1 hour ago, Munkworth said:

22 hours ago, Munkworth said:

At least we’d have some decent carpeting and maybe a few Fun & Laughter Bars (chocolate sh*te in a nutty cuddle) for sale at The Bridge!

Exactly, and ‘Hairrrrrrrrr iiiiiislandd headwear for his adoring fans

There is this great big myth going around that Tuchel is making our attackers look worse than they are these days.
So it would be interesting to compare their output under Lampard and compare it to their output under Tuchel this season:

Havertz under Lampard: 1 goal and 3 assists in 18 appearances.

Werner under Lampard: 4 goal and 5 assists in 19 appearances.

Ziyech under Lampard: 1 goal and 3 assists in 10 appearances

Mount under Lampard: 2 goals and 1 open play assists in 18 apperances. Additional three assists from corners.

Pulisic under Lampard: 1 goal and zero assists in 12 appearances.

Hudson Odoi under Lampard: 1 goal and zero assists in 5 appearances.

Total: 82 appearances – 10 goals and 15 assists.

Under Tuchel:

 

Havertz – 2 goals and 1 assist in 16 appearances

Werner – 1 goal and 1 assist in 11 appearances

Ziyech – 3 goals and 2 assists in 13 appearances

Mount – 7 goals and 3 open play assists in 21 appearances. Additional three assists from set-pieces

Pulisic – 3 goals and zero assists in 12 appearances.

Hudson Odoi – 1 goal  and 2 assists in 15 appearances.

Total: 88 appearances – 17 goals and 12 assists.

Make up your own mind with that.

My opinion is that none of them are good enough. Mount can hopefully be moved back and have a future in midfield but even he's not good enough in attacking areas to be an attacker for us in my opinion.

Edited February 10, 20224 yr by Sindre

1 hour ago, Sindre said:

There is this great big myth going around that Tuchel is making our attackers look worse than they are these days.
So it would be interesting to compare their output under Lampard and compare it to their output under Tuchel this season:

Havertz under Lampard: 1 goal and 3 assists in 18 appearances.

Werner under Lampard: 4 goal and 5 assists in 19 appearances.

Ziyech under Lampard: 1 goal and 3 assists in 10 appearances

Mount under Lampard: 2 goals and 1 open play assists in 18 apperances. Additional three assists from corners.

Pulisic under Lampard: 1 goal and zero assists in 12 appearances.

Hudson Odoi under Lampard: 1 goal and zero assists in 5 appearances.

Total: 82 appearances – 10 goals and 15 assists.

Under Tuchel:

 

Havertz – 2 goals and 1 assist in 16 appearances

Werner – 1 goal and 1 assist in 11 appearances

Ziyech – 3 goals and 2 assists in 13 appearances

Mount – 7 goals and 3 open play assists in 21 appearances. Additional three assists from set-pieces

Pulisic – 3 goals and zero assists in 12 appearances.

Hudson Odoi – 1 goal  and 2 assists in 15 appearances.

Total: 88 appearances – 17 goals and 12 assists.

Make up your own mind with that.

My opinion is that none of them are good enough. Mount can hopefully be moved back and have a future in midfield but even he's not good enough in attacking areas to be an attacker for us in my opinion.

I'm looking forward to the counter argument LOL.

As the old adage goes :  "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear" :-) 

And of course the old Shed End favourite  "if you have to use facts to win your argument then you've already lost" ... ok I might have made that last one up LOL

16 hours ago, Sindre said:

There is this great big myth going around that Tuchel is making our attackers look worse than they are these days.
So it would be interesting to compare their output under Lampard and compare it to their output under Tuchel this season:

Havertz under Lampard: 1 goal and 3 assists in 18 appearances.

Werner under Lampard: 4 goal and 5 assists in 19 appearances.

Ziyech under Lampard: 1 goal and 3 assists in 10 appearances

Mount under Lampard: 2 goals and 1 open play assists in 18 apperances. Additional three assists from corners.

Pulisic under Lampard: 1 goal and zero assists in 12 appearances.

Hudson Odoi under Lampard: 1 goal and zero assists in 5 appearances.

Total: 82 appearances – 10 goals and 15 assists.

Under Tuchel:

 

Havertz – 2 goals and 1 assist in 16 appearances

Werner – 1 goal and 1 assist in 11 appearances

Ziyech – 3 goals and 2 assists in 13 appearances

Mount – 7 goals and 3 open play assists in 21 appearances. Additional three assists from set-pieces

Pulisic – 3 goals and zero assists in 12 appearances.

Hudson Odoi – 1 goal  and 2 assists in 15 appearances.

Total: 88 appearances – 17 goals and 12 assists.

Make up your own mind with that.

My opinion is that none of them are good enough. Mount can hopefully be moved back and have a future in midfield but even he's not good enough in attacking areas to be an attacker for us in my opinion.

Yes it is a myth 🤣🤣🤣

Edited February 11, 20224 yr by Bob stark

Thread resurrection time .... from deep in the bowels of page 9 LOL.

I noticed Toney scored twice today, and was wondering where he sat in the season's list of top goal scorers in the PL, and he's 3rd according to the BBC.

 

Most worryingly, there wasn't a single Chelsea player in the top 25 for either goals OR assists .... our forwards and attacking midfielders really do need to sort themselves the f**k out !!!!

St James' Park will be as good a place as any to start ... 

Our top assister in the league this season is Silva.

“Pulisic under Lampard: 1 goal” 

Pulisic scored a hat trick at Burnley SFL was manager ? 

2 minutes ago, General said:

“Pulisic under Lampard: 1 goal” 

Pulisic scored a hat trick at Burnley SFL was manager ? 

I think Sindre was talking about the season Lampard was sacked, I don't think he was including the season before.

 

I laughed at the little goals inside the full size goals for shooting practice at 4:08

Despite the practice we still didn't score at the weekend.

If i was training them i would tell them, when you shoot, instead of trying to score, try to hit the post as hard as you can, literally practice it all day for a week, with that drilled into them they will start beating the keeper more, instead of just hitting it straight at him, or just either side of him, take the keeper out of the equation all together.

On 10/02/2022 at 11:12, Guest Sindre said:

There is this great big myth going around that Tuchel is making our attackers look worse than they are these days.
So it would be interesting to compare their output under Lampard and compare it to their output under Tuchel this season:

Havertz under Lampard: 1 goal and 3 assists in 18 appearances.

Werner under Lampard: 4 goal and 5 assists in 19 appearances.

Ziyech under Lampard: 1 goal and 3 assists in 10 appearances

Mount under Lampard: 2 goals and 1 open play assists in 18 apperances. Additional three assists from corners.

Pulisic under Lampard: 1 goal and zero assists in 12 appearances.

Hudson Odoi under Lampard: 1 goal and zero assists in 5 appearances.

Total: 82 appearances – 10 goals and 15 assists.

Under Tuchel:

 

Havertz – 2 goals and 1 assist in 16 appearances

Werner – 1 goal and 1 assist in 11 appearances

Ziyech – 3 goals and 2 assists in 13 appearances

Mount – 7 goals and 3 open play assists in 21 appearances. Additional three assists from set-pieces

Pulisic – 3 goals and zero assists in 12 appearances.

Hudson Odoi – 1 goal  and 2 assists in 15 appearances.

Total: 88 appearances – 17 goals and 12 assists.

Make up your own mind with that.

My opinion is that none of them are good enough. Mount can hopefully be moved back and have a future in midfield but even he's not good enough in attacking areas to be an attacker for us in my opinion.

You were 100% right mate, now Tuchel's gone our attacks still sh*t, except now our ability to create chances and control games has gone as well.

lucky Lukaku isn’t here anymore otherwise they gonna blame him for everything that’s wrong with our attack. I always tell you it’s because we play save rather then taking risk and no creativity in the midfield. Havertz is not a 9 so he won’t finish the little chance being created. Mount just got lucky has no creativity in him. That is why our real forward dont score.i hope he come back when there is a better coach then Potter.
Sterling was good because of Debruyne but he miss a lot of chances too. Auba a scale down version Lukaku.

Edited November 15, 20223 yr by Gcgoal2012

Once James is back I think Auba will start scoring again.

If Sterling has a free role up front he will be more effective too.

5 hours ago, Gcgoal2012 said:

lucky Lukaku isn’t here anymore otherwise they gonna blame him for everything that’s wrong with our attack. 

Our attack are at fault for many things but Lukaku's inability to control a football isn't one of them.

9 hours ago, Argo said:

Our attack are at fault for many things but Lukaku's inability to control a football isn't one of them.

What has ability to control the ball got you ?? Pulisic , Havertz , ziyech and Mount they all have that ability but can’t finish a clear chance. Or be the right position to score.

Does that ability to control bring you more goals 🙄( that is why all the other team outscore us). That is fancy trickery but we need goals and win.
even with not many minutes last year he is our topscorer. Imagine our backs aren’t injured last season and send the ball to him ( atleast 25 goals).

3 hours ago, Gcgoal2012 said:

What has ability to control the ball got you ?? Pulisic , Havertz , ziyech and Mount they all have that ability but can’t finish a clear chance. Or be the right position to score.

Does that ability to control bring you more goals 🙄( that is why all the other team outscore us). That is fancy trickery but we need goals and win.
even with not many minutes last year he is our topscorer. Imagine our backs aren’t injured last season and send the ball to him ( atleast 25 goals).

Just goes to show how poor our coaching has been, since D.Costa we can’t find a striker and he basically came as a finished product.

Tuchel could have continued with the false 9, either way that tactic was dependent heavily on wingbacks but Lukaku despite scoring a few was a flop.

I think that our forwards will score if chances are created and we stop passing the ball sideways and backwards when we should be driving forward

creativity seems to be our biggest issue .

5 hours ago, Gcgoal2012 said:

What has ability to control the ball got you ??

The UCL title.

5 hours ago, Gcgoal2012 said:

Does that ability to control bring you more goals 🙄( that is why all the other team outscore us). 

But he wasn't scoring any goals and before you bang on about service he rates himself on par with Benzema and Lewandowski, so based on the words that came out of his own big mouth he should have been performing and scoring goals regardless of what was happening behind him.

And about teams outscoring us, we outscored 3 of our 5 title winning teams last season.

fix our midfield and our attack will get much better in my opinion, watching the poor sods make shuttle runs while trying to get a pass as our midfielders f**k about for 10 minutes is soul destroying.

4 hours ago, hawkster said:

I think that our forwards will score if chances are created and we stop passing the ball sideways and backwards when we should be driving forward

creativity seems to be our biggest issue .

 

50 minutes ago, dkw said:

fix our midfield and our attack will get much better in my opinion, watching the poor sods make shuttle runs while trying to get a pass as our midfielders f**k about for 10 minutes is soul destroying.

THIS.

Our midfield has been average and lacking in any creativity for some time. Kante is great when he is fit and I still have hopes for Gallagher and like what I briefly saw of Carney, but until we upgrade on Jorginho, RLC and (sorry, I know he is a favourite with some), Kovacic, then we can kiss goodbye to challenging for any more honours.

 

1 hour ago, dkw said:

fix our midfield and our attack will get much better in my opinion, watching the poor sods make shuttle runs while trying to get a pass as our midfielders f**k about for 10 minutes is soul destroying.

We have watched Mount and Havertz for 3/4 seasons. Mount plays with Rice with England and he still cant dribble and create. Pulisic and Ziyech created 3 big chances between them VS Man City, Havertz and Mount between them all season have created 4.

Hazard got the most goal involvement in the PL with Jorginho as a DM. Willian was in the top 10 for BCC with Jorginho as a DM. Tammy Abraham got 15 PL goals and Jorginho assisted him more than Mount did. Mount got back to back player of the seasons.

Pulisic after lockdown was one of the best players in the league with Jorginho as a DM. Zaha creates and dribbles past players and he doesn't have a brilliant DM. It's hilarious to blame all our attackers poor performances on Jorginho and Kovacic etc.

6 hours ago, jack_super_class said:

We have watched Mount and Havertz for 3/4 seasons. Mount plays with Rice with England and he still cant dribble and create. Pulisic and Ziyech created 3 big chances between them VS Man City, Havertz and Mount between them all season have created 4.

Hazard got the most goal involvement in the PL with Jorginho as a DM. Willian was in the top 10 for BCC with Jorginho as a DM. Tammy Abraham got 15 PL goals and Jorginho assisted him more than Mount did. Mount got back to back player of the seasons.

Pulisic after lockdown was one of the best players in the league with Jorginho as a DM. Zaha creates and dribbles past players and he doesn't have a brilliant DM. It's hilarious to blame all our attackers poor performances on Jorginho and Kovacic etc.

You're honestly giving any credit to Jorginho for Hazard's outstanding performances? Like Jorginho had anything to do with Hazard, at times, winning us games single-handedley?

Yes, if we still had a match-winner like Hazard we wouldn't be so desperate for more quality in the midfield and we could continue to get by with J5, Kova and RLC, but unfortunately we don't and that's a big reason why that midfield needs badly refreshing because it just doesn't cut it any more.

31 minutes ago, Nibs said:

You're honestly giving any credit to Jorginho for Hazard's outstanding performances? Like Jorginho had anything to do with Hazard, at times, winning us games single-handedley?

Yes, if we still had a match-winner like Hazard we wouldn't be so desperate for more quality in the midfield and we could continue to get by with J5, Kova and RLC, but unfortunately we don't and that's a big reason why that midfield needs badly refreshing because it just doesn't cut it any more.

No, i'm saying our forwards aren't very good and blaming our attackers for being poor being down to Jorginho, Kovacic is hilarious. Im giving examples of attackers doing well with Jorginho and Kovacic in the  team.

And yes i know we need new midfielders, but buying new midfielders isn't all of a sudden going to make Havertz, Mount, Pulisic and the rest good and able to dribble and create.

It's not going to stop Havertz crossing the ball and it ending up for a throw in. Its nots going to stop Mount over hitting a simple pass. It's not going to stop Pulisic missing easy chances.

Edited November 16, 20223 yr by jack_super_class

12 hours ago, jack_super_class said:

No, i'm saying our forwards aren't very good and blaming our attackers for being poor being down to Jorginho, Kovacic is hilarious. Im giving examples of attackers doing well with Jorginho and Kovacic in the  team.

And yes i know we need new midfielders, but buying new midfielders isn't all of a sudden going to make Havertz, Mount, Pulisic and the rest good and able to dribble and create.

It's not going to stop Havertz crossing the ball and it ending up for a throw in. Its nots going to stop Mount over hitting a simple pass. It's not going to stop Pulisic missing easy chances.

It must be said that the football we played under Sarri had several players contributing with goals. Giroud had one of his best seasons with us, Pedro, Willian and Kante too and yes, Hazard had arguably his best season then as well when it comes to the sheer end product.
This is despite us not really scoring that many goals, but at least they did come from the front line players, under Tuchel most goals weren't scored from our attackers but despite that we scored more goals in total in comparison so it goes to show how our style of play has been different under different managers.

We also could see in the previous seasons just how many clear-cut chances our players missed, most famous for that was Werner for example.

So while there is a lot of truth in saying that our midfield simply doesn't produce enough end product, it's also safe to say that some teams that had much more goals scored from their front line didn't need their midfielders to have much assists, Liverpool is the prime example since they had several players that outscored our attackers, Salah, Jota, Mané and so on regularly outscored our wingers/strikers without any significant contribution from their midfielders.

I think that it's clear that we lack a real destroyer, since Diego Costa we haven't had a real striker that could by his own solve matches, meaning a player that gets the ball around the box and that could score from having some space and a defender in front of him. Our players don't beat defenders even when they do get the ball in a good area with enough time and space, the ball goes backwards. Broja got the ball in front, beat his attacker and took a shot that was saved in the recent times and that was very refreshing to see.

Both a new midfield core and attack is needed, that's my opinion.

Edited November 17, 20223 yr by Gol15