10 minutes ago, cfcwomble said:

Might not be so bad, might be able to afford Hazard back to win us the Europa again...

Ah is bull scheduling imo. No reason we could not be playing tomorrow.

First of all Mendy has to stop playing passes to our defenders in and around our box who will be under instant pressure from their press. As will Mendy if he starts farting about and daydreaming with the ball .

in fact a few long kicks dropping behind their back line to use our pace would be nice.

and i f in possession we start the long progress to their goal via a multitude of passes only to be confronted by a red wall I won't be surprised, but very bored.

This ain't the Liverpool of recent seasons, let's get 3 points off the f**kers .

Come on you BLUES 

Two draws in a row have sadly left us desperate for a win.

No 5th man for them and a defence that is in pieces added to missing Hendersons leasership. Gotta go for it, and need pace. 

 

Mendy

 

Azpi

Christensen

Rudiger

Chilwell

 

Kante

Kovacic

 

Mount

 

CHO

Werner

Pulisic

 

Can easily shift that back and forth to the standard Tuchel system too

 

Mendy

 

Azpi

Christensen

Rudiger

 

CHO

Kante

Kovacic

Chilwell

 

Pulisic

Mount

Werner

Edited March 2, 20215 yr by axman2526

1 minute ago, axman2526 said:

Two draws in a row have sadly left us desperate for a win.

No 5th man for them and a defence that is in pieces added to missing Hendersons leasership. Gotta go for it, and need pace. 

 

Mendy

 

Azpi

Christensen

Rudiger

Chilwell

 

Kante

Kovacic

 

Mount

 

CHO

Werner

Pulisic

Too right, if we don't use our pace on Thursday and stay with possession based, slow build ups it will be criminal

I think we might go with this:

                                               Mendy

                  Christensen           Silva         Rudiger

CHO                                                                          Chilwell

                            Kante                           Kova

            Mount                                             Havertz

                                         Werner

That’s a team I could select. Probably do crap but as a team I like it. 

Another tricky game. Though Liverpool are not a patch on what they were last season. They still are more than capable of wining. Let’s hope we can win this game.

 

mendy 

azbi christensen rudiger 

james kante kovacic chillwell 

Pulisic mount 

werner 

 

we need pace upfront. 

20 hours ago, KonaKai Blue said:

I'll take a boring 1-0 win please. I'll be more than happy with the 3pts.

Totally agree.

15 hours ago, Imran_CFC said:

Also I think Tuchel has 2 wins in 14 against Klopp, hopefully going to be 3 in 15 after Thursday.

Let's be fair, 10 of them were at Mainz when Klopp was at Dortmund.

With a more level playing field the score is Klopp 2, Tuchel 1 and 1 draw. 

17 minutes ago, Argo said:

Let's be fair, 10 of them were at Mainz when Klopp was at Dortmund.

With a more level playing field the score is Klopp 2, Tuchel 1 and 1 draw. 

I wouldn't do this as a Chelsea fan... Klopp is a tier one manager, there are few left but Chelsea stopped dining at that table years ago and the best names in the game are now unlikely to come to us other than for a pension windfall. Tuchel is simply a best from the rest category unless he wins where he can elevate his own reputation. 

Klopp wouldn't have lasted romans firing gun with the slump Liverpool have been on... Yet he's still there. We sacked Carlo after winning a double... Anyhow, TT will more than likely be gone if he fails to get top 4. Id go British, wait until the euros and go for Steve holland. 

 

They're there for the taking. The players need to turn up and be focused. 

30 minutes ago, cfcwomble said:

Tuchel is simply a best from the rest category unless he wins where he can elevate his own reputation.

I disagree. Tuchel took PSG to their first ever Champions League final. I think Tuchel is entering into his prime as a manager and we got him at a very good time. It’s very possible that we could see his best years here.

Let’s hope so anyway.

I guess it will be the same 'try-not-to-lose' approach without taking any risks, so a draw would be alright.

5 minutes ago, wizardous said:

I guess it will be the same 'try-not-to-lose' approach without taking any risks, so a draw would be alright.

We've got to go for the win, even if it means we ultimately end up losing this game. 

We've dropped 4 points in the last two games and lost an oppotunity to put ourselves in a comfortable position in the top 4 as a consequence. 

If we want Champions League football next season we need to start taking some bigger risks with our approach. 

45 minutes ago, cfcwomble said:

I wouldn't do this as a Chelsea fan... Klopp is a tier one manager, there are few left but Chelsea stopped dining at that table years ago and the best names in the game are now unlikely to come to us other than for a pension windfall. Tuchel is simply a best from the rest category unless he wins where he can elevate his own reputation. 

Klopp wouldn't have lasted romans firing gun with the slump Liverpool have been on... Yet he's still there. We sacked Carlo after winning a double... Anyhow, TT will more than likely be gone if he fails to get top 4. Id go British, wait until the euros and go for Steve holland. 

 

 

12 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

I disagree. Tuchel took PSG to their first ever Champions League final. I think Tuchel is entering into his prime as a manager and we got him at a very good time. It’s very possible that we could see his best years here.

Let’s hope so anyway.

I agree with the Womble, until he wins the big one, he can’t be classed as at the top table. Winning Ligue 1 is the minimum requirement at PSG.

I’m not saying every coach that has won it is elite, but look at those classed in the top tier, they’ve won multiple trophies & Big Ears.

I also agree, for us to attract top table managers again, Roman & the board are going to have to realise that winning the title doesn’t mean you’ve cracked it, top clubs build upon their successes.

25 minutes ago, Wearyourcolours said:

 Winning Ligue 1 is the minimum requirement at PSG.

Yet his title success rate at PSG was 50% than two of the previous three managers under the mega rich owners.

So if it's so "easy" why did Ancelotti (who around a week ago you claimed would have won three more titles minimum with us) and Emery fail their first attempt?

28 minutes ago, Wearyourcolours said:

 

I agree with the Womble, until he wins the big one, he can’t be classed as at the top table. Winning Ligue 1 is the minimum requirement at PSG.

Conte' s classed as top tier and he's never made it past the quarters.

Peak Wenger was classed as top tier as he never won it.

27 minutes ago, Wearyourcolours said:

 

I agree with the Womble, until he wins the big one, he can’t be classed as at the top table. Winning Ligue 1 is the minimum requirement at PSG.

I’m not saying every coach that has won it is elite, but look at those classed in the top tier, they’ve won multiple trophies & Big Ears.

I also agree, for us to attract top table managers again, Roman & the board are going to have to realise that winning the title doesn’t mean you’ve cracked it, top clubs build upon their successes.

 

46 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

I disagree. Tuchel took PSG to their first ever Champions League final. I think Tuchel is entering into his prime as a manager and we got him at a very good time. It’s very possible that we could see his best years here.

Let’s hope so anyway.

There isn't a bone in me that doesn't want CFC success with whoever is in charge. I hope TT elevates his position into a tier one manager with us and is about for a while to build a legacy. the last series of managers from Conte through to present day haven't lasted longer than 18 months and I think that is impacting on player form more than players dropping out of form.  which is why its interesting to see him bring in squad players under frank. He does get rather animated does TT... Hope it doesn't backfire. 

Anyhow, Liverpool next and I'll take a point now to be honest. 

 

 

13 hours ago, Strider6003 said:

I think we might go with this:

                                               Mendy

                  Christensen           Silva         Rudiger

CHO                                                                          Chilwell

                            Kante                           Kova

            Mount                                             Havertz

                                         Werner

Makes sense though maybe James over CHO

11 minutes ago, Argo said:

Yet his title success rate at PSG was 50% than two of the previous three managers under the mega rich owners.

So if it's so "easy" why did Ancelotti (who around a week ago you claimed would have won three more titles minimum with us) and Emery fail their first attempt?

Conte' s classed as top tier and he's never made it past the quarters.

Peak Wenger was classed as top tier as he never won it.

I think the point is that Conte, Wenger, Carlo have all won consistent league titles and cups. Spain, Italy, EPL... etc. It really depends on how you view Ligue 1 and the Pokal cup when brining TT into this. Its not competitive because of the financial mismatch between PSG and the others... A bit like Scotland...

So would Chelsea appoint Niel Lennon for example after his exploits at Celtic, would CFC appoint Gerrard if he wins a domestic league double up there? hmmm... A poser on this Wednesday morning. 

All if's and buts, so lets see what entertainment is served up by two clubs tomorrow night. Have a good day folks. 

Edited March 3, 20215 yr by cfcwomble

1 hour ago, cfcwomble said:

I wouldn't do this as a Chelsea fan... Klopp is a tier one manager, there are few left but Chelsea stopped dining at that table years ago and the best names in the game are now unlikely to come to us other than for a pension windfall. Tuchel is simply a best from the rest category unless he wins where he can elevate his own reputation. 

This same was said when we appointed Conte.

"He's such a downgrade on Jose and so underwhelming compared to Simeone". He turned out to be miles better than both.

1 hour ago, cfcwomble said:

Klopp wouldn't have lasted romans firing gun with the slump Liverpool have been on... Yet he's still there. 

And why did Liverpool get Klopp in the first place? Because they were sharp in sacking his predecessors whereas Arsenal (the other club he was linked with) pissed about with Wenger for the sake of stability.

1 hour ago, cfcwomble said:

Klopp wouldn't have lasted romans firing gun with the slump Liverpool have been on... Yet he's still there. We sacked Carlo after winning a double... Anyhow, TT will more than likely be gone if he fails to get top 4. Id go British, wait until the euros and go for Steve holland. 

 

Carlo was brought in for his European pedigree (he said as much as in his first presser with us).

In his two years with us he not only failed to get close to Big Ears he couldn't even match the best efforts of ANY of our previous managers in the competition. And that's before I mention how easily we were rolled over by Inter and United.

So given that he was always going to be introuble despite good domestic results.

Furthermore why are the rules different with players and managers? Not long after Ancelotti's dismissal many fans wanted ruthless action taken against many of the double winning players (ironically Frank being one of them) because they were supposedly derailing AVB's "project" so why is that acceptable?

3 minutes ago, Dean said:

Makes sense though maybe James over CHO

Yes could be James. 

Would CHO pin back Robertson more?

9 minutes ago, Argo said:

many fans wanted ruthless action taken against many of the double winning players (ironically Frank being one of them) because they were supposedly derailing AVB's "project" so why is that acceptable?

That certainly was not the case on this forum at the time.

15 minutes ago, cfcwomble said:

I think the point is that Conte, Wenger, Carlo have all won consistent league titles and cups. Spain, Italy, EPL... etc. It really depends on how you view Ligue 1 and the Pokal cup when brining TT into this. Its not competitive because of the financial mismatch between PSG and the others... A bit like Scotland...

So would Chelsea appoint Niel Lennon for example after his exploits at Celtic, would CFC appoint Gerrard if he wins a domestic league double up there? hmmm... A poser on this Wednesday morning. 

All if's and buts, so lets see what entertainment is served up by two clubs tomorrow night. Have a good day folks. 

Surely it can't work both ways? Can he be judged for not toppling a club with superior resources (but got very close) but then equally have actually winning with the best resourced club watered down?

Tuchel has proven he can get a team challenging with a club with higher resources and top managers (which will too an extent be needed here up against City and Pep), he's also demonstrated he can deal with ego's and keep them onside (another thing that's needed here), he's also got a strong history with improving players (we've got impressionable young players) and he's proven he can handle a cauldron of pressure (which is also needed here).

Time will tell how it ends but I think he's a good fit for us currently.

5 minutes ago, Argo said:

6 minutes ago, Argo said:

This same was said when we appointed Conte.

"He's such a downgrade on Jose and so underwhelming compared to Simeone". He turned out to be miles better than both.

And why did Liverpool get Klopp in the first place? Because they were sharp in sacking his predecessors whereas Arsenal (the other club he was linked with) pissed about with Wenger for the sake of stability.

Carlo was brought in for his European pedigree (he said as much as in his first presser with us).

In his two years with us he not only failed to get close to Big Ears he couldn't even match the best efforts of ANY of our previous managers in the competition. And that's before I mention how easily we were rolled over by Inter and United.

So given that he was always going to be introuble despite good domestic results.

Furthermore why are the rules different with players and managers? Not long after Ancelotti's dismissal many fans wanted ruthless action taken against many of the double winning players (ironically Frank being one of them) because they were supposedly derailing AVB's "project" so why is that acceptable?

 

Carlo has won 3 European cups. Won us the double in his first season which is usually a good spring board to go on and compete at the champions league.

See Alex Fergusson career... 

Conte won three back to back titles and the premier league and FA Cup but then had an epic meltdown a five year old would be proud of.

Jose delivered back to back titles, cups and a side that stuck around for nearly a decade. 

Wenger delivered a ligue 1 title and cup when it was competitive, same in Japan and in the Premier League. 

I see the bar is raised high with you Argo.... ? you raise the subject of fans, yes, Chelsea fans leave a lot to be desired since weve become a winning club. See sarri and Benitez appointments and fans displeasure... ?? 

Im not sure what results your expecting to be different with Tuchel, enjoy the ride under him I guess.. But I wouldn't mind some entertaining football at some point. 

 

16 minutes ago, cfcwomble said:

Carlo has won 3 European cups. Won us the double in his first season which is usually a good spring board to go on and compete at the champions league.

See Alex Fergusson career... 

Conte won three back to back titles and the premier league and FA Cup but then had an epic meltdown a five year old would be proud of.

Jose delivered back to back titles, cups and a side that stuck around for nearly a decade. 

Wenger delivered a ligue 1 title and cup when it was competitive, same in Japan and in the Premier League. 

I see the bar is raised high with you Argo.... ? you raise the subject of fans, yes, Chelsea fans leave a lot to be desired since weve become a winning club. See sarri and Benitez appointments and fans displeasure... ?? 

Im not sure what results your expecting to be different with Tuchel, enjoy the ride under him I guess.. But I wouldn't mind some entertaining football at some point. 

 

In what way are you defining results?

If you mean will Tuchel stay a long time? Probably not, but i don't really care. I'm not fixated on long term manager's (it's a romantic notion brought about through the ultimate anomaly SAF in my opinion), if we can find one great if not he changes just like we change a player who isn't cutting it or bench a player who's declined. If Tuchel completely flops then he leaves and we go again, if he's successful but stagnates both parties move on and go again. Arsenal are trying to do this long term manager project thing with Arteta and look how that's going. 

Am I confident we will have a high peak under TT? Yes, will it be enough to win the title? Hard to tell with that ridiculous City side around, we could have a points tally which would usually be enough but may not be this time (funnily enough that was the case in TT year facing Pep at Dortmund).

There's more than one way to gain stability, for example how many captains did United and Arsenal have while Terry was skipper at Stamford Bridge?

Edited March 3, 20215 yr by Argo