November 25, 20232 yr On 16/11/2023 at 10:41, dermott said: Gordon is substantially better under Eddie Howe, now an ongoing threat instead of an undisciplined ratbag albeit it with potential. He was frequently a bench player at Everton. Put it down to game time, experience and, most of all, coaching. Give Mudryk the same and we'll see. It isn't about time, experience or coaching He's marginally quicker but there's absolutely nothing involving a football anyone would ever argue Mudryk is better at than Gordon At Everton we saw flashes from Gordon and being in a better setup has allowed him to turn those into consistent performances but I think people need to be honest we haven't bought the cream of the crop. We aren't even seeing flashes. We've mostly paid the big money for D tier prospects. Which is why I find it hard to buy into the argument they need time, if we had a young attacker come from Cobham and be as bad as Mudryk in his first year they'd be shipped off to Wrexham. Edited November 25, 20232 yr by Whats_The_Mata?
November 25, 20232 yr Feels like Poch has lost faith in him, hasn't started him in the last couple of games which is disappointing since he started to gain confidence when he was given game time.
November 26, 20232 yr 8 hours ago, Frankie8Lampard said: Feels like Poch has lost faith in him, hasn't started him in the last couple of games which is disappointing since he started to gain confidence when he was given game time. He need to stop trying to be superstar and play with team in his mind. I thought sterling and Conor were trash but if I were poch, I would not bring Mudryk. Edited November 26, 20232 yr by Bob stark
November 26, 20232 yr 14 hours ago, Whats_The_Mata? said: It isn't about time, experience or coaching He's marginally quicker but there's absolutely nothing involving a football anyone would ever argue Mudryk is better at than Gordon At Everton we saw flashes from Gordon and being in a better setup has allowed him to turn those into consistent performances but I think people need to be honest we haven't bought the cream of the crop. We aren't even seeing flashes. We've mostly paid the big money for D tier prospects. Which is why I find it hard to buy into the argument they need time, if we had a young attacker come from Cobham and be as bad as Mudryk in his first year they'd be shipped off to Wrexham. We pretty much did this with Omari Hutchinson to Ipswich. Now we have so many generational talents I doubt we'll ever see if he is good enough for us. If we're going to wait 3 years for these types of players to blossom what happens to Hutchinson, Humphreys, Gilchrist, Moreira, Santos, Gabriel, Paez, Washington.
November 26, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, WhiteWall said: We pretty much did this with Omari Hutchinson to Ipswich. Now we have so many generational talents I doubt we'll ever see if he is good enough for us. If we're going to wait 3 years for these types of players to blossom what happens to Hutchinson, Humphreys, Gilchrist, Moreira, Santos, Gabriel, Paez, Washington. Generational talents? Who?
November 26, 20232 yr 12 minutes ago, Bob stark said: Generational talents? Who? Read the posts. That's what everyone was saying, that's why we paid what we have for them. Kendry Paez has all the makings of our greatest player ever apparently even though his nuts have barely dropped yet and he is playing football in a pub league
November 26, 20232 yr In the long list of players thats worth absolutely nowhere near as much as we paid for them. He's absolutely useless, Lampard said he doesn't know the game and he's right.
November 26, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, OriginalS said: In the long list of players thats worth absolutely nowhere near as much as we paid for them. He's absolutely useless, Lampard said he doesn't know the game and he's right. That comment was damning and BBC made it a headline too, pretty humiliating. Redknapp was told that in confidence by Frank, should have kept it to himself. Ability aside, I feel this is another case of a fragile soul who looks like a player who needs an arm around him constantly too, body language of Torres.
November 26, 20232 yr To be honest both Mudryk and Gordon were completely unproven, both would've been massive risks. Meanwhile City snap up Doku, who had the most dribbles completed in Europe's top 5 leagues last season, for just 55 million
November 26, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, Drogba1 said: To be honest both Mudryk and Gordon were completely unproven, both would've been massive risks. Meanwhile City snap up Doku, who had the most dribbles completed in Europe's top 5 leagues last season, for just 55 million Apparently we recruit by statistics.
November 26, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, axman2526 said: Apparently we recruit by statistics. What are Mudryk's? His G/A is non exsistent. His possession retention even at Shaktar wasn't great. His overall build up play and decision making isn't the greatest. Who exactly scouted this lad? I really don't want to believe it's only because Arsenal wanted him or because he scored against Real.
November 26, 20232 yr 20 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said: What are Mudryk's? His G/A is non exsistent. His possession retention even at Shaktar wasn't great. His overall build up play and decision making isn't the greatest. Who exactly scouted this lad? I really don't want to believe it's only because Arsenal wanted him or because he scored against Real. Probably the same idiot who loaned Santos to Forest.
November 26, 20232 yr 6 hours ago, Drogba1 said: To be honest both Mudryk and Gordon were completely unproven, both would've been massive risks. Meanwhile City snap up Doku, who had the most dribbles completed in Europe's top 5 leagues last season, for just 55 million Can’t believe we didn’t go for Doku. He looks great
November 26, 20232 yr Doku wouldn't come to us given there were much better options. It will get tougher in recruitment if we stuck in mid table, most clubs could match our salary, and we don't have European football to attract the top tier players
November 27, 20232 yr 10 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said: What are Mudryk's? His G/A is non exsistent. His possession retention even at Shaktar wasn't great. His overall build up play and decision making isn't the greatest. Who exactly scouted this lad? I really don't want to believe it's only because Arsenal wanted him or because he scored against Real. I think Mudryk upside is ridiculous. You can't teach his speed and agility and his skillset is already quite good but to get to top level, the path is quite steep because right now he play like an academy player and he is already 23. It is a boom or bust scenario and I don't want to pay 100m for such player
November 27, 20232 yr 19 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said: Who exactly scouted this lad? I really don't want to believe it's only because Arsenal wanted him or because he scored against Real. You should, since the new owners arrived this is exactly what we have been doing, we tried to sign quite a few of other team's transfer targets.
November 28, 20232 yr On 27/11/2023 at 06:10, JM7 said: Can’t believe we didn’t go for Doku. He looks great Hmm some people here does not think that Doku is good. It is just bizzare. It is similar to rice situation. There are many who thought he would struggle playing for "top" or possesion based team. 😵💫😵💫😵💫
November 28, 20232 yr Player A looks good in a settled team and club on the top. Player B looks poor in a unsettled team and club in the firing line.
November 29, 20232 yr On 25/11/2023 at 16:52, Whats_The_Mata? said: It isn't about time, experience or coaching He's marginally quicker but there's absolutely nothing involving a football anyone would ever argue Mudryk is better at than Gordon At Everton we saw flashes from Gordon and being in a better setup has allowed him to turn those into consistent performances but I think people need to be honest we haven't bought the cream of the crop. We aren't even seeing flashes. We've mostly paid the big money for D tier prospects. Which is why I find it hard to buy into the argument they need time, if we had a young attacker come from Cobham and be as bad as Mudryk in his first year they'd be shipped off to Wrexham. Gordon - saw glimpses at Everton (did we?) and a better team is reaping the rewards of giving him game time. Broja - impressive for Southampton but shouldn't be on the pitch for Chelsea and should be sold in January after contributing a goal every 72 minutes for Chelsea this season.
November 30, 20232 yr On 29/11/2023 at 09:23, RIP Mourinho said: Gordon - saw glimpses at Everton (did we?) and a better team is reaping the rewards of giving him game time. Broja - impressive for Southampton but shouldn't be on the pitch for Chelsea and should be sold in January after contributing a goal every 72 minutes for Chelsea this season. He wasn't very good at Southampton he was on a couple month goal drought and Hassenhuttle criticised him a lot during the 2nd half of the season. He certainly didn't show anything to suggest he was Chelsea standard and no one would have wanted to sign him if he wasn't our player. 1 goal from a Fulham defender passing it to him this season doesn't change that, Broja like Mudryk, Madueke and a few others have a lot to prove to show they can even be squad players for us and obviously 1 or 2 need to be replaced in January with actual quality. We're supposed to be an actual football club not a charity for hopeful youth.
November 30, 20232 yr 16 minutes ago, Whats_The_Mata? said: He wasn't very good at Southampton he was on a couple month goal drought and Hassenhuttle criticised him a lot during the 2nd half of the season. He certainly didn't show anything to suggest he was Chelsea standard and no one would have wanted to sign him if he wasn't our player. 1 goal from a Fulham defender passing it to him this season doesn't change that, Broja like Mudryk, Madueke and a few others have a lot to prove to show they can even be squad players for us and obviously 1 or 2 need to be replaced in January with actual quality. We're supposed to be an actual football club not a charity for hopeful youth. Broja at Southampton was much better than Gordon was at Everton. I'm merely pointing out your hypocrisy. Had we signed Gordon under Lamps when we were linked i would put my money on you'd be on here now moaning saying we should have signed Mudryk instead of letting him go Arsenal.
November 30, 20232 yr 33 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said: Broja at Southampton was much better than Gordon was at Everton. I'm merely pointing out your hypocrisy. Had we signed Gordon under Lamps when we were linked i would put my money on you'd be on here now moaning saying we should have signed Mudryk instead of letting him go Arsenal. Your first paragraph is extremely bias. There's a reason Gordon was linked with us, Tottenham and Newcastle and no decent side has ever considered Broja. Your second is just hilarious because no one would be complaining about us not signing Mudryk. 99% of people had never even watched him play before he signed for us. I couldn't comment much on Mudryk at the time as i hadn't seen him play enough to have an opinion on him but did say I'd much rather have Trossard for 1/3rd of the price. Turns out Trossard is 3x the player as well.
November 30, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, Whats_The_Mata? said: Your first paragraph is extremely bias. There's a reason Gordon was linked with us, Tottenham and Newcastle and no decent side has ever considered Broja. Your second is just hilarious because no one would be complaining about us not signing Mudryk. 99% of people had never even watched him play before he signed for us. I couldn't comment much on Mudryk at the time as i hadn't seen him play enough to have an opinion on him but did say I'd much rather have Trossard for 1/3rd of the price. Turns out Trossard is 3x the player as well. Absolutely no bias. Southampton, West Ham, Real Madrid, Newcastle, Everton and AC Milan all been linked with Broja in 2022. You've missed the point completely. Had we signed Gordon and was still sat mid table, while Arsenal had signed Mudryk and were sat top, fans would have been moaning.
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