24 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

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Yep

Our best ever signing?

Btw, on some positive news. Graham Potter is undefeated in the CL so far this season. 😜

9 minutes ago, enigma said:

Btw, on some positive news. Graham Potter is undefeated in the CL so far this season. 😜

Also undefeated in the Southern League Cup. 

19 minutes ago, enigma said:

Btw, on some positive news. Graham Potter is undefeated in the CL so far this season. 😜

True, Chelsea may just be the first and only team winning the CL and get relegated in the same season😄

1 hour ago, Spiller86 said:

Our best ever signing?

 

 

 

Surely that's a personal and difficult one to answer.

Just realised that we only have 6 points from our last 9 league games under Potter, that's easily relegation form, I'm not sure we'll stay in the top half much longer at this rate.

4 hours ago, enigma said:

I remember the same things a subset of fans are saying about Potter, said the same about Sarri once he came. "he's never won a trophy, blah, blah, blah" but he came here and won a trophy. Is Di Matteo a better manager than Pep Guardiola because he has won the CL? No, of course not. The problem is there are a group of supporters who, no matter what, will continue blaming the coach for everything and have a very entitled mindset thinking we are Chelsea and deserve to be winning every game and challenging for every trophy. Not the way football works is it. Reality needs to kick in and people realise that we aren't the same Chelsea that Roman bought two decades ago. We are moving in a brand new direction and it will take time, probably more time than we imagined, but it is what it is. Suck it up. 

I stopped reading when you said if Di Matteo was better than Pep because Di Matteo won a UCL....the same Pep that has won two. 

Jokes aside is it entitled to want to win when you've spend £300m in the previous window. Or when you're the current reigning world champions, former ucl winners and clearly the second best team at knock out football in the country reaching both domestic finals?

It's not like we expect to win every game, we just expect to win some and to see the coach do his job and coach football that includes a coherent attack. I don't think anyone is really blaming Potter his inability to cope at this level isn't his fault sure he took the job, but who's realistically saying know to that wage? It's on Boehly he's got so much wrong including this appointment.

Just now, LongtimerLurker said:

I stopped reading when you said if Di Matteo was better than Pep because Di Matteo won a UCL....the same Pep that has won two. 

Jokes aside is it entitled to want to win when you've spend £300m in the previous window. Or when you're the current reigning world champions, former ucl winners and clearly the second best team at knock out football in the country reaching both domestic finals?

It's not like we expect to win every game, we just expect to win some and to see the coach do his job and coach football that includes a coherent attack. I don't think anyone is really blaming Potter his inability to cope at this level isn't his fault sure he took the job, but who's realistically saying know to that wage? It's on Boehly he's got so much wrong including this appointment.

No fan wants to see their club underachieve, whether that's Chelsea or Accrington Stanley. We've spent the most in the league this season, we should be expecting better than this.

8 hours ago, Zeta said:

You have to have faith. Look at Arteta's form in his first season at Arsenal:

D 2-2
L 1-2
L 1-3
W 2-1
L 0-1
L 1-3
W 3-0
L 1-2
W 3-0
L 0-2
D 1-1

3 wins in 11. 2 draws. 6 defeats. Now look where they are.

 

 

 

 

 

No wait, that is Roy Hodgson's form at Liverpool in 2010/2011.

You know, just because manager x had a sh*t start and managed to improve after a few years, doesn't mean manager y is going to do it as well.. Sometimes it's the wrong man for the job.

To play devil's advocate, we've tried the other option which is firing the manager immediately things start going wrong and while it has gained us success in the past, that success is usually short term before the club starts regressing and the manager gets fired. That method is no longer sustainable because of the league getting more competitive compared to how it was about 5 years ago. It is not completely a bad idea to try a different alternative this time.

8 hours ago, Victor90 said:

We are such a weird club. 

We are putting all of our faith and resources into this guy, from all the great managers we've had here in the history of the club, we're putting all our faith in Potter... Even if we do start picking up some wins, it'll all be for nothing because we're going to waste years of "transitioning" for the sake of this man who has relatively done nothing in the game whatsoever. 

That to me is more painful than any of the defeats we're getting right now. As fans we've unfortunately predicted so many bad signings and just had to cope and ride the nonsense out. Now it's the same with the manager, it's obvious this guy isn't the man for the job, injuries and bad form aside you can see he's not up to it. But we have to put up with it regardless until the club actually realises it... 

The 'blind faith' Potter argument doesn't work because there have been several world class managers at the club who fans (and players) have turned on after a bad run of form that wasn't even as bad as Potter. People keep saying that if this was a world class manager like Pep or Klopp they would be willing to give them time but I find that hard to believe. I've been supporting this club long enough to see fans turn on Scolari, Conte and Ancelotti. You put any other manager in Potters situation and nothing will change. Players will down tools and fans will call for their head. So many of the people who were calling for Tuchel's head at the start of the season for example have suddenly become Tuchel apologists.

31 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

The 'blind faith' Potter argument doesn't work because there have been several world class managers at the club who fans (and players) have turned on after a bad run of form that wasn't even as bad as Potter. People keep saying that if this was a world class manager like Pep or Klopp they would be willing to give them time but I find that hard to believe. I've been supporting this club long enough to see fans turn on Scolari, Conte and Ancelotti. You put any other manager in Potters situation and nothing will change. Players will down tools and fans will call for their head. So many of the people who were calling for Tuchel's head at the start of the season for example have suddenly become Tuchel apologists.

It's hard to say for certain mate, social media for example and forums like these only provide a small insight into all Chelsea fans opinions, same with match going fans. We can agree that large sections of the fans have turned on top managers here.

However, it's impossible to know for sure how we would treat Klopp or Pep. I do know if they were in a run like we are now some would call for them to be sacked. If TT, Mourinho or Anceolotti were on a run like this I would back them. Potter I wouldn't because they're just different tiers, I know the chances of the aforementioned managers turning things around are much higher than the latter. I would assume most Chelsea fans would take a similar approach

Previous ownership unintentionally created / strengthened this issue. Players knowing if they downed tools they would get a reset in the form of a new manager, nobody would judge them for the months of sh*t form, it was the manager all along.

I have an uncle who is a very high paid troubleshooter / consultant for corporations worth billions. They bring him in when a branch or department is not performing and they have tried all standard methods without success. He goes in and makes recommendations on what needs to change, who needs to go, etc, and then carry’s out the process. He has always told me every time when entering a toxic culture and making changes to correct that, 9 times out of 10 it WILL get worse before it gets better. 
 

I see the same thing happening here. I am genuinely happy these changes are being made. I don’t know if Potter is the right manager long term, but I do know that sacking him will only solidify the previous current/culture, which is if you don’t like something, play like s**t or just give far less s**ts, and sooner rather than later the problem will go away, and you will get a free pass because now you’re playing well again, so it must have been the manager. I’ve seen this happen too many times at CFC. I’m genuinely happy the club is attempting to do something about it. 
 

We have players worth hundreds of millions making basic errors. Repeatedly. That’s not management. That’s a man child with talent who has their head up their own a** because they have had it reinforced they get what they want being that way. 

 

11 hours ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

To play devil's advocate, we've tried the other option which is firing the manager immediately things start going wrong and while it has gained us success in the past, that success is usually short term before the club starts regressing and the manager gets fired. That method is no longer sustainable because of the league getting more competitive compared to how it was about 5 years ago. It is not completely a bad idea to try a different alternative this time.

I think people will believe more in a patient long term vision if the man at the helm has experience of the utmost highs as well as the lowest troughs. Therefore the question is whether Graham Potter has the tools to navigate through this.

It's not about changing the structure, changing the mentality and being patient whilst we evolve. It's about whether GP is the right person to be able to do this. Somebody else mentioned that there is a very real possibility that we have got the philosophy and objectives right, but we just happen to have picked the wrong guy to bring this about.

I hope not

1 hour ago, WhiteWall said:

I think people will believe more in a patient long term vision if the man at the helm has experience of the utmost highs as well as the lowest troughs. Therefore the question is whether Graham Potter has the tools to navigate through this.

It's not about changing the structure, changing the mentality and being patient whilst we evolve. It's about whether GP is the right person to be able to do this. Somebody else mentioned that there is a very real possibility that we have got the philosophy and objectives right, but we just happen to have picked the wrong guy to bring this about.

I hope not

Back Potter, spend 500m in the summer and if it doesn't work out, blame Tuchel and Roman. 

Trying to find a silver lining, could the Fulham match turn out to be a kind of capitulation low similar to that cup tie against Man U under Sarri in 2019 when he brought on Zappacosta? That was the low point of that season. I realise this is clutching at straws, but would add that an awful lot has gone wrong beyond Potter’s control. I think he and all the players are kind of shellshocked. The players just can’t  perform as confidence is shattered. I don’t think the players are downing their tools, as some suggest. They don’t WANT to lose matches. What’s the way out then?  sometimes it can just be a bit of luck - an against-the-odds win that boosts confidence.
 

Look, I’m trying 😂 

13 hours ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

The 'blind faith' Potter argument doesn't work because there have been several world class managers at the club who fans (and players) have turned on after a bad run of form that wasn't even as bad as Potter. People keep saying that if this was a world class manager like Pep or Klopp they would be willing to give them time but I find that hard to believe. I've been supporting this club long enough to see fans turn on Scolari, Conte and Ancelotti. You put any other manager in Potters situation and nothing will change. Players will down tools and fans will call for their head. So many of the people who were calling for Tuchel's head at the start of the season for example have suddenly become Tuchel apologists.

So how come,  ETH has turned Man Utd so quickly utilising more or less the same players  he had before and adding a few more? Getting Rashford to play so much better now. How come  Conte was able to come in mid season and get Spurs to a top 4. Look at Emery and the progress hes made with Aston Villa. Not mentioning Eddie Howe who was taken Newcastle upwards. Yes all teams have injuries but our team was a CL winning team. They couldn't have turned so bad overnight. 

Fans have a go at the new players signed in but they have had to play under 2 different managers, Club structural changes, about 4 different formations, some playing in a new league, all this in a short space of time. It will take time for them to settle and show their best. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Dean said:

Trying to find a silver lining, could the Fulham match turn out to be a kind of capitulation low similar to that cup tie against Man U under Sarri in 2019 when he brought on Zappacosta? That was the low point of that season. I realise this is clutching at straws, but would add that an awful lot has gone wrong beyond Potter’s control. I think he and all the players are kind of shellshocked. The players just can’t  perform as confidence is shattered. I don’t think the players are downing their tools, as some suggest. They don’t WANT to lose matches. What’s the way out then?  sometimes it can just be a bit of luck - an against-the-odds win that boosts confidence.
 

Look, I’m trying 😂 

I’d say the turning point was getting spanked 6-0 by City at the Ethiad and Sarri publicly questioning the players mentality. There was huge speculation Sarri would get sacked but the club stood by him and the player power diminished. Led to a string of good results, finished top 4 and battered Arsenal in a European final. 
 

Maybe the club sticking by Potter does the same thing. 

Todd has only played on the US sports stage. Very little experience of the global game that is football. Blown £300M already. Sacked loads of back up peeps eg Cech, and the medical team etc, plus of course TT. Given a long contract to a manager with supposed potential but no actual CV of worth. Current situation, meltdown. How long before the backers and lenders start questioning the whole venture ?

15 minutes ago, Edjmendy said:

So how come,  ETH has turned Man Utd so quickly utilising more or less the same players  he had before and adding a few more?

Lol you are joking? The players who were dragging them down last season are now on the bench.

They started their first two games of the season and look what happened. Take Casemiro and Varane out of that side and they're right beside us, never mind even more players to compare to our injury list.

21 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I’d say the turning point was getting spanked 6-0 by City at the Ethiad and Sarri publicly questioning the players mentality. There was huge speculation Sarri would get sacked but the club stood by him and the player power diminished. Led to a string of good results, finished top 4 and battered Arsenal in a European final. 
 

Maybe the club sticking by Potter does the same thing. 

Indeed. I guess it’s subjective. I was pretty supportive of Sarri against the grain. The Man U game and the Zappacosta moment was where I briefly threw in the towel. 

29 minutes ago, Argo said:

Lol you are joking? The players who were dragging them down last season are now on the bench.

They started their first two games of the season and look what happened. Take Casemiro and Varane out of that side and they're right beside us, never mind even more players to compare to our injury list.

They got exactly what we need, 2 central midfielders to control the game, it had a huge impact on their squad and has helped Ten Haag immensely. 

26 minutes ago, dkw said:

They got exactly what we need, 2 central midfielders to control the game, it had a huge impact on their squad and has helped Ten Haag immensely. 

Their first priority was to get top midfielders. When they couldn't get de Jong, they quickly bought Casemiro. Ours has been to get more wingers and attackers when our midfield is soo poor.

2 minutes ago, Edjmendy said:

Their first priority was to get top midfielders. When they couldn't get de Jong, they quickly bought Casemiro. Ours has been to get more wingers and attackers when our midfield is soo poor.

It's Potter at the wheel, how can you not doubt this man after what he has achieved in Sweden?

1 hour ago, Argo said:

Lol you are joking? The players who were dragging them down last season are now on the bench.

They started their first two games of the season and look what happened. Take Casemiro and Varane out of that side and they're right beside us, never mind even more players to compare to our injury list.

Today they beat City with Rashford, Shaw, Wan Bissaka as some of their best players. And all three of them got an endless amount of sh*t just last season. Varane too was really poor last season so he's had a massive impact on the players who's previously struggled at that club.

Is there even one player who's improved for us under Potter?

4 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

 

Is there even one player who's improved for us under Potter?

Silva has.