I'll give him a few months before I judge him, due to long spell out. But worrying performances so far.

40 minutes ago, Zeta said:

I'll give him a few months before I judge him, due to long spell out. But worrying performances so far.

Really? Think he has been good since he has come back myself. Poor touch that gifted the penalty though. Disasi was truly terrible at RB and had me cacking myself everytime he went near the ball tonight. God knows what it must have been like for Fofana having to play alongside and try to cover him.

Didn't think he was that bad other than the brain fart touch for the penalty.  Shut the Bournemouth left side down when moved out to RB.  Early days, but think this is one of the positive notes so far.

Was pretty ok - penalty apart. Even Tosin almost cost us.. but boy was Disassi poor or what..

He was pretty bad positioning wise but it's his first dodgy game of the season so he gets a pass. 

He had a few scary moments but I expect performances like this early especially after an international break. 
Top defender and he will show it!!

14 hours ago, Zeta said:

I'll give him a few months before I judge him, due to long spell out. But worrying performances so far.

Bar the dodgy pass that led to the penalty, he was solid. Colwill was more steady but Fofana generally looked really solid. It was at RB where we looked most vulnerable.

1 hour ago, STATS said:

Bar the dodgy pass that led to the penalty, he was solid. Colwill was more steady but Fofana generally looked really solid. It was at RB where we looked most vulnerable.

And probably will until one of the specialist RBs come back. Otherwise it's someone like Caicedo who is desperately needed elsewhere.

Thought he was decent apart from that hospital pass to Sanchez 

8 hours ago, Jangz said:

Was pretty ok - penalty apart. Even Tosin almost cost us.. but boy was Disassi poor or what..

Only the one error from Tosin, and aside from that, he was worlds and light years ahead of Fofana, looks like a real player, him & Colwill worked so well.

1 hour ago, Term_X said:

Only the one error from Tosin, and aside from that, he was worlds and light years ahead of Fofana, looks like a real player, him & Colwill worked so well.

Tosin didn’t have to cover for disaster disasi.. 

3 hours ago, Jangz said:

Tosin didn’t have to cover for disaster disasi.. 

Well, we’ll soon have enough games to assess it, early days.

Tosin looks the absolute business though, and given Fofana’s injury record it would certainly be in our best interests to let him and Colwill run the line more consistently now. 

I'm a big fan of Fofana but there were some Badiashille type moments in that game on Saturday. Think he and Colwill have the makings of a good partnership but I do want to see them stop putting their foot on the ball and waiting for the attacker to come at them. That has accident waiting to happen written all over it.

 

10 minutes ago, Nibs said:

I'm a big fan of Fofana but there were some Badiashille type moments in that game on Saturday. Think he and Colwill have the makings of a good partnership but I do want to see them stop putting their foot on the ball and waiting for the attacker to come at them. That has accident waiting to happen written all over it.

 

100%!

While I get the idea of tempting players in and pulling them out of position and passing around them, they don’t move the ball fast enough at times to get an attack moving. 

I think this is one of the drawbacks of not getting in an experienced defender to replace Silva and to guide Fofana and Colwill when to slow it down and when to speed it up for example.

2 hours ago, Nibs said:

I'm a big fan of Fofana but there were some Badiashille type moments in that game on Saturday. Think he and Colwill have the makings of a good partnership but I do want to see them stop putting their foot on the ball and waiting for the attacker to come at them. That has accident waiting to happen written all over it.

 

Then we probably need to change manager as this looks like a deliberate instruction for the manager.

40 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Then we probably need to change manager as this looks like a deliberate instruction for the manager.

It's to drag the opposition to create space for the midfielders. 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

It's to drag the opposition to create space for the midfielders. 

I don't see City or Arsenal doing it as much as we do to be honest. 

We were better with him at right back and Tosin in the middle. When/if both Reece and Gusto are injured, I think he should be the makeshift right back. Disasi at right back is just sad to watch.

20 minutes ago, Remodez said:

I don't see City or Arsenal doing it as much as we do to be honest. 

It's definitely a characteristic of ours. We've been doing it since Poch and I think most of the time it serves its purpose as it allows Caicedo/Enzo/Palmer to receive the ball on the turn to progress. 

If it wasn't for Sanchez, Bournemouth would have put at least 3 passed us, so I am struggling to see where all of these good performances came from. I thought the right side of Disasi and Fofana were rubbish against Bournemouth and Caicedo had to do the work of two midfielders AND track back and help the defence for their numerous problems with playing it out of the back. It was only around the 60 minute mark where we started to gain any control of the game and get the attackers involved. Before that, all of the attackers were left to feed off scraps because the midfield and defence just couldn't gain any kind of control.

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38 minutes ago, Remodez said:

I don't see City or Arsenal doing it as much as we do to be honest. 

Yeah, there are big differences. We wait, and wait, and wait, then we play a pass that doesn't really look all that confident. City, Arsenal, Liverpool, they move it quick around the defence, then as soon as the opposition presses just a tiny bit, it's played into midfield where they can turn and push the opposition back. I would love to see a side by side comparison of all 4 teams to demonstrate how much worse we are at it.

2 hours ago, El regreso said:

Then we probably need to change manager as this looks like a deliberate instruction for the manager.

I should have been more specific with what I don't like. A lot of teams now play out from the back and invite the opposition on, and if you get good at it, it's not a problem. My main gripe is that our defenders and Fofana in particular, were not just stopping with the ball, he was actually standing their with his foot ON the ball. It's as though he was saying "come on then, try and take it off me".  I don't like it as (a) it looks cocky and is disrespectful to the opposition and (b) you don't have as good a control of the ball and can easily lead to mistakes and our defenders have enough mistakes in them as it is.

 

Edited September 16, 20241 yr by Nibs

18 hours ago, Remodez said:

I don't see City or Arsenal doing it as much as we do to be honest. 

City and Arsenal have been playing like this for a lot longer than us. Hopefully it gets better as we gel. 
It opposite is we move it quicker lose the ball (which we do frequently) and expose ourselves.

17 hours ago, Nibs said:

I should have been more specific with what I don't like. A lot of teams now play out from the back and invite the opposition on, and if you get good at it, it's not a problem. My main gripe is that our defenders and Fofana in particular, were not just stopping with the ball, he was actually standing their with his foot ON the ball. It's as though he was saying "come on then, try and take it off me".  I don't like it as (a) it looks cocky and is disrespectful to the opposition and (b) you don't have as good a control of the ball and can easily lead to mistakes and our defenders have enough mistakes in them as it is.

 

I hate it too it’s bloody frustrating but it definitely an instruction from Maresca so I won’t be too hard on the players. They are trying to learn yet another new system with a new manager.

18 hours ago, Nibs said:

I should have been more specific with what I don't like. A lot of teams now play out from the back and invite the opposition on, and if you get good at it, it's not a problem. My main gripe is that our defenders and Fofana in particular, were not just stopping with the ball, he was actually standing their with his foot ON the ball. It's as though he was saying "come on then, try and take it off me".  I don't like it as (a) it looks cocky and is disrespectful to the opposition and (b) you don't have as good a control of the ball and can easily lead to mistakes and our defenders have enough mistakes in them as it is.

 

Colwill was taught this at Brighton

 It's meant to be cocky. It's meant to force your opposition to break their line to come at you and you play around them.