25 minutes ago, just said:

By the way Sindre, just to reiterate my opinion on Tuchel's sacking. I would have given him until the World Cup to try and turn things around I felt he definitely deserved that much. But there is no doubting there were obviously real problems behind the scenes. 

What would have been enough for things to have been 'turned around'? We were 6th with 10 points from 6 when he was sacked, 3 points off the top 4.

I think it's so hard to be able to get the balance right at this level, either your team is too negative but at least they don't conceded or they can score but they're open at the back.

Most of the top coaches can get that balance right, and funny enough I remember some of the logic behind hiring Potter was he supposedly had a good balance of this at Brighton so he must be able to bring it over here. 

Defensively we're probably better atm than the last few games under TT. Offensively we've dived off a a cliff. I also think Potter struggles with the gravity of the situation he finds himself in, the January spending hasn't helped lessen expectations. 

I think most of the time when you have new owners their first managerial appointment doesn't tend to be the one that gets them the desired results. I also feel like Potter wouldn't be the majority of the new board's ideal man to lead this project, I'm a firm believe Todd saw him and thought of him as the new shiny toy he could play with. 

As many have pointed out, as time goes by the new board who are now football people will have more of a say and input into Boehly's decisions. If Potter isn't good enough I don't think he'll be here by 2024 that's my belief. I could be very wrong though

21 minutes ago, coco said:

If you create a normal thread with your poll question and answers i will edit it and make it a poll, not sure why yours doesn't work.

Can you also add to his poll the option of "I think we would have a better chance with @Zetain charge"?

21 minutes ago, just said:

And yet, strangely, a lot of them were moaning and whining when he left them to join us. Wonder if there's any connection there?

One of those things that changes with the passage of time. No doubt the reaction of their fans was one of both betrayal in him leaving, and fearing a Chris Hughton like replacement.

Time has passed and their new manager, imo, has them playing better football and become a much bigger goal threat, at least for 5 months so far. Whereas I believe if you ran a poll among Chelsea fans if we think Potter is the man to bring us long term success I think most would say no.

That is 5 months on for both clubs after Potter left Brighton. How about in 17 more months? Passage of time again and we will see.

Potter may have won the title and CL and Brighton might be flirting with relegation and opinions will certainly have changed. Or we could be 12th with no trophies and Brighton may be top 6 both seasons. Or somewhere in between for both. 

We will see, too early to judge either manager, but my gut tells me Potter won't land us a major trophy.

8 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

I think it's so hard to be able to get the balance right at this level, either your team is too negative but at least they don't conceded or they can score but they're open at the back.

Most of the top coaches can get that balance right, and funny enough I remember some of the logic behind hiring Potter was he supposedly had a good balance of this at Brighton so he must be able to bring it over here. 

Defensively we're probably better atm than the last few games under TT. Offensively we've dived off a a cliff. I also think Potter struggles with the gravity of the situation he finds himself in, the January spending hasn't helped lessen expectations. 

I think most of the time when you have new owners their first managerial appointment doesn't tend to be the one that gets them the desired results. I also feel like Potter wouldn't be the majority of the new board's ideal man to lead this project, I'm a firm believe Todd saw him and thought of him as the new shiny toy he could play with. 

As many have pointed out, as time goes by the new board who are now football people will have more of a say and input into Boehly's decisions. If Potter isn't good enough I don't think he'll be here by 2024 that's my belief. I could be very wrong though

Badiashile seems to be the main reason we look better defensively now than under Tuchel, he looks miles better than Koulibaly. Other than that we don't look like we're set up well at all

25 minutes ago, TimesUpPotter said:

https://thetopflight.com/2021/12/01/graham-potters-brighton-fans/

Maybe but maybe not given they regularly booed him off the pitch when his Brighton team were playing their turgid football on some of their regular 2 month winless runs

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/19772961/graham-potter-brighton-fans-chelsea-open-letter/

2 hours ago, OriginalS said:

“I asked for two players and we were very, very close after we won the league. One player was Romelu Lukaku, the second player was Virgil van Dijk, and these two players were very, very close. We were in contact every day and I always said that with these two players we would improve my team by 30 per cent.

Stop bullsh*tting.

Inter overhauled the entire squad for Conte and he was still moaning.

We could have given Conte the most perfect window ever and he'd still have found a way to moan.

1 hour ago, Mário César said:

I would like to have conte again, tbh 

Maybe he can do something with this team. Imagine: Havert will get new role that suits him, Lukaku comming good again, Modryak becoming Hazart ,James becoming the world best winger like he did Hakimi and Mount will warm up the seats.  

Potter will be coach of Liverpool .

Potter will likely get a pass this season and we won’t make CL. However , you can guarantee that the pressure will ramp up on him once the financial pressure kicks in - no CL money is a massive problem. A couple of seasons out of the CL can really damage the clubs finances. Bohley will want answers. 

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

One of those things that changes with the passage of time. No doubt the reaction of their fans was one of both betrayal in him leaving, and fearing a Chris Hughton like replacement.

Time has passed and their new manager, imo, has them playing better football and become a much bigger goal threat, at least for 5 months so far. Whereas I believe if you ran a poll among Chelsea fans if we think Potter is the man to bring us long term success I think most would say no.

That is 5 months on for both clubs after Potter left Brighton. How about in 17 more months? Passage of time again and we will see.

Potter may have won the title and CL and Brighton might be flirting with relegation and opinions will certainly have changed. Or we could be 12th with no trophies and Brighton may be top 6 both seasons. Or somewhere in between for both. 

We will see, too early to judge either manager, but my gut tells me Potter won't land us a major trophy.

I am also not confident that Potter will land us a trophy. I can see him managing the transition and then being replaced. A bit like the way Ranieri managed the transition from the Vialli years to Jose.

I suspect another factor will be Vivell. He has clearly been behind the choices of signings in this past window, and I suspect the owners regularly converse with him about the players and coaching staff. If he feels that we need a different manager I imagine that would factor in high on their decision making.

53 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Potter will likely get a pass this season and we won’t make CL. However , you can guarantee that the pressure will ramp up on him once the financial pressure kicks in - no CL money is a massive problem. A couple of seasons out of the CL can really damage the clubs finances. Bohley will want answers. 

That’s the thing. If we see no progression this 2nd half of the season, I can very much see Boehly lose confidence in Potter being able to succeed next season, where we need to qualify for CL. He may act before the season ends. 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

That’s the thing. If we see no progression this 2nd half of the season, I can very much see Boehly lose confidence in Potter being able to succeed next season, where we need to qualify for CL. He may act before the season ends. 

Not just Todd. Depends how the other partners see it too and him much patience they have for losses before they expect a return.

Supposedly they believe they have the key as to how to get us to make as much, if not more, money as NFL teams which have a much smaller demographic.

Not to mention is United and Pool get taken over by middle eastern businessmen our worth, and spending, will make us look like Winsford United compared to what they can put in.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11716637/Chelsea-keeping-tabs-Luis-Enrique-amid-pressure-Graham-Potter.html

Amyone but Luis Enrique. Surely there must be an attacking minded manager out there making waves, maybe even one whos worked under Pep.

I have to say that Potter's post-match conferences, bland and boring as they may be to some, are to me a breath of fresh air.

Potter is about the only thing not embarassing about the club at the moment and his demeanour and grace is a far cry from our past cast of hysterical whingers, who wouldn't hestitate to blame the referees, the league, FIFA, UEFA, the reverse vampires and the lizard people for our expensive current malaise.

2 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

I have to say that Potter's post-match conferences, bland and boring as they may be to some, are to me a breath of fresh air.

Potter is about the only thing not embarassing about the club at the moment and his demeanour and grace is a far cry from our past cast of hysterical whingers, who wouldn't hestitate to blame the referees, the league, FIFA, UEFA, the reverse vampires and the lizard people for our expensive current malaise.

A lot of people equate Potter's composure in press conferences to him being weak. I think the modern fan is so used to managers blowing up to the press or throwing their players under the bus/ complaining about refs etc that when someone else doesn't do it then it means they are weak. There are many things to criticize Potter for but I never understand when people criticize his press decorum. We've seen it many times at our club that when managers start throwing the players under the bus in the press, they start turning against the manager.

3 hours ago, Oli said:

Amyone but Luis Enrique. Surely there must be an attacking minded manager out there making waves, maybe even one whos worked under Pep.

Spaletti?

Always thought Enrique was a decent manager. He’s got a decent record hasn’t he?

4 hours ago, Oli said:

Amyone but Luis Enrique. Surely there must be an attacking minded manager out there making waves, maybe even one whos worked under Pep.

Kompany

11 hours ago, OriginalS said:

Oversaw? He tried to burn down Marina's office after that shambolic window. Emenalo resigned on the spot (Conte and Emenalo worked great together) because they were overruled by Granovskaia. Everyone knows who he actually wanted that window.

I rate every league title extremely high. Only 4 managers have managed it in our entire history so yeah give me 1 league title any day. God knows Potter will never achieve it.

 

 

“Burn down the office” 😢🥺 . I mis the passion of Conte for football .  His fight last year next to the pitch

while Potter will be a gentleman about it “ oh well maybe we get champions league qualification  next year. We will do better ladies “.

if you want a passionate team you have to find a passionate coach first.

 

10 hours ago, just said:

Well, it's all about opinions. But for me, Potter plus points.

Played attractive football at Brighton. I enjoyed watching them play most games I saw.

Seemed to have a close bond with his players.

Has a decent record at spotting talent.

Seems very calm and honest. A decent guy.

Never seen him throw players under the bus. 

Has got shot of Jorginho.

Looks to be manoeuvring Aubameyang out the door.

Hasn't blinked to leave a recent big name, big money signing in Koulibaly out of the team for a much younger, lesser known player. 

Seems to be focusing on bring in younger talent.

Hasn't moaned about the unreal injury list.

Wanted to be part of the 'project' and work with the new owners.

Prepared to give him time to get his feet under the table and work with a full squad before making any final judgement.

 

i think thats on the money  but the fact that he is a nice guy and did ok at brighton, although they are even better since he left, doesn't mean you are a good coach of Chelsea.  I loved that Conte season, it was fantastic, it did make Victor Moses look like a champion. I also agree with the fact that he moaned and had a big falling out but he won several seasons in a row  in Italy.

The knock on Potter ultimately is that he doesn't have the track record. With players there is a market value and lots of competition and you might over or under pay but on average the market is fair. with managers I just think they get appointed to big clubs without the justification. Lampard should never have been appointed as chelsea manageer after one season when derby didn't even get promoted.

The club that finally got the manager right this season was Man U and they did it after a proper process with candidates being interviewed and re interviewed. Potter was just appointed without any consideration, at least publicly, of who might be good or bad.

Maybe it will work out, but i wish we would start scoring goals.

I genuinely thinking there is the possibility of a brief window for a changing of the guard. The scouse policy of not continually refreshing their aging squad is not starting to hurt them and the disrespect being shown to Klopp by the media may start to generate a bad atmosphere in their club.

I also detect errors in approach from Guardiola recently. The sales of Sterling, Jesus and more recently Cancelo appear to be driven on a personal basis rather then football. After all I rate Cancelo as one of the best in the world at whatever he does, which he has already shown in his first Bayern game. The purchase of Haaland indicates a move away from his previous style of football and Grealish also continues to look a poor fit with Guardiola's style. The KDB role and long term replacement doesn't seem to be apparent.

A definite shift seems apparent,  even if this is for a brief spell.

We have some of the brightest young talent around along with some of the most expensive players, and by association big game egos, to manage. Whilst Potter's history shows being able to work and improve lesser known players has he got the ability to also manage the bigger players and get big game results on a consistent basis, I'm not sure.

Both Klopp and Guardiola prove that you can hire big name coaches that will hang around if they are given the support and the backing. We need to find a coach that is tactically astute at winning big games, can set the team up to play attractive football with a goal threat and can develop a succession hierarchy within the team.

I know the ship has already sailed but.................... we've just let one go that could have delivered on this. Who else is there if its not to be Potter?

I am not being anti Potter here. His reams have never scored goals regularly and in order to win the big games you will inevitably be in a situation where you might only get three shots in a game and one has to go in. One shot on target against mid table dross is not a blueprint to work to.

1 minute ago, WhiteWall said:

I know the ship has already sailed but.................... we've just let one go that could have delivered on this. Who else is there if its not to be Potter?

Hansi Flick being at Stamford Bridge with a board member on Friday remains interesting to me. He's a top coach and I don't think I have ever seen a team press better than his Bayern-side did. We got the full experience of that when we faced them under Lampard.

My biggest problem with Potter is that I have no idea what he's trying to build. And I am not convinced he's got an idea either.
Last 4 games we've used 4 different formations. The tinkering is constant and there is no time whatsoever for any players to get comfortable in any system. He's throwing things at the wall and sees what sticks but nothing is sticking. And it's been that way since he got to the club with the constant changes and none of them works so i'd love for anyone to explain to me how we can be optimistic about that.

Also if we are trying to build for the future with a back four formation then there is nothing in Potters entire history to suggest he will build a great team with a back 4. To the extent his previous achievements have been impressive it's always been with a back 3/5. So everything is all backwards for me.

 

If you have defined patterns of play and a stable formation, then you can train everyone in the squad to play that way, which would then mitigate the impact of injuries. 

I can't see how Potter's scattergun approach could ever work for a club expecting to win every game ... the players are probably looking at each other thinking WTF ?

I wonder how Thiago Silva would get on as a player/manager ?