount looks better under Tuchel so far, I've seen some big improvements. But that might be because he's playing behind the striker again. 

Pretty much, he connects the midfield and attacker, win ball, fill gap, play super dynamic. 

 

Tactically this isn't much different from how we played under Lampard with a back 3 formation. The problem was that Lampard got to be super rigid with the 4-3-3 and we were not playing well.

It shows more just how bad Jose and Spurs are.

Yes it was our first test against a slightly bigger team but anything other than a win wasn't really expected. We should also win against Sheffield and Newcastle as well. Then comes Southampthon, Atletico, Man United, Everton, Leeds - the true real test.

Edited February 6, 20215 yr by Gol15

4 hours ago, Gol15 said:

 

Tactically this isn't much different from how we played under Lampard with a back 3 formation. The problem was that Lampard got to be super rigid with the 4-3-3 and we were not playing well.

It shows more just how bad Jose and Spurs are.

Yes it was our first test against a slightly bigger team but anything other than a win wasn't really expected. We should also win against Sheffield and Newcastle as well. Then comes Southampthon, Atletico, Man United, Everton, Leeds - the true real test.

Mourinho play 4 vs 5,it was madness by mou, instead of building with 3 cb, azpi stay wide almost as fb and nobody there, it wws o easy for us to bring the ball to final 3rd

New manager bounce will always be there but it will interesting to see how Tuchel reacts when teams have worked out our new system. I know he mixes it up abit but as we saw with Conte and Lampard, teams eventually work you out 

Does anyone have a picture of the league table when Frank was sacked, be interesting to see our position (9th?) and how many points away from the top 4 we was and compare it to 4 games later. 

By time we kicked off at wolves we were 10th

Top 4 will still be very competitive and will go down to the wire. Any slip ups and we will be punished. 

34 minutes ago, I Am Gay 4 Diegod said:

Does anyone have a picture of the league table when Frank was sacked, be interesting to see our position (9th?) and how many points away from the top 4 we was and compare it to 4 games later. 

 

On 06/02/2021 at 20:51, Gol15 said:

 

 We should also win against Sheffield and Newcastle as well. Then comes Southampthon, Atletico, Man United, Everton, Leeds - the true real test.

I'm waiting for the Southampton game, there is where the fun begins. This was all just routine wins so far.

16 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

I'm waiting for the Southampton game, there is where the fun begins. This was all just routine wins so far.

Despite their horrible form, I wouldn't describe winning against Spurs, who are our direct rival for Top 4, a routine win. Also Southampton are on a really bad run at the moment, so let's hope we can get 3 points against them for once.

Did not know where to post this, so I will put it here - they just announced in Romania that UEFA have asked the Romanian authorities if they are ready to host Atletico v Chelsea on February 23rd. Nothing settled yet, but of course the Romanian football federation will not miss the chance to host such a big game in Bucharest and will probably give the go ahead for the first leg to be played in Bucharest should UEFA decide so.

2 hours ago, True Blue23 said:

Despite their horrible form, I wouldn't describe winning against Spurs, who are our direct rival for Top 4, a routine win. Also Southampton are on a really bad run at the moment, so let's hope we can get 3 points against them for once.

As sh*t as Spurs were, winning against Spurs was a fantastic win because we've desperately needed a big win like that this season. We've bottled almost every big game we've played in. Even Spurs at the Bridge, we should've beat them, we were all over them and we let them walk away with a point. 

Good start under Tuchel, and we're the biggest threat outside the top 4 now.

3 wins in his first 4 games as coach. I'll take that.