1 hour ago, RMH said:

One of the effects of covid-19 is an inflammation of the heart tissues, but according to doctors this seems to be more problematic in children. I have a friend that had to take her little girl of 9 to intensive care unit because of heart inflammation after she had passed covid-19 several weeks before (fortunately, kids seem to recover well from this kind of problems). Her doctor mentioned my friend that they are seeing this in about 1% of children that have had covid. I also have another friend whose son of 25 is now waiting for kidneys transplant due to covid-19. These two cases I know of first hand were all before the vaccine. The vaccine is preventing many deaths and health issues, and a twat contradicting in Twatter all the hundreds of scientific publications with proper experiments and evidence, is just an opinionated arse.

The problem is they want the population to vaccinate little children despite the fact that there is no real need for it all things considered, the major mortality rate of this virus is basically happening in the 80+ year olds and in some countries the age number is higher than the average life expectancy.

I don't have a kid but if I had children I wouldn't want to vaccinate them at all, I personally think it's a disgrace that they are trying to that considering the huge spike of the potential danger that they might have, at least they did withdraw one vaccine from some company after it was too much obvious what harm it did to many young teenagers. Sure you can find individual cases for both arguments but if you look at the big picture it's hard for me to agree that little children should be vaccinated, that's just my opinion.

7 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

I mean, Spurs and United have seen COVID cases rip through their squads in recent weeks which highlights such how contagious the virus still is.

The fixture list is already congested and constant postponements aren't really an option but we're seeing it already and it's not even winter yet.

This is before you even think about how having 50k people all using trains, buses etc to get to stadiums is basically the exact opposite of the advice being given about social distancing, avoiding large gatherings etc.

I completely agree that after 2 years we need to being our best to return to "normal" but at the same time we can't irresponsibly and blindly just charge headlong into situations that could make things worse further down the line.

Hopefully the push for booster jabs will help to avoid the need to stop fans attending games and to stop a situation where the league may need to be suspended.

It would take something truly absurd for the league to be suspended again. The only reason it happened even in the first lockdown was because they had no access to testing resources at that point, if they did it would have carried on even then.

2 hours ago, Sindre said:

I'm fully vaccinated.

But it is a bit peculiar there have seemingly been a significant spike in cardiac events recently. I couldn't say it's due to the vaccine and I hope not but there is no doubt there has seemingly been more events than usual. Both in the stands and on the pitch. Couple of days ago someone collapsed in Ligue 1 as well if i'm not mistaken.

 

3 hours ago, Santa said:

Le Tiss is

I don't want to talk too much about this because it's not my station but off the top of my head Ageuro and Marvin Morgan had health issues prior to vaccines while Charlie Wyke and Eriksen were both unvaccinated at the time of their incident.

And ofcourse as @ForeverCarefree has pointed out there's Kimmich's illness that would have been a conspiracy theoriests dream if it wasn't for the awkward fact he never had the jab.

Edited December 15, 20214 yr by Argo

There was a footballer in the lower leagues that had to be saved through CPR and people were saying that he was not vaccinated through a club statement, but I couldn't find that statement.

Johanna Konta retired recently through heart issues and she confirmed that she was definitely not vaccinated.

AstraZeneca caused clots in rare cases but they found the reason why recently so I assume they will ammend that vaccine.

The vaccines can cause you to get covid symptoms but who knows about the long term damage compared to just getting covid if you react badly to the vaccines, most of the stories I hear are anecdotal from anonymous posters so I have to take those with a grain of salt.

Ultimately if I was a betting man and had to be amongst people, then I would take it. But the absolute safest path is to not take it and isolate for as long as possible, the longer you wait the more they will know about the virus and the better the solutions will be.

 

One thing that's becoming apparent as a result of all the lockdown and seclusion is child cruelty is increasing with cases of babies children being murdered by their own guardians, with cruelty on a level that's hard to imagine. 

At least if we go into another lockdown, Pulisic will sort us out.

6 hours ago, coco said:

One thing that's becoming apparent as a result of all the lockdown and seclusion is child cruelty is increasing with cases of babies children being murdered by their own guardians, with cruelty on a level that's hard to imagine. 

Absolutely shocking. Evil bastards. I don’t know if it’s because I’m getting older I’m getting softer or if it’s because I have grandchildren of the age but these news reports bring me to tears. 

Graham Potter left unhappy Brightons game was made to go ahead while Watford and United had games postponed:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11741/12496970/graham-potter-questions-premier-leagues-coronavirus-postponement-stance

Thinks it is only a matter of time before season is suspended.

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Graham Potter left unhappy Brightons game was made to go ahead while Watford and United had games postponed:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11741/12496970/graham-potter-questions-premier-leagues-coronavirus-postponement-stance

Thinks it is only a matter of time before season is suspended.

That was said last season at Christmas. 

Sadly a spell BCD is looking very a real possibility but it would take something extraordinary for a suspension, the only reason it happened the first lockdown was because of lack of testing capacity.

14 minutes ago, Argo said:

That was said last season at Christmas. 

Sadly a spell BCD is looking very a real possibility but it would take something extraordinary for a suspension, the only reason it happened the first lockdown was because of lack of testing capacity.

Probably all the leagues will face a situation of get games played or forfeits happen as Fifa won't want it affecting the world cup.

Just now, axman2526 said:

Probably all the leagues will face a situation of get games played or forfeits happen as Fifa won't want it affecting the world cup.

If it comes to it they will bubble the players again.

What's forgotten is even in the first lockdown the suspension was delayed for aslong as possible. We were due for a full weekend fixture list until Arteta got it and even then it was only the Arsenal game off until Callum got it, and even after that Spurs and a few other teams carried on training for a few days on the assumption the suspension was a 2 week fire break. Serie A associates went a step further and let Milan play at the San Siro even after Lombardy was in peril.

They will exhaust every single option until a suspension even becomes a remote consideration.

8 minutes ago, Argo said:

If it comes to it they will bubble the players again.

What's forgotten is even in the first lockdown the suspension was delayed for aslong as possible. We were due for a full weekend fixture list until Arteta got it and even then it was only the Arsenal game off until Callum got it, and even after that Spurs and a few other teams carried on training for a few days on the assumption the suspension was a 2 week fire break. Serie A associates went a step further and let Milan play at the San Siro even after Lombardy was in peril.

They will exhaust every single option until a suspension even becomes a remote consideration.

I mean there were a couple of exceptions for us but football behind closed doors is mostly always soulless. 

5 hours ago, Argo said:

If it comes to it they will bubble the players again.

What's forgotten is even in the first lockdown the suspension was delayed for aslong as possible. We were due for a full weekend fixture list until Arteta got it and even then it was only the Arsenal game off until Callum got it, and even after that Spurs and a few other teams carried on training for a few days on the assumption the suspension was a 2 week fire break. Serie A associates went a step further and let Milan play at the San Siro even after Lombardy was in peril.

They will exhaust every single option until a suspension even becomes a remote consideration.

The suspension occurred before the lockdown was announced by the government. I had a ticket for the Villa away game on the 14/3 and it got suspended that weekend. The government announced first lockdown on the 23/3 if I remember correctly. Basically, everyone was waiting for the government to do something and in the end work places and the FA closed down before the government decided on the lockdown. Having said that, I don’t think we’ll see the PL being suspended any time soon if they can keep teams playing with reserves.

They are 100% going to suspend the season within the next few days. Even a firebreaker til Boxing day is a good idea. Players are dropping like flies.

And it doesn't help that only about 75% of players in the PL have been vaccinated. Stupid f**kwits. 

Yeah, looks like there are just too many cases at too many clubs right now.

A break may actually be good for our chances though tbh. So I wouldn't mind.

 

31 minutes ago, RMH said:

The suspension occurred before the lockdown was announced by the government. I had a ticket for the Villa away game on the 14/3 and it got suspended that weekend. The government announced first lockdown on the 23/3 if I remember correctly. Basically, everyone was waiting for the government to do something and in the end work places and the FA closed down before the government decided on the lockdown. Having said that, I don’t think we’ll see the PL being suspended any time soon if they can keep teams playing with reserves.

What I mean it took Arteta and Hudson Odoi to go down with it before the decision was made, without that we were genuinely going to get a full weekend schedule with packed crowds. It was those two catching it that forced the FA's hand.

If we got to the 23rd with players and staff still untouched the FA would have probably tried to keep it going (although I doubt they would have been allowed that time round given there was no capacity to test footballers).

Although it would be pretty eerie if something happens after playing Everton at home again, even if it's just a weekend off or a shift to BCD (my predicted worst case scenario's).

Edited December 16, 20214 yr by Argo

Last time we needed to lockdown because we were sitting ducks, like tinder in a summer forest. This time the majority are either fully vaccinated or have had covid and now have some immunity. 

Had my third jab this morning. Have told work that one of my side effects is priapism so it is up to them whether they want me back in the office.

13 minutes ago, PloKoon13 said:

Had my third jab this morning. Have told work that one of my side effects is priapism so it is up to them whether they want me back in the office.

Many colleagues could be interested.

7 hours ago, Argo said:

If it comes to it they will bubble the players again.

What's forgotten is even in the first lockdown the suspension was delayed for aslong as possible. We were due for a full weekend fixture list until Arteta got it and even then it was only the Arsenal game off until Callum got it, and even after that Spurs and a few other teams carried on training for a few days on the assumption the suspension was a 2 week fire break. Serie A associates went a step further and let Milan play at the San Siro even after Lombardy was in peril.

They will exhaust every single option until a suspension even becomes a remote consideration.

Of course they will. Can't afford to lose the millions. 

Calls are being made to suspended the fixtures for the coming week after this one. Weekend league fixtures and mid week league cup ones.

Brentfords manager leading the calls, others following.

Apparently 3 of our players tested positive...

What is the point in playing this then?

Edited December 16, 20214 yr by wizardous

9 minutes ago, wizardous said:

Apparently 3 of our players tested positive...

What is the point in playing this then?

4 including Kova. How many tomorrow?

3 hours ago, PloKoon13 said:

Had my third jab this morning. Have told work that one of my side effects is priapism so it is up to them whether they want me back in the office.

That would be good for the Jimmy Johnson (a former elite Nascar driver, who has an unfortunate name imo).