28 minutes ago, Argo said:

Inter won't take him back, they've objectively upgraded with Dzeko.

Our best hope is Paris panic buying him as Mbappe's replacement. Maybe Atletico at a push could be keen. 

I mean, PSG wouldn't be a bad fit for him. Basically guaranteed to win the league damn near every year, score bags and bags of goals and he speaks French.. He can win some trophies since he's barely won any and he's 28

Edited January 21, 20224 yr by chiefBlueCFC

1 hour ago, Argo said:

I'm not for one second saying the system is perfect ofcourse it isn't, but there's basics a footballer has to do regardless of what's behind him.

Do you think even our version of Eto'o would be doing this bad in this team let alone Drogba or Costa?

Any striker of their ilk would be having the exact same problems as lukaku, Costa would try an kill Tuchel for this lack of involvement in a game.

2 hours ago, dkw said:

How anyone can claim its all Lukakus fault after watching how terrible our attack has been pretty much since Tuchel arrived is beyond me. Lukaku has to take his share with some terrible displays and lack of effort at times. But for everything good Tuchel has done since he came here with the defence and midfield control he hasnt moved our attack on in the slightest, in fact its regressed with us relying on individual goals from full backs (mostly), set pieces and penalties. Lukaku was brought in to score goals, he best scores goals when a team plays to his strengths. So Tuchel had 3 choices, change our style and formation to suit him, stick with how we play knowing it wont suit him at all, not play him. Unfortunately he has picked option 2, and we are where we are now. This was always a possibility when we were so reliant on being defensively tight and controlling, if that falls down throw form or injuries then we had very little chance of taking the games to teams and attacking to win.

So if he sticks with option 2 for the rest of this season then we are screwed and will likely not win a trophy and be battling for 4th. 

So what would you suggest as it appears TT is sticking to his guns here.

3 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

So what would you suggest as it appears TT is sticking to his guns here.

If he continues playing him in this way then he will be sacked.

3 minutes ago, dkw said:

Any striker of their ilk would be having the exact same problems as lukaku, Costa would try an kill Tuchel for this lack of involvement in a game.

But Costa would have kept hustling and found a way to impact the game, if anything the player's behind him having a shocker use to fire him up even more. Ofcourse he wasn't perfect as we ultimately found out but while he was here he almost always delivered the goods when we needed him.

That's the crucial difference between the two.

3 minutes ago, dkw said:

If he continues playing him in this way then he will be sacked.

Exactly what I expect will happen.

7 hours ago, Hall said:

Sure, why don’t compare him Neymar he can takes on 4 guys and score. Player have some abilities why not compare headers won by Jotta vs Lukaku.

What I said is regardless of Lukaku, somehow we didn't manage to find a decent player for a good price like Liverpool found Jota, since Kante. 

If Lewandowski leaves in the summer he could be a good replacement for him at Bayern. He’d love being in a virtually uncontested league bullying dog sh*t defenders for a few years before he starts saying how much he misses West Brom

11 hours ago, dkw said:

If he continues playing him in this way then he will be sacked.

Looks like sacked it will be @dkw

Thomas Tuchel:

"It is absoutley wrong (to change Chelsea's style of play to suit Lukaku) because it is focusing on one player.

He is a key player but this is for me the wrong approach.

It's a team sport, not about ten players serving one player.

This is not Chelsea or football. Every player serves one team, this will never change."

On this hill TT makes his stand. 

One @Argo and I agree with, everyone should serve the team above all else and Lukaku is not showing to me he wants to be a team player.

Needs to be sold as soon as possible, really don't understand the support on here for the guy, he's completely embarrassed and disrespected the club, at best he's a basic footballer with not much going on up top carrying too much timber.

As a club we are huge compared to his achievements.

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Looks like sacked it will be @dkw

Thomas Tuchel:

"It is absoutley wrong (to change Chelsea's style of play to suit Lukaku) because it is focusing on one player.

He is a key player but this is for me the wrong approach.

It's a team sport, not about ten players serving one player.

This is not Chelsea or football. Every player serves one team, this will never change."

On this hill TT makes his stand. 

One @Argo and I agree with, everyone should serve the team above all else and Lukaku is not showing to me he wants to be a team player.

What do you mean by team player ?

 

I dont see Tuchel getting sacked at all, every reports i have read, and the board love him. So as long as he is remaining diplomatic, and isnt losing the dressing room, I think he is pretty safe in a job. 

Coming through a bit of a dodgy spell now, but im still very confident we at least finish 3rd, with how favourable the fixtures are.

If Lukaku had taken and scored Jorginho's pens, would the narrative be any different? 

He would be on 12 goals, and closing in to that 20 goal mark that no one has hit for us since Costa. 

 

13 minutes ago, big blue said:

If Lukaku had taken and scored Jorginho's pens, would the narrative be any different? 

He would be on 12 goals, and closing in to that 20 goal mark that no one has hit for us since Costa. 

 

Why would he need penalties in order to convince everyone that he's a great striker, we already have a penalty taker that's not the reason why we signed him for 100m.

Now if we look closely, what were the games where Lukaku could have taken the penalties from Jorginho in the first place? The 4:0 win against Malmö, the 3:1 win against Villa and the 3:2 win against Leeds? That alone would have given him 3 more goals in total but only 1 of those matches weren't already won, against Villa he scored and won the penalty so he did great there regardless of not taking the penalty but scoring from the spot for the win against Leeds doesn't change his lack of input in the last 2 games anyway, all those games are old news.

10 minutes ago, big blue said:

If Lukaku had taken and scored Jorginho's pens, would the narrative be any different? 

He would be on 12 goals, and closing in to that 20 goal mark that no one has hit for us since Costa. 

 

No, because the bare minimum I expected from Lukaku was to score goals against weaker opposition. The fact that he hasn't even managed to do that makes this signing even more disastrous than I feared it would be.

What would have changed my mind about Lukaku is him improving on his weaknesses and not distrupting what we were building, he (unsurprisingly) has failed in both areas. Our end product was poor without him, but it's no longer just end product that is bad, it's also the pressing game from the attackers which was so valuable against the top sides. Werner, Mount and Havertz were great at this, even Pulisic had his moments, but Lukaku's pressing game is complete garbage. The guy looks exhausted trying to turn, he just can't do it. 

27 minutes ago, big blue said:

If Lukaku had taken and scored Jorginho's pens, would the narrative be any different? 

He would be on 12 goals, and closing in to that 20 goal mark that no one has hit for us since Costa. 

 

Not for me. He still need to do better

4 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Looks like sacked it will be @dkw

Thomas Tuchel:

"It is absoutley wrong (to change Chelsea's style of play to suit Lukaku) because it is focusing on one player.

He is a key player but this is for me the wrong approach.

It's a team sport, not about ten players serving one player.

This is not Chelsea or football. Every player serves one team, this will never change."

On this hill TT makes his stand. 

One @Argo and I agree with, everyone should serve the team above all else and Lukaku is not showing to me he wants to be a team player.

That's just idiotic, I hope he realises there's middle ground on this, don't change the system entirely but evolve it to suit the players you have. If we keep playing like this, he keeps picking lukaku, and we keep playing as we are then he has basically set himself up to fail.

1 hour ago, dkw said:

That's just idiotic, I hope he realises there's middle ground on this, don't change the system entirely but evolve it to suit the players you have. If we keep playing like this, he keeps picking lukaku, and we keep playing as we are then he has basically set himself up to fail.

The simple answer is; don't f**king play the guy. The board have to take responsibility as well and accept that he is NOT cut out for this team, this league and this level of football; his season in Italy against 'poor in comparison' defences and in a team built to stroke his horrendously obnoxious ego has conned us. 

 

TT is facing the problem that he knows Lukaku shouldn't be sniffing anywhere near an appearance unless a game is done and dusted but can't freeze him out because the childish and arrogant one will start bleating, bitching and moaning to all possible outlets that will listen to his drivel. Why should TT change a system for him? He has proved absolutely nothing to justify TT revamping an entire team; Lukaku stinks the place out and we are a far more effective team without him.

 

It wont happen but if the club had a set of bollocks that actually sides with the blatantly f**king obvious side for once, that this isn't the manager, proceeding to have a quiet word in the ear of big Rom 'were sorry fella, but this isn't quite working so we will he listening to offers in the summer'. Pack the lads bags, accept your losses and for f**k sake, move on. Bring Broja back in and maybe try and scout out someone that is younger, hungrier and would actually put a shift in for the shirt.

 

Literally hate what we've become this season after such a promising transition and a lot of it has come down to Romelu Lukaku. 

Giroud strengths never really suited the system (after Conte left) but he knuckled down, worked hard, accepted his limitations and made a difference where he could. 

He was largely ignored by Lampard for over half a season yet still came in held no grudges gave his all and scored some vital goals in the top four hunt (and we all know what that top four finish led too).

Tuchel didn't really play him after taking over but one of the few times he was needed, winning goal against Atletico.

Can you even imagine the chaos Lukaku would cause if put in a similar situation? One is class act and the other is well, an act.

4 hours ago, big blue said:

If Lukaku had taken and scored Jorginho's pens, would the narrative be any different? 

He would be on 12 goals, and closing in to that 20 goal mark that no one has hit for us since Costa. 

 

If he keeps starting every game he might do anyway, even Torres managed a 20 plus goal season when given favourable treatment.

Won't be nearly enough with the negatives he brings on and off the pitch (unless he suddenly starts developing an amazing all round game).

Edited January 22, 20224 yr by Argo

18 minutes ago, Argo said:

on't be nearly enough with the negatives he brings on and off the pitch (unless he suddenly starts developing an amazing all round game).

Nice little article that highlights some of the things he does do.

https://siphillipstalkschelsea.substack.com/p/why-chelsea-arent-getting-the-best?r=ano63&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&s=09

If anything the biggest problem is that no one is able to capitalize on Lukaku occupying defenders, dragging them out of position and laying it off to the likes of Kante, Mount and Odoi. Lukaku is not just a goalscorer, that is one big myth.

8 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Nice little article that highlights some of the things he does do.

https://siphillipstalkschelsea.substack.com/p/why-chelsea-arent-getting-the-best?r=ano63&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&s=09

If anything the biggest problem is that no one is able to capitalize on Lukaku occupying defenders, dragging them out of position and laying it off to the likes of Kante, Mount and Odoi. Lukaku is not just a goalscorer, that is one big myth.

We never truly gave Eden Hazard the tools to properly succeed here, he did anyway. If Lukaku was the great player he himself says he is then he'll do the same.

System tax only comes if a player works hard and/or still makes big impacts on the game. The odd lay off when he makes 8 touches in one half doesn't cut it infact I'll say it's up there with the Torres is still good at defending corners line Benitez used to justify constantly playing him.

Edited January 22, 20224 yr by Argo

7 hours ago, Bob stark said:

What do you mean by team player ?

 

Since the interview his body language and lack of effort is showing me he does not really want to be part of this team.

7 hours ago, tmarmsi said:

Needs to be sold as soon as possible, really don't understand the support on here for the guy, he's completely embarrassed and disrespected the club, at best he's a basic footballer with not much going on up top carrying too much timber.

As a club we are huge compared to his achievements.

Reminds me of of some on here defending / sticking up for Willian, when he was way past his sell by date. Sentiment should not be shown when playing football. He left for money and his greed blew up in his face at  arsenal. Lukaku only came here for the money, not sentiment, and look how he repaid us. He is nothing short of a useless lying c**t.

7 minutes ago, Kev56 said:

Reminds me of of some on here defending / sticking up for Willian, when he was way past his sell by date. Sentiment should not be shown when playing football. He left for money and his greed blew up in his face at  arsenal. Lukaku only came here for the money, not sentiment, and look how he repaid us. He is nothing short of a useless lying c**t.

You got to be joking. No willian no top 4, no cl title last year.